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The Habs are in the Big Apple tonight to take on the Rangers. A win tonight would give the Canadiens a very respectable 9 points of out 12 on their 6 game road trip.
More impressive is the Habs tally of 10 goals in their past 2 games.
The Rangers are plaing back to back coming off a 6-1 thrashing of the Maple Leafs.
Cristobal Huet gets the start again between the pipes.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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December 30, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Well i get a kick out you guys that want kovalev,koivu and huet gone.I must be on acid or watching a different montreal canadiens hockey team because when we play good its normally those guys who make it happen,wether its drawing a penalty,making a nice play or making a nice save, these guys are worth more than one power foward,if we did that we would end up lookin like tampa or washington a bottom ranked team depending on the player not the team.
December 30, 2007 at 2:30 pm
I have to agree with habsofthefuture. One look at Atlanta, Washington, Tampa, or even Pittsburgh will show you that spending too much money signing a big name will get your team nowhere fast. Gainey gets a lot of criticism, some of it deservedly so, but he’s being smart about building a team of young committed talented and passionate players who want to stay here. Look at the Stanley Cup winners for the last 10 years. There’s an obvious recipe for success that emerges.
1/ Solid goaltending
2/ A couple of marquee talents, but no real superstars
3/ A solid group of utility players who will play their hearts out and put their bodies on the line in exchange for ice time.
The Habs are closer than most people think to having all the right pieces for a serious playoff run. By serious I mean not just making the playoffs in 7 or 8th spot and dying out in the 1st or 2nd round. We just need maybe 1 power forward.
1 tough guy who can play hockey wouldn’t hurt either. I’m tired of seeing our players mugged on the ice and Komisarek being the only one that can say anything about it with his fists. That’s not his role to play, he’s a big kid but he’s gonna get really hurt and we can’t afford to lose a star defenceman.
GO HABS GO
December 30, 2007 at 4:13 pm
anyone know why Corey Locke was called up today? Chipchura is in to cover for Streit who had to move back to D to cover for yesterdays injury to O’Byrn ( spelling?)
December 30, 2007 at 5:03 pm
I just read about Locke, I have no idea though. Good analysis by bbr 4ever; the Habs have done it before with no major superstars. You never know, maybe we’ll surprise some people this spring!
December 30, 2007 at 6:08 pm
hABSOFTHEFUTURE,the reasons I mentioned Kovelev ,Ryder and Huet are simple: 1) Kovalev is having a very good year,but not so good last year.Anywho,he’s got a new contract coming to him and he ain’t getting youger,so…..2)Ryder ??????????? who cares!3)Huet’s stock has gone up nicly in a N.h.l. with a good goalie shortage and we already have two very good up and comers in Price and Halak ,neither who I would like to see traded (AND with Halak rumored to be asking for a trade)whats a G.M. to do?Plus again new contract are in store for Huet and Ryder,so how much more are they asking???Anyone think less??? NOT I SAY’S ME.
December 30, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Maybe koivu’s out for locke???????????????????????????
December 30, 2007 at 8:35 pm
yep,Koivu is gone and Kovalev is wearing the C for today.
December 30, 2007 at 9:39 pm
It’s funny, Locke couldn’t make it to the game.lol
December 30, 2007 at 10:36 pm
WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPEND TO THE GAME????????????????????????????????????????????
December 30, 2007 at 10:39 pm
How do you spell an overtime or shoutout loss? HUET IN GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you can into a defensive style play for the entire 3rd period and expect to win????????????
The habs tried to protect ONLY A 1 GOAL LEAD and played NOT to lose, instead of trying to win! They just never learn their lesson. every time they try and protect a lead, THEY LOSE!
December 30, 2007 at 10:46 pm
The Habs and Huet can not and will not win no more than 2 games in a row for the rest of the year.
Habs Please prove me wrong……..I dare you…..
December 30, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Even though Shanahan was given a gift breakaway by Souray,I mean Hamerlicker,when nearing Huet…did Huet even move?Me thinks Huet’s getting tired again and I aways get that feeling when he looks like a picture of himself ,froozen in net with those deer in your headlite’s look.
December 30, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Relax all of the above. Hamerlicker? Souray? You’re actually gonna bash our best defenceman? As for Huet, not a great goal, but he’s our best goalie right now and the reason we just won tow in a row. Look at the shots against and hi #1 save % in the league. Stop acting like the sky os falling after every loss. 8pts outta 12 on the road is pretty effin good so chill out chicken littles.
December 30, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Dancan81,it wasn’t Ryder that cost us the game it was Hammer,and Huet fell apart and it’s not his first time.Huet is no Brodure or Loungo,he’s a little above average that it thats all,and did I mention he can be a REAL CHOKE ARTIST!
