Bruins/Habs 2009 Playoffs: Game 4
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Historically, the numbers say there’s a 1.3% chance the Canadiens come back and win this series.
What are the chances they even win one game?
Is this the last time we see certain players? Long time Habs, long gone?
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- Senet1 : Mst's I think if they can sign Markov to an extension then they can make move on some of the other defenceman before they become UFA. Hammer is a prime example and likewise so is Gil. Somehow I feel that there is something wrong with a one year contract like Mara's where he can be paid for not playing due to injury and then the team pays his bills and he can leave and go UFA without making up the salary. To me a contract should force a player to play a minimum of 50 games or healthy scatches
- Senet1 : Jagr is a strange player, lots of talent but he has lost his heart and all it is about is money. Edmonton would be better off using the money elsewhere.
- goalie : Rumor has it that the Oilers will be signing Jaromir Jagr to a very $$$$ 3 year contract. Makes sense because Jagr doesn't really want to play on a team that is a contender....so Oilers are a good possibility.
- goalie : I agree with Senet. Plex has been our best player this year. He hasn't been hurt for any long periods and he has done the job. He deserves to be our highest paid player. I sure hope that Markov rebounds next year. I find the Russian players very hard to read as to how they like it on a team and what their plans are going to be.
- Senet1 : To me it is hard not to pay Plex at least Cammy's money. He won't score as many goals but game in and game out Plex has been there and really, he has stayed healthy????
- Mats Naslund : Kesler $5m for 6 years.. 1 point seperates him and Plex in the standings.. Pretty good benchmark?
- Mats Naslund : I guess La presse is reporting that PG is talking extension with Markov's people.
- Mats Naslund : Boston and NY did us a huge solid last night by blowing it. 1 point out of 5th with 11 games to go.
- Mats Naslund : Might be a little sneaky, but what if we made Markov the captain - he would have a hard time leaving as a UFA. Hammrlik's $$ is Markov's in a year. We'll have the $$ to sign him and another UFA. I think I also like BUF in the first round although Miller scares the bajezus out of me. NJ after that.
- Senet1 : may lose him to UFA?? We make up the cap space with Laraque's salary, and the trade of one of are large defenceman salaries.
- Senet1 : There are four contracts that are a must for our GM needs to get done. Plek we need to give him a raise say $5.5M Our two goalies each in the neighbourhood $3M but perhaps the more important contract is Markov's he is not a UFA this year but if we agreed to renegoitate his contract a year earlier for say a raise to $6M next year and $7M for two more years then we may be able to get hims signed for at least 3 or 4 more years. If we let his contract expire and he become a UFA in 2011 then we may
- Senet1 : In fact I knew that I had to play washington, I would rather take them out in the first round.
- Senet1 : Well the one thing that does not matter is our record against any of these teams during the season. This is a much different team than the one we saw play during the majority of the season. Secondly, if I was going to pick a team to play it would be one with weaker goaltending. Right now if I had to pick it would either be Pittsburg or NJ although Washington can be had if Theodore does not play above his head. I believe that any team that can score 4 goals a game has a chance to beat Washing
- goalie : NJ would be my second choice followed by Pens OR Caps - don't think it much matters. No easy pickings Habs!
- goalie : Well the good news is that we're playing much better now than at times during the year. The Habs MUST play their bestagainst ANY of these teams to have a chance. We lost three staraight to the Pens, the Caps scare me because they have talent, NJ have improved greatly but we have played well vs them. I think we only beat Buf once but all but one game was very close. I guess I'd take my chances vs ther Sabres as I think our style matches up well against them.If we could beat Miller we could win.
- Mats Naslund : Unless we see a miracle, MON will be a 5-8 seed. So who between WAS, PIT, BUF, or NJ do you want in the 1st round?
- Mats Naslund : Metro is 35. I cant see them giving more than 1yr. He definitely deserves a spot next year though.
- Avatar37 : Senet - I agree, Metropolit is impressive and Metro and Moen always seem to come up clutch. I really hope they sign him to a 3-4 year deal.
- goalie : Isn't it a lot more interesting and fun when our team is playing well and on a run!
- Senet1 : So we have a good third line the fourth line is playing responsible hockey and the first line is generating offense as well as controling the play. Plek is playing hard and still managing to get a goal here and there so if Cammy can get back maybe we have four solid lines. Right now Martin is rolling the four lines well and I think we are tiring out the other teams.
- Senet1 : I also am impressed with our fourth line Metro, Lapierre and Darche. They are playing some productive minutes killing time and tieing up the other team in their zone.
- Senet1 : This line sort of reminds me of the Gainey line, they always scored the big goals in tight games. Believe it or not when the game was tied 1-1 I thought is is about time our third line got a goal and a few minutes later they did. It is become a regular thing this line.
