Brisebois Back?
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Long time Canadiens punching bag Patrice Brisebois may be back with the CH.
Bob Gainey has apparently made him a contract offer.
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Patrice Brisebois is once again a Montreal Canadien.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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July 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm
700K yeah, we got people in the minors earning more. Thats where they will send him if he blunders too much. Teach the kids and stuff. Otherwise, I guess its a little bit of depth.
July 28, 2007 at 4:35 pm
breezer is on his way back, because Bob is moving dandy out in a deal to SJ
July 28, 2007 at 4:45 pm
I agree with you Habs4ever….something is going down.
July 28, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Oh god… Just when you thought Breezeby was gone… like a bad penny, there’s a risk he’ll show up again. It was bad enough when they got Traverse back, thank god they traded him away… but I don’t think anyone is going to want to trade for Brisebois… We’d be better off just bringing up some young blood from Hamilton…
July 28, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Teach the kids Yaeh ?? Do you really want Breezeby teaching the kids ?? Are you normal ??
What’s he gonna teach them ? How to create more turnovers ? Bob is nuts!
July 28, 2007 at 8:14 pm
I see this acquisition happening for several reasons. We, as a VERY YOUNG…and talented team, need some experienced players regardless of their position in the roster. Brisebois can brng this experience and teach it to the youngins.
Moreover, Brisebois may want to finish his career where he started it. Hopefully, retiring with the blue-blanc-rouge after lifting a lord stanley in his last year with Habs!
Furthermore, a deal might be oi the works sending a couple of defensemen to a team and then we would need to bring some new blood from our farm team. As the youngters make their debut in the big league, Brisebois’ experience would serve as a postive element to their future career with the team.
After all, he isn’t that old—> He’s 36 years old. (That’s pretty damn young compared to Shneider and his huge contract !)
C’mon Bob show us what you’ve been working on all summer!
July 28, 2007 at 10:07 pm
OK,now I’m totally disalusioned!WTFIWW Gainey? YOU HAVE LOST IT MAN!STEP DOWN!
July 29, 2007 at 1:16 am
Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to call for Gainey to step down… I really think he’s the best GM that we’ve had since I don’t know when… but Brisebois? Then again, that’s what I thought when he picked up Traverse, but he turned around and traded Traverse for Biron so … maybe there’s some ulterior motive that we’re not aware of going on right now… it can’t be because he seriously wants to see him back with our club… I know I don’t.
July 29, 2007 at 8:29 am
Bringing brisbois means that we have a few extra d-men.Theres got to be more to this than meets the eye.A trade maybe? I dont think the offer to brisbois is as bad as many think.He wont have the presure of being our top defenceman as he was before.(looking back in retrospect thats really sad lol.)Having said all that the one thing that i dont understand about gainey is that when he was asked if he was done with signing ufa’s he said he was done in not so many words and that the strength of the club would come from within.I do believe a rookie could have made the jump instead but what do i know lol.This offer has made everyone a little confused including myself.Just where is gainey going with this remains to be seen.
July 29, 2007 at 9:42 am
i believe there is a trade brewing. perhaps he could be replacing a dandenault or a bouillon. if we brought brisebois back it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world it’s only a 1-year contract at $700,000 and i think he would fit in good as a sixth defenceman playing 10-15 minutes a game
July 29, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Ryder just signed a one year deal with the habs, Thats good news
July 29, 2007 at 2:32 pm
You got to look at his +- He is a +5 for his total and in his last year with the habs he was a +17 (not bad for the whipping boy of montreal)Ok,no he is not a #1 def. but he will not be brought in for that. He will be in(if it happens)for depth and exsperiance. Or as some have said for a trade situation.Ever think that if we trade some players(D-MEN) and sign D.Markov then Brisebois will be there to eat up some min. if the young guys that will make the team falter.They have a bad game you can take them out (sit them for a few) and you have a decent replacement or if one gets injured. And at 700,000 I would wellcome it
July 29, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Of course the question is whether BreezeBy accepts such a bargain basement salary? If he does come back, as koivufan said, playing 10-15, half of which on the power play, might not be such a bad use of an experienced defenceman. In fact, as the #5 or 6 defenseman playing the second power play shift, he may actually be very helpful, post-Souray. The fact that he’s francophone will take some of the heat off Latendresse (and Gainey, for that matter).
