Brisebois Back?
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Long time Canadiens punching bag Patrice Brisebois may be back with the CH.
Bob Gainey has apparently made him a contract offer.
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Patrice Brisebois is once again a Montreal Canadien.
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- goalie : Didn't get to see the game at all but it's great to see Pacs get a hat trick and fpor Cole to be + 3. When was the last time this team won three games in a row? Great victory -looks like they're giving 100% effort!
- Senet1 : 4-2 win habs
- Senet1 : Gomez scores, Yea!!!
- goalie : As I said yesterday it will be interesting to see what our lame ass GM gets for players he ships out. Bourque is good and he'll help us but I still think we could have gotten more for him and for Halak when he was traded.
- Avatar37 : round those picks occur (probably 3rd).
- Avatar37 : An interesting article. If we slip to the 5th or 7th draft pick, a very interesting case could be made for drafting Galchenyuk. If we wind up with the second or third pick, I'm not sure who I'd draft, because clearly Yakupov is going to be drafted first overall. Our second round pick also becomes interesting, I know I'd take Vasilevski if he were still available. It will also be interesting to see if we can turn some of our veteran players (Moen, Gill, Campoli) into draft picks, and what
- Avatar37 : «link»
- Avatar37 : That is why PG should have waited on trading Cammalleri. Right now, there is a high demand for a top 6 forward, we could have gotten much more than Bourque in return. That isn't a knock against Bourque, but a knock against a knee-jerk reaction trade that didn't maximize our return on a top asset.
- Avatar37 : «link»
- Avatar37 : chips fall where they may. After all, the only difference between finishing 17th and 29th is how good a pick you get in the draft.
- Avatar37 : We currently sit in 26th place in the league. We are 15 points ahead of Columbus, it's safe to bet at this point they will place last. We are, however, only 4 points ahead of Edmonton so it's still wide open as to who is going to finish second last. I still think that it's time to sit the veterans, play the youth, let them get experience, and regroup for next year. I'm not suggesting deliberately tanking like the Penguins, but give all our young players lots of playing time and let the c
- Avatar37 : goalie - If it were not for the play of Cammalleri, we would never have made it out of round 1. Cammalleri played as big a part, if not bigger, than Halak did. Sure, Halak played well, but remember the team collapsed in front of him, making his job much easier. We had lots of blocked shots and the ones that got through were typically from the outside.
- Senet1 : Goalie you are absolutely right, of course the one thing we had the two previous years that won the games that we are losing this year was our power play. If you look at say 10 games that we should have won had we had a similar power play, again we would not be having these conversations. When your PP goes from first to last in the league that is a lot of goals.How many games have we lost this year by one goal. Again poor management who did not prepare for Markov's possible absence.
- goalie : I'll put it another way.... we need more players who are willing to get their noses dirty.
- goalie : Two years ago when our goaltending stole series adn our players suddenly scored the coaches / GM believed that that was our true team . Well time has proven that was not. Though I was very glad to see the Habs knock off some very good teams we were very fortunate. And fortunate that spring was spelled HALAK!
- goalie : The wrst mistake management could possibly make I believe is to say, we played well some games and we believe the team can play to that level more often in the future. This team CANNOT adnb DOES NOT play to a high enough level. Please do not kid yourself mamngement. hat is partially why we're in the lace we are.
- goalie : Senet is correct when he says that if we had more games with a better efort this year we'd likely be in the playoffs. It has been very inconsistent effort but much more than that. We lack big, tough playing and finishing. Never mind fighting for a moment. We did not compete for the pucks nor along the boards nor in front of both nets enough this year. Thus we are in 29th. If the coaching staff doesn't see that then they shouldn't be there.
- Senet1 : Surely Molson is not going to keep him as the GM?
- Senet1 : when he knows he will be fired at the end of the season. Nothing really makes since in this whole process.
- Senet1 : I am not sue why PG has not been fired by now. They could be waiting for another GM to come available at season end, but why would you not set up a committee to manage the team in the short run until a new GM can be named. There is no since in chaning coaches because whoever the GM is he will want to name his own coach. Gainey and a committe of other executives can manage the team through to the trading deadline and onward. What motivation does PG have to making any worthwhile trades when he is
- Senet1 : I am too mch of a competitor to want my team to tank to. However, If these players played like they ae cabable of playing all year we would not be having this discussion right now, we woud be talking about the playoffs and who we would rather meet in the first round.
- rocky : Exactly, and Senet nails it when he says we have not had an elite top 5 in the nhl player since lafleur.
