Andrei Markov signs 4 year $23 Million Deal
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Andrei Markov has signed a 4 year contract that will pay him $23 Million.
First thoughts…..Big Bucks.
Markov has grown into an elite player in the NHL and without doubt the Canadiens best defenseman. Elite defenseman have big price tags. Getting Markov inked was the most important priority the Habs faced this off-season.
Imagine a Habs defense without Markov and it’s not a pretty thought…
Is $23 Million too much for Guy Carbonneau’s “General”? Time will tell.
The next logical thought is that there is little or no money available to sign Sheldon Souray. Bob Gainey may already know that Sheldon Souray is a goner. He’s long been rumored to be on the way out and if it wasn’t already decided, the $23 million dollars less to spend might seal it.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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May 28, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Joshtm is a hack.
May 28, 2007 at 7:11 pm
OUr winning percentage was horrific without this stud on defence so signing him was a must. 5.75 is alot however he would have gotten 7 on the open market. WE would have had to spend at least 6 to get timonen so keeping Markov is the best move. Good job Gainey. Just dont sign Briere to 7 million please.
May 28, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Yeah, we had this sign this guy. I think 5.75 million is a lot of money, but how much would this guy have cost elsewhere ?
With the same money, could we have get better guys ? Don’t think so, it would have cost more money to get something like him, or two other guy less good. So we needed him. If we lost him, we would have go no more defense at all, I can only think of Komisarek, who is getting better and better and markov is helping him in that way.
But I still believe we could have signed him for a bit less, like 5.25. But that’s Gainey budget, not sure it’s good but what can I say. I still think he gave too much money to Koivu and Kovalev (I am not talking about samsonov here).
Go Habs Go !
May 28, 2007 at 7:56 pm
You have to admit, Markov has what it takes, but what everyone forgets is Hockey is a team sport. Unless you have constant level of defense, having a great defenseman on one line for only part of the game means what, some 40 or 45 minutes of watching Dandenault and Bouillon basically destroy the defense, and basically ruin the confidence of up and coming rookies? It’s like having one really nice tire on the car and using cheapies for the rest….guess what, its gonna ruin your ride and your engine….and it looks weird.
May 29, 2007 at 2:32 am
Yeah and playing Markov with just inexperienced and immature players is like putting a Nascar engine in a chevette. ITs just a waste.
May 29, 2007 at 4:46 am
I still prefer to have Markov and inexperienced or immature instead of only inexperienced and immature players…..
May 29, 2007 at 5:37 am
Too much money. But it’s pretty much the going rate, and with all the negative press about racism towards Russian players in Montreal this past season, I guess they had to throw their wallet at the only Russian who apparently still wants to play for the habs. This doesn’t bode well for a Souray signing, which saddens me, as I kind of enjoyed having an effective power play the last few seasons.
May 29, 2007 at 11:06 am
Wow!! big bucks, can’t wait to see what K-man and Higgy will end up with
May 29, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Hey guys….love the banter between you freaking loons…Just to see can be the 1st to log in and write “Joshtm is a hack”…nice work Higgy 21…Actually, I think Josh is quite funny and insightful, but question….Did Messers Boullion and Dandy diss you at a card signing event…or not push your wheelchair around at the annual Christmas skating party ??…Come onnnnnnn…those 2 are not that bad…what’s the dealio ?
The Duker…pukin’ on your radio in Toronto
May 29, 2007 at 3:23 pm
LOL hey Josh why not answer your own posts somemore !!!
God your some funny dude …. you have nothing new to say yet? Just more of the same huh ?
We know we know Bob is bad , Carbo is bad, Koivo, is bad, Johnson and all the others are bad, there is nothing good, everyone is bad, the habs are doomed, ect ect ect !!!
Yes Josh we know we know …
Good to see Markov bad hope to see some more news real soon …
May 29, 2007 at 3:25 pm
That was spose to read Good to see Markov back …we need to be able to edit our posts here how hard would that be to setup… geeze we are in 2007 you know?
May 29, 2007 at 5:15 pm
I think dandenault and boullion tag teamed joshtm’s old lady thats why he has such a hate on for them lol.
May 29, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Great sigining, I can honestly say that i dont care what happens tom ontreals defense corps as long as that when the dust settles, komisarek and markov are still around. I dont care about the other defensmen.