I also agree there must be a trade brewing. Carbo and Gainey must want to give a couple of young guys their shot. So, if BB returns, I guess Dandy is gone. IF that’s the trade, Dandy for whatever, it’s not even close to the blockbuster people are looking for. I’d guess a 2nd or more likely 3rd round pick.
Bouillon gets a hard time, but everyone forgets he had half a year off last season due to his foot injury. When he came back, he was obviously not in top form: but the previous season he was inspirational. I think this year he’ll return and fit in very well, maybe paired with Hamrlik… probably have a great season.
Very happy that Ryder is signed (AGAIN for only a year… what’s with that?). I thought last year, despite the 30 goals, he was horrible. He scored in spurts, and rarely when it made a difference; on the first line he was often a waste of space… it was Higgy and Koivu carrying the load. He needs to show us what he’s really got this season.
July 29, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Brisebrois is probably coming back becasue It’s almost tyhe end of his career and It’s obvious his favorite team is the montreal Canadiens. he’s 36 yrs old and this could possibly his last season(if its a 1 year contract.) he spent pretty much his whole career with us. I know it’s more wasted money, but hey, 0.700 million is not that bad. He could trade another one of our D in the future.
July 29, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Yeah, I’d have liked to see Ryder signed for more than 1 year, but keep in mind, maybe it’s his agent or his request to go year by year? I don’t know how many more years until he’s an UFA, but it could be that’s what they’re aiming for… I think it would be helpful to understanding the GM’s job and his decisions if it was made public not only the final agreement but what the player was *asking* for… because as things stand all the blame always seems to land in the GM’s lap and we have no idea what his options were.
I agree that Ryder didn’t seem to show up much last year (or at least as much as during his first year) and yet he was the only 30 goal scorer on our team… Playing in the same system that Kovalev got what, 18 goals? lol … the only thing I’d like to see more is him going to the slot, but … keep up the good work Ryder and keep scoring, lord knows no one else seems to much.
July 29, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Hello all! Longtime no type!!! I have been on a well deserved holiday!! I’ m back!!!
I was talking to Francois, a buddy of mine in Montreal. He said there is a reason for bringing back Brisebois and for the 1 year contract to Ryder. A trade with SJ……Dandenault, Ryder, and a 1st round pick for Marleau.
That wouldn’t be so bad eh?
Let’s see if it actually happens!!!!
July 29, 2007 at 5:11 pm
With Ryder signed we still have around 6-7 mill. So a trade for Marleau and sign him to an extention is looking very good. In this San jose gets Ryder for less money and can resign him to an extention for less then Marleau.We could give him 6 MILL NEXT YEAR and still have lots of cap space for the rest of the players we would like to have….
July 29, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Just wait and see Ryder and dandy to san jose
July 29, 2007 at 7:27 pm
do u wan’t ryder gone!!!- Dandenault- yes I like him, but his days as a hab are done!!! Ryder is a great player.
July 29, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Ryder for $2.95 mil… I think that’s a great deal, considering some of the contracts that were thrown around… Ryder is one of the better young players we have, I hope we don’t trade him.
July 30, 2007 at 10:58 am
San Jose was in the market for a young Dman, and they picked Alexei Semenov Friday; Not a earth shattering move but a young big Dman and about as good as I think we could have offered besides our top prospects… I think they’ll start the season and see how thinks workout with Marleau before they make any decision to trade.
In other news, It looks like we made Adam Proteau’s ~ The Hockey News list of 2007-08 UFA’s that won’t payoff… at number 5 as a good non signing and 3 as a bad signing;
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?page=screenshots070730
July 30, 2007 at 10:53 pm
xhabsfan, yur always crying about needing more french bums. Now Gainey offers a contract to one and you cry about it? Quebec the Francophone province deserves breezer.. hahaha..
In Bob we trust!!!!!!!