- goalie : I too want the Habs to get the best possible draft this June. We all need SOME hope!
- rocky : He is persona non grata in habville, and a ghost in every sense of the term.
- goalie : It remains a miracle how we have heard from our mighty GM twice since Christmas - the trades involving Spacek and Cammy and those comments were extremely brief. PG just does not cut it in my world. Part of a GMs job is to go public from time to time. PG never does that in fact he's a ghost GM!
- rocky : Its true, there is no honor in that. These guys have only known the ethic of giving it all to win every night. I do not want them to "tank", and they will never do that anyway. I do want them to lose though, as awful as it sounds.
- goalie : Roicky as a good point. We all want the Habs to get a really good draft pick. However, players, coaches etc. also have a keen desire to compete and win. That's why they're playing at the pro level. Thus we can only hope that the team plays some good games and let the chips fall where they may. After the disasterous season we've had let's not lower ourselves adn get involved in any dscussions about 'tanking' games.
- rocky : So long.
- Senet1 : Good discussion rocky, I have to step out for an hour, but may be back later.
- Senet1 : The only way this team comes back to a team with long term potential is to draft a game breaker. Even all the other bad teams have a Stamkos or a player like him. He have some good player so what we need is a Malkin that we can count on 80% of the time to win a game for us.
- rocky : I mean winning will only do them harm that is.
- rocky : It really hurts because my reflexes make me want to cheer like mad, but it will only hurt the team now.
- Senet1 : Yes I have mixed feeling when watching the game. Last night I say here we go again. with our record of shoot losses I did not expect to win that one. Yet I wanted to win real bad?????
- rocky : God, so horrible to sit and hope for losses, but here we are.
- Senet1 : Our problem is we play one out of every 4 games good and therefore, we play well enough to stay on the borderline of a top five pick. If we win three or four in a row we could take ourselves right out of the running.
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July 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm
700K yeah, we got people in the minors earning more. Thats where they will send him if he blunders too much. Teach the kids and stuff. Otherwise, I guess its a little bit of depth.
July 28, 2007 at 4:35 pm
breezer is on his way back, because Bob is moving dandy out in a deal to SJ
July 28, 2007 at 4:45 pm
I agree with you Habs4ever….something is going down.
July 28, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Oh god… Just when you thought Breezeby was gone… like a bad penny, there’s a risk he’ll show up again. It was bad enough when they got Traverse back, thank god they traded him away… but I don’t think anyone is going to want to trade for Brisebois… We’d be better off just bringing up some young blood from Hamilton…
July 28, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Teach the kids Yaeh ?? Do you really want Breezeby teaching the kids ?? Are you normal ??
What’s he gonna teach them ? How to create more turnovers ? Bob is nuts!
July 28, 2007 at 8:14 pm
I see this acquisition happening for several reasons. We, as a VERY YOUNG…and talented team, need some experienced players regardless of their position in the roster. Brisebois can brng this experience and teach it to the youngins.
Moreover, Brisebois may want to finish his career where he started it. Hopefully, retiring with the blue-blanc-rouge after lifting a lord stanley in his last year with Habs!
Furthermore, a deal might be oi the works sending a couple of defensemen to a team and then we would need to bring some new blood from our farm team. As the youngters make their debut in the big league, Brisebois’ experience would serve as a postive element to their future career with the team.
After all, he isn’t that old—> He’s 36 years old. (That’s pretty damn young compared to Shneider and his huge contract !)
C’mon Bob show us what you’ve been working on all summer!
July 28, 2007 at 10:07 pm
OK,now I’m totally disalusioned!WTFIWW Gainey? YOU HAVE LOST IT MAN!STEP DOWN!
July 29, 2007 at 1:16 am
Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to call for Gainey to step down… I really think he’s the best GM that we’ve had since I don’t know when… but Brisebois? Then again, that’s what I thought when he picked up Traverse, but he turned around and traded Traverse for Biron so … maybe there’s some ulterior motive that we’re not aware of going on right now… it can’t be because he seriously wants to see him back with our club… I know I don’t.
July 29, 2007 at 8:29 am
Bringing brisbois means that we have a few extra d-men.Theres got to be more to this than meets the eye.A trade maybe? I dont think the offer to brisbois is as bad as many think.He wont have the presure of being our top defenceman as he was before.(looking back in retrospect thats really sad lol.)Having said all that the one thing that i dont understand about gainey is that when he was asked if he was done with signing ufa’s he said he was done in not so many words and that the strength of the club would come from within.I do believe a rookie could have made the jump instead but what do i know lol.This offer has made everyone a little confused including myself.Just where is gainey going with this remains to be seen.
