Game 39: Habs/Canes
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Just a quick set up for tonight’s game against the Hurricanes. Benoit Pouliot is believed to be making his first start with the big club and will skate with Sergei and Gomez in a “score or you’re out when Gionta comes back” with the younger Kostitsyn. I personally don’t care who it is, but someone on that line needs to kick it into second gear.
The Hurricanes su@k. Lets see if Montreal can take advantage of that. The fear is that we also su@k. A win would go a long way to disproving that hypothesis.
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- Senet1 : I agree, Carey needs to get some starts if they leave him out much longer he will be ineffective in the Playoffs, I really thought it was time to play him against TO but coach chose otherwise. Halak is not used to playing so many games in a row, whereas North Am. goalies are.
- goalie : Though I have supported Halak a lot this year, the decision was to keep both goalies. So, I really hope that Carey too is playing well going into the playoffs, that we make the playoffs and both goalies are at the top of their game. Put Carey in for the next few games and see how he plays!
- Senet1 : bigger that he covers more of the net. Being bigger price tends to loose the puck in his feet, most tall goalies have that problem. But is is one that more experience helps them improve on that weakness. With two more years of development Price is still the goalie of the future, if not the present.
- Senet1 : Well the more HALAK plays the more other teams will find his weaknesses and if he does not improve on those weakness he will not be as affective in a long run. I have notived that last three games that the goals scored on him many of the shooters are going high on him. Being a smaller goalie he is more vulnerable. Don't be surprised if Halak only onl makes it part way through a playoff series and then Price will be back in net. Price weakness is also high shots but he is so much bigger that h
- Senet1 : I have to admit I am over joyed at no ndgatives coming out of this game. One thing I could not figure out, when Gomez and Gionta saw AK46 deek the TO goalie and go 5 hole why they didn't try the same thing is beyond me. That is obviously his weakness. Goalie I am concerned about that too , only good part about it there aRE NO SHOOTOUTS IN THE PLAYOFFS.
- goalie : I am more than a little concerned that the Lafs exposed Halak's inability to stop a player who dekes to Halak's glove hand side. He played those dekes very poorly.
- rocky : The leafs played a strong game and have some pretty deadly shootout threats. We did not lose anyone to injury and that game could have went either way. Now how is that for a positive spin on things eh?
- rocky : I hate to admit this, but I think Andrei Kostitsyn is poised to break his slump. He still skates like a turd, but I just have a feeling. If we get out of this game with no major injuries to key players I will be happy win or lose.
- Senet1 : Mst's I think if they can sign Markov to an extension then they can make move on some of the other defenceman before they become UFA. Hammer is a prime example and likewise so is Gil. Somehow I feel that there is something wrong with a one year contract like Mara's where he can be paid for not playing due to injury and then the team pays his bills and he can leave and go UFA without making up the salary. To me a contract should force a player to play a minimum of 50 games or healthy scatches
- Senet1 : Jagr is a strange player, lots of talent but he has lost his heart and all it is about is money. Edmonton would be better off using the money elsewhere.
- goalie : Rumor has it that the Oilers will be signing Jaromir Jagr to a very $$$$ 3 year contract. Makes sense because Jagr doesn't really want to play on a team that is a contender....so Oilers are a good possibility.
- goalie : I agree with Senet. Plex has been our best player this year. He hasn't been hurt for any long periods and he has done the job. He deserves to be our highest paid player. I sure hope that Markov rebounds next year. I find the Russian players very hard to read as to how they like it on a team and what their plans are going to be.
- Senet1 : To me it is hard not to pay Plex at least Cammy's money. He won't score as many goals but game in and game out Plex has been there and really, he has stayed healthy????
- Mats Naslund : Kesler $5m for 6 years.. 1 point seperates him and Plex in the standings.. Pretty good benchmark?
- Mats Naslund : I guess La presse is reporting that PG is talking extension with Markov's people.
- Mats Naslund : Boston and NY did us a huge solid last night by blowing it. 1 point out of 5th with 11 games to go.
- Mats Naslund : Might be a little sneaky, but what if we made Markov the captain - he would have a hard time leaving as a UFA. Hammrlik's $$ is Markov's in a year. We'll have the $$ to sign him and another UFA. I think I also like BUF in the first round although Miller scares the bajezus out of me. NJ after that.
- Senet1 : may lose him to UFA?? We make up the cap space with Laraque's salary, and the trade of one of are large defenceman salaries.