- rocky : Moore brings great puck possession in the offensive zone and Segie can finish plays. Nice to watch, they are smoking third lines on other teams right now.
- Senet1 : I agree his brother is working out really well with Moore and Moan. They have offensive abilities and at the same time are very responsible defensively.
- rocky : He has talent you know, but just no intensity or desire for hockey at this stage. He should watch his brother right now and do his best to emulate him.
- rocky : That would s*ck. They should sit his ass.
- Senet1 : Yea I agree, because if not either Pyatt or Darche will be sent back down maybe both?
- goalie : I must say I'm impressed with ther attitude , effort and quality of play the Habs are exhibiting. I didn't think they'd pull it off this year. A playoff spot is certainly there for the taking. WAY TO GO BOYS and KEEP IT UP. Thius is a whole lot better team for the fans to be cheering on also!!!
- rocky : He has no DESIRE out there and that is such a killer when every other guy out there is really playing hard as hell.
- rocky : In my mind we would lose nothing whatsoever by sitting him and giving a rookie a shot. Especially when Cammalari returns.
- Senet1 : yea really, just when his brother starts to play well he disappears completely. Is he playing injured, if so he should sit out and get well.
- rocky : Oh my god, if you are looking for negatives right now that is the place to start. He is not even trying to skate. Did you even notice him other than his badly timed penalties?
- Senet1 : I bet Hamilton could beat them anyway.
- rocky : Exactly senet, the leafs live to put out players when they are in their predictable non-playoff position. I can almost gaurantee they do it again.
- Senet1 : Something is going on in AK46's head. He has played badly before but right now his head is not even in the game?
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April 22, 2009 pm30 1:14 pm
Not great chances for tonight. All season long we’ve seen that Boston is able to withstand whatever pressure the Canadiens attempt to put on and respond with timely goals. That doesn’t bode well for this evening. We’ve seen ll kinds of fight, but it seems to be in the books.
I would like to add a little dose of reality for the idea that Montreal is going to somehow change drastically for next season. Given cap uncertainty, and the lack of genuine FAs at the positions the Canadiens need help with, Montreal is FAR more likely to spend the summer re-signing than chasing new targets. We have all been dragged through the Lecavalier mud all season long, so I for one will believe it when I see it. If you look at the list of FA centres, there are very few available names that could make an impact. See for yourselves http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2009-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents-by-position/. Now that Johan Franzen is off of the list, I would argue that Koivu is the best remaining option at the position. Considering that, a move away from Lang and Plex would also be sideways moves. Unless Gainey decides to move already signed assets to shake up his roster (which is unlikely since those who are under contract are relatively cheap options), then we will see a similar squad next year.
On wing there might be a few more options, but given how many teams will be chasing o few players, it is very difficult to chase down impact players. The Habs success has come in developing young players from within the system who can grow into the superstars of the league. At least that was the plan until this season. Terrible seasons from many young players combined with a host of injury problems and unrealistic expectations have sunk this year’s squad. While I would love to see the Canadiens land the type of player who could lead us to the top of the league, it i crucial that the young players be given the opportunity to take the reigns of this team. Boston is a perfect example of how things can change quickly in the NHL, if we’ve already forgotten our own transformation last season.
April 22, 2009 pm30 7:07 pm
Demers said tonight that some of the players on the Habs have an issue with Price’s attitude.
April 22, 2009 pm30 11:09 pm
One final parting note…
I just watched highlights which included the Bruins’ commentators and I can honestly say that I now understand your pain, MN. They are without a doubt the most ridiculous, classless, disrespectful sports commentators I’ve ever listened to in all my life, in any sport. It’s no wonder that so many Bruins fans adopt the personalties of disgruntled children given the poison that pours into their ears during Bruins telecasts. It’s really rather pathetic.
April 23, 2009 pm30 2:37 am
Worst. Season. Ever.
April 23, 2009 pm30 7:27 pm
Did anyone else notice that all the goals scored against Price were stick side half way up. I think all Bruin players know it and thats where they were shooting. What the hell was wrong with going with Halak for the last game.
April 24, 2009 pm30 10:16 am
Come on, have you actually watched a game of the Bruins from theior commentators? Do you know who the commentators are? They are Jack Edwards and Andy Brickley. THE SAME TO GUYS WHO CALL ALL NHL GAMES FOR .VS channel. Andy B played for the B’s in the 80s and 90s, including th 92 sweep team.
The Radio, I agree that Dave Gosher is awful, but his color guy is Bob Beers, another Bruin player from the 80s.
They don’t spout ****. You’re just angry you lost and they pointed out Hab weaknesses, which there were, or you wouldn’t have lost. Sure they ripped apart Komecerik for this cheap shot at the end of Game 4, but ofcourse you didn’t see them do the same on Lucic in Game 2 because you weren’t watching then. A sound bite is no way to judge anyone.