July 29, 2007 at 9:42 am
i believe there is a trade brewing. perhaps he could be replacing a dandenault or a bouillon. if we brought brisebois back it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world it’s only a 1-year contract at $700,000 and i think he would fit in good as a sixth defenceman playing 10-15 minutes a game
July 29, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Ryder just signed a one year deal with the habs, Thats good news
July 29, 2007 at 2:32 pm
You got to look at his +- He is a +5 for his total and in his last year with the habs he was a +17 (not bad for the whipping boy of montreal)Ok,no he is not a #1 def. but he will not be brought in for that. He will be in(if it happens)for depth and exsperiance. Or as some have said for a trade situation.Ever think that if we trade some players(D-MEN) and sign D.Markov then Brisebois will be there to eat up some min. if the young guys that will make the team falter.They have a bad game you can take them out (sit them for a few) and you have a decent replacement or if one gets injured. And at 700,000 I would wellcome it
July 29, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Of course the question is whether BreezeBy accepts such a bargain basement salary? If he does come back, as koivufan said, playing 10-15, half of which on the power play, might not be such a bad use of an experienced defenceman. In fact, as the #5 or 6 defenseman playing the second power play shift, he may actually be very helpful, post-Souray. The fact that he’s francophone will take some of the heat off Latendresse (and Gainey, for that matter).
I also agree there must be a trade brewing. Carbo and Gainey must want to give a couple of young guys their shot. So, if BB returns, I guess Dandy is gone. IF that’s the trade, Dandy for whatever, it’s not even close to the blockbuster people are looking for. I’d guess a 2nd or more likely 3rd round pick.
Bouillon gets a hard time, but everyone forgets he had half a year off last season due to his foot injury. When he came back, he was obviously not in top form: but the previous season he was inspirational. I think this year he’ll return and fit in very well, maybe paired with Hamrlik… probably have a great season.
Very happy that Ryder is signed (AGAIN for only a year… what’s with that?). I thought last year, despite the 30 goals, he was horrible. He scored in spurts, and rarely when it made a difference; on the first line he was often a waste of space… it was Higgy and Koivu carrying the load. He needs to show us what he’s really got this season.
July 29, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Brisebrois is probably coming back becasue It’s almost tyhe end of his career and It’s obvious his favorite team is the montreal Canadiens. he’s 36 yrs old and this could possibly his last season(if its a 1 year contract.) he spent pretty much his whole career with us. I know it’s more wasted money, but hey, 0.700 million is not that bad. He could trade another one of our D in the future.
July 29, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Yeah, I’d have liked to see Ryder signed for more than 1 year, but keep in mind, maybe it’s his agent or his request to go year by year? I don’t know how many more years until he’s an UFA, but it could be that’s what they’re aiming for… I think it would be helpful to understanding the GM’s job and his decisions if it was made public not only the final agreement but what the player was *asking* for… because as things stand all the blame always seems to land in the GM’s lap and we have no idea what his options were.
I agree that Ryder didn’t seem to show up much last year (or at least as much as during his first year) and yet he was the only 30 goal scorer on our team… Playing in the same system that Kovalev got what, 18 goals? lol … the only thing I’d like to see more is him going to the slot, but … keep up the good work Ryder and keep scoring, lord knows no one else seems to much.
July 29, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Hello all! Longtime no type!!! I have been on a well deserved holiday!! I’ m back!!!
I was talking to Francois, a buddy of mine in Montreal. He said there is a reason for bringing back Brisebois and for the 1 year contract to Ryder. A trade with SJ……Dandenault, Ryder, and a 1st round pick for Marleau.
That wouldn’t be so bad eh?
Let’s see if it actually happens!!!!
July 29, 2007 at 5:11 pm
With Ryder signed we still have around 6-7 mill. So a trade for Marleau and sign him to an extention is looking very good. In this San jose gets Ryder for less money and can resign him to an extention for less then Marleau.We could give him 6 MILL NEXT YEAR and still have lots of cap space for the rest of the players we would like to have….
July 29, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Just wait and see Ryder and dandy to san jose
July 29, 2007 at 7:27 pm
do u wan’t ryder gone!!!- Dandenault- yes I like him, but his days as a hab are done!!! Ryder is a great player.
July 29, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Ryder for $2.95 mil… I think that’s a great deal, considering some of the contracts that were thrown around… Ryder is one of the better young players we have, I hope we don’t trade him.