July 31, 2007 at 12:48 am
habs4never,why do you have to be such a dits? If you don’t know how to connect the dots boy,why is that any body’s fault but you?Take some responsibility in your life man and have accountability!!!Don’t you owe yourself that much?Man some leafs people,geeze?Man you are so Toronto Blue it looks like you were blowing Smurfs,lol.Hey genius,did you ever hear the saying “When in Rome do as the Romans”or is that to hard for you to process?Don’t know anything bout business man? Did you know there would still be a N.B.A. basketball team in Vancouver if the former team “Grizzly’s”would of pick Steve Nash of Victoria.I guess not cause it’s all about you,eh!The thing that really PISSES ME OFF IS the way you and others put words in mine and others to try to look impressive,man I hope you don’t have kids!lol
July 31, 2007 at 8:52 am
Do you see the leaf fans crying for all ontario born players. Fact is french Quebec is snobby and they think they’re **** don’t don’t stink. They contribute all past success to french canadians and say we need french superstars now. What a joke? Hopefully breezer is the guy you were looking for.. HAHAHA Another soft french canadian.
July 31, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Latendresse – Koivu – Kovalev
Higgins – Plekanec – Ryder
KOstitsyn – Smolinski – Lahti
Chipchura/locke – Lapierre – Kostopoulos
Begin
Komisarek – Markov
Hamrlik – O’byrne
Bouillon – Brisebois
Dandenault
Huet
Halak
(Price by the end of the season)
July 31, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Blah BLah BLah
July 31, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Question:How many ontairo born players on the Laff’s?
August 1, 2007 at 1:35 am
Gainey is patient, Les Boyz. No cause for concern just yet. Let the pre season take hold. Gainey has got his finger on the button – if a trade is needed, voila. It will happen – like last year when Ribsy was sent to the Lone Star State. Have faith – pray to Lord Hab and all will be fine. No go BBQ a burger – extra cheese!!!
August 1, 2007 at 8:16 am
They have a few, but Question. How many BC natives does Vancouver have, or how many AB does Edmonton have. There is more players born in Ont, hence why the leafs have some, just about every team does. Raycroft was picked outta desperation, not because he’s from Ont, mark bell was just aquired for similiar reasons, your argument is bs to say the least.
This isn’t the “Quebec” Nordiques, this is “Montreal” Canadians, big difference.
August 1, 2007 at 1:11 pm
i think ryder is ready 2 go 2 the sharks on the account of his good freind clowe
August 1, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Everyone enjoy Ryder for the last time this year. He’s a traded man walking.
August 1, 2007 at 7:27 pm
I disagree he’s being traded, a one year deal only hurts his value, why would a team want an impending UFA, if gainey signed him to a 3 year deal, he would be easier to move and have higher value, ths one yr deal depreciates his value. i think hes staying.
August 1, 2007 at 7:48 pm
i sure hope ur right habs4ever!!!!!!!!!
August 1, 2007 at 8:37 pm
People gotta stop listening to eklund, all this marleau hype was generated by him. He makes up habs rumours to attract habs fans, like he does the leafs, oilers and any other hockey market, rarely is his blog titled columbus rumours, the guys a fraud and Michael Ryder is staying put.
August 1, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Pertaining to Brisebois; RDS reporting Meehan has sent a counter offer and the “ball is now in Gainey’s court…”
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rds.ca%2F&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
August 2, 2007 at 3:42 pm
i have a question for anyone. u think its best 2 leave the team as it is, 2 develop the younger players.
August 2, 2007 at 3:43 pm
When trying to sign a big name free agent, couldn’t Gainey tell the player I’ll give you the maximum salairy for every year you sign (e.g 4 yrs or 5). So, if the max is 8 million this yr, 9 next, 9.5 after that… Wouldn’t that encourage a player like Lecavalier to sign.
On another note, I couldn’t fathom making millions per yr…
August 3, 2007 at 9:06 am
Rubberman ~ I am not sure money is the whole issue for the most part… In this years UFA market, we could have offered upward of $10 million with the new salary cap at $50… That sort contract$$$ is and should be reserved for the elite few franchise players in the league… none of which were available in this years UFA pool.