May 29, 2007 at 7:38 pm
Detroit can have Dandeneault for nothing if they take Sammy off our hands. Let CUbe stay for another year. AN injury free offseason will really help his game.
May 29, 2007 at 7:57 pm
At 5.75 per year, this is the going rate for a guy like Markov so it’s fair to the market value.
But you can kiss Souray goodbye. His shot and leadership will be missed. His defensive play, passing and skating won’t.
May 29, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Geeze, aren’t we missing our Lithium pills today? Is the sun a bit hot today on you? Cause hey you are just radiating there, drink a bit of salt to go with your brown nosing of those losers. If you can’t see Dandenault for being what he is, a really lousy defenseman, and the other just as lousy defenseman and all those losses we had to endure all year long, like, gee, Habs fans, eyes open but brain ain’t working….no wonder Gainey can rip you off, and give you the con job of “great chemistry” for Sakku’s slump, Johnson’s slips, and Kovalev’s elbow and don’t forget Jack Todd’s fav. Rivet’s Flu….and we can’t forget the food poisoning excuse.
No wonder Gainey used the same words as the “w” he is just as dense and stupid.
It is sad that Gainey would sign Markov for so much for so long, leaving very little room to manouver, yet continuing to waste money on the likes of Dandenault and Bouillon, and praising **** like Johnson, Ninnima and Samsonov.
Honestly, how much more obvious “go phoque yourselves Habs fans” by both Gainey and Kovalev do you have to hear from Bob and Alexei to figure it out? Crazy Bob doesn’t care.
And what’s this bull about inexperienced and immature players. Listen buddy, it was the rookies that pulled us out of the slump. Because guess what, your great heroes Sakku and Alexei were busy being guess what “immature and inexperienced” leaders. Most of the Habs dynasty was won with guess what “immature and inexperienced” rookies, ala Dryden, and the list goes on and on.
It is sad when Crazy Bob doesn’t take advantage of his “immature and inexperienced” players like oh gee, the Ducks and the Senators, who have managed to play in the playoffs so many years in a row.
What a pile of **** about “building” the team, as opposed to Sakku worrying that he would get the boot that he so justly deserves for basically destroying the season with his prima donna hooks and turning a power play into a power play against the habs. How many “great” hockey players have that stupid and unique skill of destroying a promising offense with young rookies and turn it into a horrible loss at the hands of lousy defensemen like Ninnima, Dandenault, and Bouillon?
Where the hell was Johnson all this time that he was supposedly shutting down Crosby and Alfredsson? No where, he is the great white ghost on the team, the spirit falling on the ice after he gets so boozed up he can’t even check instead he falls on the other team….how many times did we see that?
What kind of GM would keep a coach who changes lines more often than his socks? Man that was so Un-NHL-like, what is so professional about that? What kind of “great God-like” wisdom is that for a GM to watch his coach basically destroy a winning momentum with getting rid of rookies who were responsible for all the victories and benching good players just so Dandenault and Bouillon and even friggen Samsonov and Johnson could get more ice time so they “could get better”….well it sure didn’t work that way, I still can’t believe Gainey would say something like that. Ya right, they were so good they cost us a foot into the door of the playoffs. So answer this, if Gainey is so good, why did he allow all the **** that went on, the prima donna complaints by Rivet, Kovalev and even Koivu?
HUH????
May 30, 2007 at 2:50 am
Its sad that you wasted so much of a may evening to wrtie all that funk.
May 30, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Well, after i heard the news about the Markov signing i had to let it digest a little. Obviously this means that Souray will sign elsewhere…my guess is in Anaheim because they feel they need to hoard all the best defenseman in the league.
I personally love Souray here in Montreal, however if Markov is worth almost six million a season, Souray will be commanding close to 7 mill after his “career” year. I would rather see him leave than to give him that kind of money, only to end up with another Bryan Mccabe scenario because we all know Souray will not be scoring 26 goals next year, probabaly not even 15. Good luck to Souray with his future team, but lets concentrate on fixing the in-house problems with our money in aquiring another top centre-man, and a scoring winger. I am sick and tired of seeing Kovalev’s talent go to waste because he either does not want to play here, or is injured or againg or just really is passive about winning. I like the prospect of briere coming to town…we need a player that we can brag about, a scorer…someone who will actually be up there with the leaders in scoring. When was the last time we had a player net over 80 points anyway?