July 30, 2007 at 10:58 am
San Jose was in the market for a young Dman, and they picked Alexei Semenov Friday; Not a earth shattering move but a young big Dman and about as good as I think we could have offered besides our top prospects… I think they’ll start the season and see how thinks workout with Marleau before they make any decision to trade.
In other news, It looks like we made Adam Proteau’s ~ The Hockey News list of 2007-08 UFA’s that won’t payoff… at number 5 as a good non signing and 3 as a bad signing;
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?page=screenshots070730
July 30, 2007 at 10:53 pm
xhabsfan, yur always crying about needing more french bums. Now Gainey offers a contract to one and you cry about it? Quebec the Francophone province deserves breezer.. hahaha..
In Bob we trust!!!!!!!
July 31, 2007 at 12:48 am
habs4never,why do you have to be such a dits? If you don’t know how to connect the dots boy,why is that any body’s fault but you?Take some responsibility in your life man and have accountability!!!Don’t you owe yourself that much?Man some leafs people,geeze?Man you are so Toronto Blue it looks like you were blowing Smurfs,lol.Hey genius,did you ever hear the saying “When in Rome do as the Romans”or is that to hard for you to process?Don’t know anything bout business man? Did you know there would still be a N.B.A. basketball team in Vancouver if the former team “Grizzly’s”would of pick Steve Nash of Victoria.I guess not cause it’s all about you,eh!The thing that really PISSES ME OFF IS the way you and others put words in mine and others to try to look impressive,man I hope you don’t have kids!lol
July 31, 2007 at 8:52 am
Do you see the leaf fans crying for all ontario born players. Fact is french Quebec is snobby and they think they’re **** don’t don’t stink. They contribute all past success to french canadians and say we need french superstars now. What a joke? Hopefully breezer is the guy you were looking for.. HAHAHA Another soft french canadian.
July 31, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Latendresse – Koivu – Kovalev
Higgins – Plekanec – Ryder
KOstitsyn – Smolinski – Lahti
Chipchura/locke – Lapierre – Kostopoulos
Begin
Komisarek – Markov
Hamrlik – O’byrne
Bouillon – Brisebois
Dandenault
Huet
Halak
(Price by the end of the season)
July 31, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Blah BLah BLah
July 31, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Question:How many ontairo born players on the Laff’s?
August 1, 2007 at 1:35 am
Gainey is patient, Les Boyz. No cause for concern just yet. Let the pre season take hold. Gainey has got his finger on the button – if a trade is needed, voila. It will happen – like last year when Ribsy was sent to the Lone Star State. Have faith – pray to Lord Hab and all will be fine. No go BBQ a burger – extra cheese!!!
August 1, 2007 at 8:16 am
They have a few, but Question. How many BC natives does Vancouver have, or how many AB does Edmonton have. There is more players born in Ont, hence why the leafs have some, just about every team does. Raycroft was picked outta desperation, not because he’s from Ont, mark bell was just aquired for similiar reasons, your argument is bs to say the least.
This isn’t the “Quebec” Nordiques, this is “Montreal” Canadians, big difference.
August 1, 2007 at 1:11 pm
i think ryder is ready 2 go 2 the sharks on the account of his good freind clowe
August 1, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Everyone enjoy Ryder for the last time this year. He’s a traded man walking.
August 1, 2007 at 7:27 pm
I disagree he’s being traded, a one year deal only hurts his value, why would a team want an impending UFA, if gainey signed him to a 3 year deal, he would be easier to move and have higher value, ths one yr deal depreciates his value. i think hes staying.
August 1, 2007 at 7:48 pm
i sure hope ur right habs4ever!!!!!!!!!
August 1, 2007 at 8:37 pm
People gotta stop listening to eklund, all this marleau hype was generated by him. He makes up habs rumours to attract habs fans, like he does the leafs, oilers and any other hockey market, rarely is his blog titled columbus rumours, the guys a fraud and Michael Ryder is staying put.
August 1, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Pertaining to Brisebois; RDS reporting Meehan has sent a counter offer and the “ball is now in Gainey’s court…”
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rds.ca%2F&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
August 2, 2007 at 3:42 pm
i have a question for anyone. u think its best 2 leave the team as it is, 2 develop the younger players.
August 2, 2007 at 3:43 pm
When trying to sign a big name free agent, couldn’t Gainey tell the player I’ll give you the maximum salairy for every year you sign (e.g 4 yrs or 5). So, if the max is 8 million this yr, 9 next, 9.5 after that… Wouldn’t that encourage a player like Lecavalier to sign.