April 24, 2009 pm30 10:17 am
If you want to listen to the B’s on the radio, 1030 on the AM dial or the internet, Try listening for 1 period and then give me an honest response.
April 24, 2009 pm30 10:21 am
Yes, 1030 AM WBZ does make it to Montreal in the night time. I’ve listened to games from there, and as far west as Chicago in the night time.
bostonbruins.com audio feed in WBZ.
April 26, 2009 pm30 8:41 pm
I had a leafs fan and a Bruins fan rubbing it in the other day after we went out four straight. The only thing I could say is over my life time I have watched my habs win the cup 18 times, how many times have you watched your team win? We had a set back this year to our long ranch plan, but nevertheless our plan is still in place. I truely believe that when the league changed the rules that Management felt that the more physical teams would be the ones penalized the most but instead of making the game easier for the small player to compete they started with the phantum penalty calls that most of us see as minor touching of the opponent with your stick or body. I think this is where our management did not foresee just how this game would be called especially come playoff time. The game is still a big mans game and that is the direction we have to take our team. The small skilled buy can still play but he needs to have the more physical guys on the team to support him and he cannot be a *****.
April 26, 2009 pm30 8:50 pm
Final, thought, I wonder how well Boston would have done without Chara and Wideman not on defense and Savard and Bergeron missing up front.
Lets face it, and I not saying we would have won the series, but I bet it would not have been 4-0. If we had Lang, Tanguay, Markov and Schneider in the lineup for the entire series, I think we would still be playing.
Signing off for a while but will stay in touch.
April 26, 2009 pm30 8:56 pm
Buffalo come a close second. It is like a Bud Linch years gone by (Detroit) makeover.
It is one thing to be partial towards your team, but really lets try to see the game for what it really is.
April 27, 2009 pm30 1:17 am
Once again ray, it would be alot easier to take you seriously if you knew where the discussion of Brickley and Edwards came from. You can read back through many of the posts for this season, but you’d rather jump to conclusions and assume its about an isolated occasion. I’ve said many times that these two are capable of calling a good game. I’ve seen them both do games for other teams. Brickley does a great job with the Beanpot etc. Unfortunately they call Bruins games which makes for terrible hockey coverage because they are fans of the team. Yes I’m a Canadiens fan, but I watch all NHL teams. That means every game I watched in which the Bruins played I saw the NESN coverage. These two fanboys call every game from the perspective of the Bruins fan (which is fine if you want to hear your own garbage), but terrible if you prefer to have an announcer describe reality unfolding infront of him. I can’t stand hearing a guy talk about refs and all of the missed calls, and opposing teams in a derogatory fashion. Its not just about the Habs-Bruins – its every game, and unfortunately for me I will be proven right anytime I want to watch the bruins because of the NHL’s blackout restrictions that stop those of us in the Bruins market from receiving the feeds from CBC and elsewhere.
Again, these two are terrible. I always thought hearing Joe Bowen was painful, but these guys take the cake. The reason is that they call the games for a team they love. The best in the business give up allegiances and just call the game because they love it. I enjoy Brickley’s analysis when the Bruins aren’t involved..
April 27, 2009 pm30 5:38 am
Well, I was going to say something about extremely biased broadcasting, but there you have it. The same could be said for Paul Steigerwald in Pittsburgh, incidentally – a yinzer fanboy through and through. Unbearable to listen to.
As to the assumption that I’m angry over the Habs’ swift playoff exit, it’s an inaccurate one. All things considered, I, like many Habs fans, fully expected the Habs to lose efficiently. As has been stated, they were without Lang (leading goal scorer with 18 prior to his injury near mid-season), Tanguay (whose presence provided the Habs one of the best first lines in hockey over the final stretch), Markov (second only to Kovalev in team scoring) and Schneider (powerplay quarterback). But injuries aside, this team had been downright terrible for the entire second half of the season. So not much anger at all from my end. By the time the playoffs rolled around, I was watching with a sense of amusement. In fact, I was of the opinion that the Habs didn’t deserve to be in the playoffs at all this season.
Anyway, for the record, I am familiar with Brickley and Edwards and I’ve never liked the coverage on versus. It’s stale. And when the Bruins are involved, it’s biased. So I don’t watch.
But back to my original point…
‘… Bruins handed ‘em a broom for their 100th birthday…’ and ‘… melt the ice, scrape off the logo and turn out the lights on your way out…’ aren’t pointing out the Habs’ weaknesses. No, that’d be nothing more than a potent mix of homerism and sour grapes, which is no surprise given the fact that the Bruins have, well, let’s be completely honest here, been the Habs’ b*tch throughout most of their history.
Horrid broadcasting.
Having said all that, good for the Bruins. They have to win sometimes. Otherwise it’s not much of a rivalry at all, is it?