- Senet1 : There are four contracts that are a must for our GM needs to get done. Plek we need to give him a raise say $5.5M Our two goalies each in the neighbourhood $3M but perhaps the more important contract is Markov's he is not a UFA this year but if we agreed to renegoitate his contract a year earlier for say a raise to $6M next year and $7M for two more years then we may be able to get hims signed for at least 3 or 4 more years. If we let his contract expire and he become a UFA in 2011 then we may
- Senet1 : In fact I knew that I had to play washington, I would rather take them out in the first round.
- Senet1 : Well the one thing that does not matter is our record against any of these teams during the season. This is a much different team than the one we saw play during the majority of the season. Secondly, if I was going to pick a team to play it would be one with weaker goaltending. Right now if I had to pick it would either be Pittsburg or NJ although Washington can be had if Theodore does not play above his head. I believe that any team that can score 4 goals a game has a chance to beat Washing
- goalie : NJ would be my second choice followed by Pens OR Caps - don't think it much matters. No easy pickings Habs!
- goalie : Well the good news is that we're playing much better now than at times during the year. The Habs MUST play their bestagainst ANY of these teams to have a chance. We lost three staraight to the Pens, the Caps scare me because they have talent, NJ have improved greatly but we have played well vs them. I think we only beat Buf once but all but one game was very close. I guess I'd take my chances vs ther Sabres as I think our style matches up well against them.If we could beat Miller we could win.
- Mats Naslund : Unless we see a miracle, MON will be a 5-8 seed. So who between WAS, PIT, BUF, or NJ do you want in the 1st round?
- Mats Naslund : Metro is 35. I cant see them giving more than 1yr. He definitely deserves a spot next year though.
- Avatar37 : Senet - I agree, Metropolit is impressive and Metro and Moen always seem to come up clutch. I really hope they sign him to a 3-4 year deal.
- goalie : Isn't it a lot more interesting and fun when our team is playing well and on a run!
- Senet1 : So we have a good third line the fourth line is playing responsible hockey and the first line is generating offense as well as controling the play. Plek is playing hard and still managing to get a goal here and there so if Cammy can get back maybe we have four solid lines. Right now Martin is rolling the four lines well and I think we are tiring out the other teams.
- Senet1 : I also am impressed with our fourth line Metro, Lapierre and Darche. They are playing some productive minutes killing time and tieing up the other team in their zone.
- Senet1 : This line sort of reminds me of the Gainey line, they always scored the big goals in tight games. Believe it or not when the game was tied 1-1 I thought is is about time our third line got a goal and a few minutes later they did. It is become a regular thing this line.
- rocky : Moore brings great puck possession in the offensive zone and Segie can finish plays. Nice to watch, they are smoking third lines on other teams right now.
- Senet1 : I agree his brother is working out really well with Moore and Moan. They have offensive abilities and at the same time are very responsible defensively.
- rocky : He has talent you know, but just no intensity or desire for hockey at this stage. He should watch his brother right now and do his best to emulate him.
- rocky : That would s*ck. They should sit his ass.
- Senet1 : Yea I agree, because if not either Pyatt or Darche will be sent back down maybe both?
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December 24, 2009 pm31 12:37 am
Another win could prove Martin’s rope a dope style is working???????
Most guys on this blog probably are not old enough to remember the last good Montreal team that played that style with success.
I am not sold yet but I guess we will see against a stronger opponent. But then again two weeks ago we said that too when we took 4 of 6 points against Washington and Detroit.
December 24, 2009 pm31 12:42 am
Mats I agree that someone on that line has got to start to put the puck in the net, one #1 line has shifted to our #2 or 3 line with the movement of Cammy over to Plex’s line. It also seems to have ignited AK46. So now if we get Gionta back and get that other line going. Hey things might be looking up yet????????
December 24, 2009 pm31 10:52 am
Hey Senet1, its getting harder and harder to disagree with you about the rope-a-dope style. IN the end its about finding a way to win – not looking good while you’re doing it. While I still think the unreasonably unbalanced shot totals are a symptom of systemic and personnel deficiencies, our goaltending has been so far from average that we’ve been able to make due. I think last night may have been an anomaly caused by the 4 first period goals. There was no way we were going to keep the foot on the gas with a 3 goal lead. Many people talk about how lucky we are to win these types of games, but noone punishes the the New Jersey Devils for relying on Brodeur in years past – and our goaltenders have been our best defenders on most nights.
Another issue that I’ve had my eyes on in the past 10 games is the fact that many teams below us in the standings have games in hand – which can be a standings killer if those teams split 3 point games with each other. With the win last night Montreal has vaulted themselves in the standings so that they are in 9th place through 39 games. No team below them can catch them through 39 games even if they were all to win their remaining games. That doesn’t mean much right now, but the Habs are in a much better position than they were in 3 games ago.