On another note, I couldn’t fathom making millions per yr…
August 3, 2007 at 9:06 am
Rubberman ~ I am not sure money is the whole issue for the most part… In this years UFA market, we could have offered upward of $10 million with the new salary cap at $50… That sort contract$$$ is and should be reserved for the elite few franchise players in the league… none of which were available in this years UFA pool.
Gainey offered Briere and Smyth more money than they settled for with their new respective teams for whatever reasons. Those guys are good players but not franchise players. If we want a franchise player like Lecavalier our team will have to prove we’re a worthy top level team. The team needs a winning appeal to sell a player on it’s club. Nobody wants to come into a situation where they’re deemed the savor of an organization because it sets them up for failure. ESPECAILLY MONTREAL…
Another issue every team faces is most Franchise players usually stay within an organization because their repective teams do everything their power to sign them a year prior to FA status. Giving them long expensive contracts which almost guarantees they won’t see a FA market while in their prime. Tampa, however, offers a unique situation (disadvantage), in that, they have a franchise player, but they are also paying Richards franchise player money, along with St. Louis’s making a hefty pay check, with both locked up with No trade clauses making them very difficult to move. Lecavalier has 2 years less on his contract and has no TRADE CLAUSE provisions in place. Another further disadvantage team is that Tampa has inacted a salary CAP lower than the league at around $44 million. This will make it nearly impossible for #1 to resign Lecavalier and #2 pick up the necessary tools to make the team better… (#1 Goalie comes to mind and some Defense support wouldn’t hurt either).
Montreal’s advantage is that Lecavalier is from Montreal. He knows the history, the hockey culture, and the status being successful on the most storied franchise in hockey. Gainey has to sell this point. He needs to emphasize that in order to becaome a LEGEND he must come to a place were LEGENDS are born. Somehow he has to make this point more important than money because Montreal is at a slight tax disadvantage than everywhere else.
Lecavalier is our best opportunity to acquire a star player in my opinion. Gainey is waiting for the chance and hopefully he can pounce on it when it arises. These rarely happen, but waiting patiently…with money in hand, Gainey is lurking for this deal to home bring home the cup and cement his status in history.
August 3, 2007 at 10:34 am
Some of the stuff that Gainey has done are really bad. Think of the big salaries he gave Brisebois (over 4 million a year), and Theodore (over 5.5 M per year), when a lot of people knew that these players were bad. Then came trading Ribeiro for Niniima.. which didnt quite work out well. Now he’s given Hamrlik a superstar salary. It is curious how he manages to overpay a few players quite a lot and also manages to underpay other players.
Id give him one more year. If we dont make the playoffs this year he should be gone along with Charbonneau. If the team doesnt improve dramatically by next year, he should also be gone.
August 3, 2007 at 2:56 pm
YUP – In all due respect, Gainey was not GM when Brisebois and Theo received their contracts and he traded Theo to releave us of his burden. Theo was one of the best goalies the year prior to recieving the contract and Gainey still went after Price his first year as GM. As for Brisbois, he let go to Colorado to recieve the his next payday once his contract expired.
Look at Riberio’s replacement, Pleckanics, who has done his job better at about half the price with twice the attitude improvement. Nimiina was aquired because of injury needs when Bouillon when down.
Time will tell what direction the CH will take… Gainey doing just fine.
August 4, 2007 at 4:30 am
Brisebois is back!!!- not many people have the cohones that he does comming back to Montreal – even after all the heat he got – - far and few people could do what he just did – I just gained new respect for the briser !!! a real winner and a true Montreal Canadien – with all the pressure in Montreal and BS – hats off 2 Brisebois ! go habs go ! Brisebois is now a true leader in the Montreal dressing move ! Simply fantastic – all whom doubt in him now are delusional — and have a couple of marbles missing especially for the price we got him 4 – he’s no loger the 4.2 million dolllar man but a true Montreal champion – his decision will bring a cup back 2 montreal , he will and everybody in 1 year will have to thank brisebois – nrver thought I would have said this but he made it happen! Time will show the pessimist all wrong! Simply fantastic!
August 22, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Dandy and Ryder for Marleau? Doesn’t seem like a bad thing, but can Marleau perform in Montreal is what you gotta ask yourself….Ryder has proved he can. So is this an ingenius move if it happens, or just another case like Lecaire where the powers that be shoot themselves in the foot again.