Gainey offered Briere and Smyth more money than they settled for with their new respective teams for whatever reasons. Those guys are good players but not franchise players. If we want a franchise player like Lecavalier our team will have to prove we’re a worthy top level team. The team needs a winning appeal to sell a player on it’s club. Nobody wants to come into a situation where they’re deemed the savor of an organization because it sets them up for failure. ESPECAILLY MONTREAL…
Another issue every team faces is most Franchise players usually stay within an organization because their repective teams do everything their power to sign them a year prior to FA status. Giving them long expensive contracts which almost guarantees they won’t see a FA market while in their prime. Tampa, however, offers a unique situation (disadvantage), in that, they have a franchise player, but they are also paying Richards franchise player money, along with St. Louis’s making a hefty pay check, with both locked up with No trade clauses making them very difficult to move. Lecavalier has 2 years less on his contract and has no TRADE CLAUSE provisions in place. Another further disadvantage team is that Tampa has inacted a salary CAP lower than the league at around $44 million. This will make it nearly impossible for #1 to resign Lecavalier and #2 pick up the necessary tools to make the team better… (#1 Goalie comes to mind and some Defense support wouldn’t hurt either).
Montreal’s advantage is that Lecavalier is from Montreal. He knows the history, the hockey culture, and the status being successful on the most storied franchise in hockey. Gainey has to sell this point. He needs to emphasize that in order to becaome a LEGEND he must come to a place were LEGENDS are born. Somehow he has to make this point more important than money because Montreal is at a slight tax disadvantage than everywhere else.
Lecavalier is our best opportunity to acquire a star player in my opinion. Gainey is waiting for the chance and hopefully he can pounce on it when it arises. These rarely happen, but waiting patiently…with money in hand, Gainey is lurking for this deal to home bring home the cup and cement his status in history.
August 3, 2007 at 10:34 am
Some of the stuff that Gainey has done are really bad. Think of the big salaries he gave Brisebois (over 4 million a year), and Theodore (over 5.5 M per year), when a lot of people knew that these players were bad. Then came trading Ribeiro for Niniima.. which didnt quite work out well. Now he’s given Hamrlik a superstar salary. It is curious how he manages to overpay a few players quite a lot and also manages to underpay other players.
Id give him one more year. If we dont make the playoffs this year he should be gone along with Charbonneau. If the team doesnt improve dramatically by next year, he should also be gone.
August 3, 2007 at 2:56 pm
YUP – In all due respect, Gainey was not GM when Brisebois and Theo received their contracts and he traded Theo to releave us of his burden. Theo was one of the best goalies the year prior to recieving the contract and Gainey still went after Price his first year as GM. As for Brisbois, he let go to Colorado to recieve the his next payday once his contract expired.
Look at Riberio’s replacement, Pleckanics, who has done his job better at about half the price with twice the attitude improvement. Nimiina was aquired because of injury needs when Bouillon when down.
Time will tell what direction the CH will take… Gainey doing just fine.
August 4, 2007 at 4:30 am
Brisebois is back!!!- not many people have the cohones that he does comming back to Montreal – even after all the heat he got – - far and few people could do what he just did – I just gained new respect for the briser !!! a real winner and a true Montreal Canadien – with all the pressure in Montreal and BS – hats off 2 Brisebois ! go habs go ! Brisebois is now a true leader in the Montreal dressing move ! Simply fantastic – all whom doubt in him now are delusional — and have a couple of marbles missing especially for the price we got him 4 – he’s no loger the 4.2 million dolllar man but a true Montreal champion – his decision will bring a cup back 2 montreal , he will and everybody in 1 year will have to thank brisebois – nrver thought I would have said this but he made it happen! Time will show the pessimist all wrong! Simply fantastic!
August 22, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Dandy and Ryder for Marleau? Doesn’t seem like a bad thing, but can Marleau perform in Montreal is what you gotta ask yourself….Ryder has proved he can. So is this an ingenius move if it happens, or just another case like Lecaire where the powers that be shoot themselves in the foot again.