April 27, 2009 pm30 5:41 am
I must commend you though, Ray. This was a big step up from the usual ‘The Price was wrong’ and ‘I wonder when the cheapshots will start’ rubbish which you spewed redundantly on this blog throughout the four game series. Well done!
April 27, 2009 pm30 11:06 am
My personal favorite came at the expense of Kovalev. Edwards asked redundantly, (I’m paraphrasing here) “Where has Kovalev gone? Cam Neeley would never have been this invisible in a playoff game” – Kovalev scored less than 5 seconds after the comment. Neeley never won a cup – Kovalev has, not to mention that Kovalev has more playoff points and 3 points in 4 games this time around.
I also loved earlier in the season how angry they got about Alex Henry fighting with Thornton. They said that Henry was called up for one purpose and wouldn’t take another shift. They bashed him for doing the same thing that makes Thornton his money, and never mentioned the fact that Henry played a regular shift through the game and ended up with 10 minutes ice time. They said some really insulting things about him. Just another example of the pointless, unprofessional drivel that comes from these guys when they call a game. You would never hear Jim Hughson or Doc Emerick go after a player personally like that. That being said, when they call games without the Bruins, they don’t go to that level.
April 28, 2009 pm30 2:28 am
Another gem. Ironically, Cam Neeley missed quite a few post-season games as a result of, ironically, a devastating hit by now Bruin Mark Recchi in the 1991 playoffs. I’ll never forget it. Neeley tried to take a cheap shot at Lemieux after the whistle and Recchi came barreling in like a freight train from the blue line and thoroughly planted him in Neverland. The crowd fell silent as they looked on in shock. Not a single boo, just the dead quiet of humbled masses. A Bruin’s hat fell somewhere in the upper bowl and echoed throughout the Garden as it hit the floor. Cartoon Penguins circled Neeley’s shrunken head as he came to and was helped off the ice and out of the series, followed shortly thereafter by the rest of his teammates.
That was when men not only played this game but called it. There was no penalty on the play.
April 29, 2009 pm30 3:52 pm
I am a true fan of the game, and not just a troll here to wreak havoc. I have been staying up until 1 am watching the west coast games, (driving my wife nuts), and played the game for years.. My 7 year old middle DAUGHTER plays hockey.. (Sorry, 3 girls, no boys). I’m here because I respect the Canadiens.. Can’t say the same for either Florida team, or even the Coyotes, (Even with Gretzky). Since the sold out and left Winnipeg.. My all time favorite games to watch when I was younger were the Quebec Nordiques v. Bruins.. The Stasneys V. Bourque was always fun…
May 9, 2009 pm30 4:28 pm
I, too, am a true fan of the game. Just not the NHL version, or should I say perversion, of it.
May 9, 2009 pm30 8:36 pm
“Well, Mr. NHL Corporation Marketing Division Manager, everything has gone to plan. We’ve got Crosby and Ovechkin deadlocked in a thrilling two-two tie in the Easter Conference Semi-Final series. And further… just a sec… Wow, I’ve just received word, Sir, that Washington has just scored to even Game Five at one goal apiece, and in the second period no less. Yes, very exciting indeed, Sir. A real nail biter. What’s that? Oh, yes, they played the police siren that you love after the goal. And you’ll also be very pleased to know that Mr. Johnson is in top form tonight. His circus announcing lessons have really paid off. He really compliments the motif we’re shooting for. What’s that? Oh, no I don’t actually have the game on, Sir–not really all that interested in watching myself–but my top guys are on it and reporting back to me on every minute of our conversation here, so we’re good. We’re better than good, we’re gold, Sir. Just like this series. Pure gold. And… Sorry, Sir? Oh, yes, of course. We’ve got big plans for the Anaheim-Detroit series. What an underdog story we’ve got in the makes there. I can only imagine how the fans will enjoy that one, Sir, with Anaheim eventually pushing Detroit to seven games. Oh, yes, it’s covered, so no worries, big guy. The officials know the deal. We’re good. Did I say we’re good? I meant we’re gold.”
May 31, 2009 pm30 6:42 pm
As I’ve said before, the final four teams ij contention for teh Cup had one thing in common… they fought through adversity and didn’t quit. Now that it’s down to the Pens and Wings a few things stand out. 1. excellent goaltending by both Fleury and Osgood. 2. Both teams’ ’superstars’ are playing up to ther billing. 3. Did you see how the Pens sucked it up and skated, hit and played with lots of grit IN DETROIT. That takes guts… which both of these teams have an abundance of. 4. Both teams are dedicate to playing a system that their coach(es) have put in place. Detroit is by far the best passng team in the league adn the Pens are also moving the puck very well which gets the team out of trouble and turns the play around quickly and efficiently.
Habs management… please take note!!!