As for a trade of Halak. A week ago Bob Gainey very casually mentioned in the media that he would accomodate Jaroslav Halak in dealing him to a team where he would have an opportunity to play. Jaro has considerably helped the Canadiens here since. I said early on in the season that I would like to see a 2-headed monster approach with Carey and Jaro so I am very comfortable with Gainey making no move – and then maybe dealing at the deadline. As Jaro continues his play, might Gainey consider maximizing his return by trading Carey instead? A few weeks ago teams balked at sending a top 6 forward in return. I personally think the Habs HAVE to get at LEAST a solid 50 point top 6 forward back (or prospect close enough to be of value) or a no-brainer top 4 defenseman. We have plenty of organizational depth at goalie – and if Gainey is willing to gamble, Price could potentially land us an even bigger name. The deadline is the time that I’m looking at for this to happen. One thing is for certain – we can’t afford to let either one of these goaltenders walk for nothing – a trade is necessary.
Happy Holidays everyone – I hope that the days off are good for you and your families. Montreal – Toronto on Boxing Day should be fantastic, and of course the World Juniors will be a great chance to see some of the prospects that may be available in next year’s draft.
December 24, 2009 pm31 8:12 pm
Mat’s I am not sold on the rope a dope style either, my only point is that 40+ shots sometimes is not a bad thing as long as the quality of chances are from outside and our defence continues to clear the rebounds. I would like to see more pressure in the other teams zone especially from our top two lines. Looking forward to Gionta coming back to give the Gomez line some jump.
I agree though that we will not be able to sign both goalies this summer so trading one is a must, you bring up an interesting thought about trading Price for a better player than Halak will bring. Personally, my though is this, I think both goalies are fairly equal right now, I would still give the edge to Price in the long run though because we have to ask ourselves this question, which one will be the better goalie as they mature. Which one may jump to the KHL 5 or 6 years from now. Which one puts the fans in the stands. My money is on Price to be the Habs goalie for the next 10 years. That is how I see it anyway.
December 29, 2009 pm31 8:17 pm
Halak will not be back in Montreal next year. Gainey has gambled on Price as the future, and you will not see a trade involving Price, nor do I believe you should. As a Habs fan patiently waiting for a contending team, Price is a solid piece to that puzzle, or at least, so I believe. Yes, Halak is good now, however, Price is younger and has more potential, IMO. I think trading Price would be very short sighted. When we trade Halak, I also believe that we are not in need of more forwards, we need a top 4 D-man, and I’m sure there’s a team out there that might be willing to trade one, even if it means bundling Halak with one of our other d-men, like Gill, Mara, Hamrlk, Spacek, and/or trade picks. My preference would be Gill, if we can find another team willing to take him. If you watch game closely, watch when the other team scores, usually #75 is somewhere around. I like O’Byrne, he has come a really long way since last year, and is developing into a viable NHL d-man. From the little I saw of Belle, I like him too and think he’s ready and can step in and help this club.
December 30, 2009 pm31 10:58 am
Avatar37, I agree that O’Byrne and Belle are two defensemen that should be given more time with the big club. Belle didn’t really get too much of an audition early on, and I was really impressed with the physicality that he brought to the team. He’s a solid, big guy who isn’t shy about using his muscle to his advantage, but best of all he can skate like the wind (he’s the anti-gill!). He’s been fairly solid defensively in Hamilton this year (+ player), although his +2 isn’t as impressive as PK’s +17. For my money he is worth the tiny gamble as Montreal could surely use a young physical defenseman to compliment Markov, Gorges and Spacek next season (Hamrlik is a FA). If both O’B and Belle could step in we would have a fairly good mix of physical force and skill.
As for trading Price or Halak it all comes down to a coin flip in my opinion. Technically Gainey could sign them both to offer sheets (as RFAs) and gamble that he won’t lose one. If he did, the Canadiens would be compensated with a draft pick(s, the quality of which would depend on the production of the goalies, which this year would be a lot. If you look at Phil Kessel as an example – it was a first, second and a third round pick. I’m not saying Jaro or Carey would get exactly the same haul, but they would both garner high draft picks. As for the coin flip – its hard to argue that Price is the hands down future of the organization with the way that Jaro has played recently. I guess we’ll see tonight how Carey responds to a long absence, but Montreal definitely has 2 #1’s going forward. My question is: can you imagine what numbers these two would put up if they had an adequate defense in front of them? Wow.