We have great youth on the team and i see great promise in Higgins, Ryder, Komisarek,Plekanec and Latendresse. Koivu is entering the twilight of his career and is really passionate about winning here in Montreal. Only a couple missing pieces and we will have a stanley cup winner in no time. I predict with confidence a cup banner raised in this city within 5 years.
Any comments to that?
May 30, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Well said Chris, I agree. But on only a couple of missing pieces I have to disagree, a bit, more like we have way too many wrong pieces to begin with to really have a cup contender.
May 30, 2007 at 8:35 pm
I don’t understand why Carbo and Gainey don’t remember that size and talent are a key ingredent to building a winner,they should emulate Burke and the Ducks!
May 30, 2007 at 11:39 pm
I Agree with Josh. ME and you are like kindred spirits. We are confused and have many problems. BUt when it comes to hockey we know best. THe media is Montreal is correct about everything they right and really should be the people running the team. TIcket prices should be free and only players under the age of 22 should be allowed to play for the habs. Okay maybe 23. WE should trade away all leaders and big name players so that when youngsters like Higgins and Komi become free agents they will have no reason to stay and take off. Also the team should move from Montreal to HULL.
May 30, 2007 at 11:49 pm
Lapierre should be captain and play on the PP with Latendresse and Begin. Also we should bring up Groulx, CHipchura and Milroy to be the second PP unit. ALso me and Josh will be taking over the off ice services. NO more jerseys or flags allowed in the arena. ALso no cheering of encouragement for the team after the opening face off. THis is a business and we should not be able to enjoy the team unless it is run like a regular 9-5 job. ALso no families allowed anymore and we will decide where eveyrone sits and encourage opposing teams fans to attend the games. NO more beer or food sold at the games. Just water and sour grapes. We must remember we are not fans to enjoy the game or to have hope. We must only be critics. HOckey is a business and must not be taken to heart. IF we win we say nothing, if we lose we will be heard. THIS IS THE WAY OF ME AND JOSH>
May 30, 2007 at 11:57 pm
WE must remember it is not about trying to win a cup. IT is about bringing youth to teh team. IT is about giving up on players before they have a second chance. IF a player is hurt like BOullion and misses the whole offseason workout and is behind the eight ball and has a bad year, he is out. NO questions asked. Players dont rebound. Like cmon Sure Selanne is a great player agian and was **** three years ago but how often does that happen. ONly about 40 percent of the time. INjuries dont cut it. If a player is almost blinded and has a career year but takes a few hoopking players then we get rid of him. ITs not about building a cup contender, its about getting rid of players as soon as they upset us a little. SUre Latendresse may be extremely slow, overly confident and overated but we like him because he is young and has a chance to become better one day. NOT FASTER OF COURSE. We want order not a cup. But wait what will happen when we get everything we want. Well thats the fun part, we will find new reasons and new names to target. HAHAHAHAHA
May 31, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Okay, We all know that Souray asks for a bit much, but personally the guys deserves it. If we lose Markov, we need Souray, I love Souray. It is very difficulty to score 28 goals in a season as a DEFENCEMAN! I mean not even the offensive players score that many goals and for sure there will be changes because the Habs didn’t make the playoffs this year, but there is no reason to sign Souray somewhere else. If anything Begin should leave, he’s done absolutely nothing this season and Carboneau should talk some sense into Kovalev, all of a sudden he stopped being amazing like he used to be. I’m pretty shocked at what kind of money Markov is making, Souray will defenatly ask for at least 7 million if Markov is getting 6. Don’t trade Souray! That’s for sure. With an 100 mph slap shot, Gainey better leave him where he is!
Go HABS GO!
June 14, 2007 at 9:48 am
#24 Sourayfan44
Have you just awaken from a comma? We signed Markov to a to a 4 year deal…so we’re not losing him unless we want to. May you have split personalities? Because you go on to state this fact later in your post about how Markov terms of his contract. Then you go on ripping Begin? Begin’s return from his injury (broken foot) although premature definatly not at 100% and playing as a 4th liner, gave the team a boost by adding heart to our team that was struggling to show up during one of the most horrific losing steaks in recent history. Souray would be a great player to keep but the same goes for players such as Smyth, Breire, Drury, ect. at what point does the cost out weigh the benefit?