December 31, 2007 at 12:30 am
this was a good road outing. Probably didn’t cash in on some opportunities that they have in the Florida area. And unfortunate that Huet didn’t respond maybe he was caught off guard by his team leaving Shanahan all alone. I would have liked to see him challenge but what can we do?? The part that the team played not to lose really upsets me and like usual they do lose/collapse. So mine as well go for the throat and try to win the game handedly.
Contracts for both Kovalev & Ryder….I would think that they are better to trade them than to resign both. Are they here for any longer time?? Do they make a dent in the future plans? I can’t see that and will Gainey. This is the time for a blockbuster trade. Shop them now, if they haven’t already.
Still a good effort but can’t play this way against Detroit, Anaheim, New Jersey, Ottawa, San Jose…The intensity and finishing off of goal opportunities is their achilles heel. Let’s go!! Gotta pick it up!! Go Habs Go!
December 31, 2007 at 12:38 am
Bottom line: this team always tries to protect a lead, rather than be aggressive, and try to win. THEY CONSTANTLY TRY NOT TO LOSE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO WIN! And that’s not something that comes with age or experience. It’s the coach’s fault! When you don’t play 60 minutes, you don’t win!
December 31, 2007 at 1:26 pm
as long as Gainey is GM here, don’t expect a trade of any magnitude – EVER!
December 31, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Nothing to do with Gainey habs2010. All to do with the tax rate in Mtl and the media, bottom line peeps dont want to play there.
December 31, 2007 at 4:13 pm
we can’t get UFA’s here, but there’s no reason why Gainey can’t make a trade!
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December 31, 2007 at 6:05 pm
I don’t know about a trade…when we’re playing well we’re really on fire and some of our young guys (Higgins, Latendress, at al) have some serious potential. Ryder is a liability right now but the past couple of games have been a bit better for him. Kovalev is the only real superstar we have right now, watching him puckhandle his way around the ice to make those great plays gives me heart.
Koivu was out tonight too; I saw we take our eight road points, hope for better then usual at home, and call it a day. We’ve got a few days to prep for Thursday’s game so we’ll see what happens.
January 2, 2008 at 12:01 am
Kovalev is having a good year, he has one every time his contract is due up,
the he slides back into oblivion.
I hope Bob doens’t fall for that, get rid of him while has some trade value.
January 2, 2008 at 12:45 am
To get something we have to have bait….that means Kovalev, Koivu, Halak & I wouldn’t necessarily go there but Huet in combination. Of course, this would mean we get something solid in return. What that is sits on Bob Gainey’s desk. I still say Marleau for Ryder or some combination. Include some stiffs (Smolinski, Brisebois, Dandenault, Bouillon) and strike the deal. Tampa’s ripe for the picking…goalie troubles and flimsy attack versus aggressive forchecking teams. Got to get in their face. Let’s go… Go Habs Go!!
January 2, 2008 at 8:51 am
Kovalev is still under contract for the 2008-2009 season. His contract has nothing to do with the way he is playing now.
January 2, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I’m all for a good stomping of Tampa tomorrow with a good show from some of our second and third liners. Throw in Huet with a top forward (Kovalev, Koivu, Higgins, Plekanec – take your pick) and we get Vinny
January 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm
This blog is making me pissed off,why would anybody want to trade a allstar goalie and one of our top guys for Vinny.Wake up guys it is not going to happen and nor should it happen.Price isnt ready yet and dont come back and say his performance in New york shows why we should get rid of him because even giguere kiprosoff and luongo even have there bad nights but the truth is he is a number goalie with top stats.
Ps Iam starting to think some of you guys have little shrines of vinny in your room,lit up with candles.
January 2, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Don’t get me wrong…having a big centre (Lecavalier) or anyone else for that matter is the missing piece. But it has to be someone with heart the likes of Beliveau, Howe, Hull, Esposito, Dornhoefer etc. These guys would not hesitate for the benefit of the team. Of the big guys around today, which would be available (the list gets smaller). Besides he fits the French issue and could become a superstar/legend status if he should ever lead the Habs to taste the Champagne off of Lord Stanley.
Thornton, Selanne, Datsuyk, Cammaleri (missed this one), Cole, E. Staal, Ovechkin, Crosby (either of the last two would be grand) could fit in….
how to make that happen is all another matter.
So nothing against shrines per say the Habs shrine but not until a player becomes a Hab does he get that attention from me.
Let’s go after Tampa….get those points now!!! Go Habs Go!!
January 2, 2008 at 10:20 pm
wow, I sort of agree with you, but I actually don’t think Tampa would trade Vinnie for Huet and one of our forwards, because that would be retarded. He is one of the top 5 players in the world. Huet is good, but he’s going to be a UFA. What needs to be debated is what type of trade its should be. What if the status quo remains and in a couple of months the Habs are among the large glut of teams separated by 6 points, are they buyers or sellers? To land a big name player it will have to be a package deal (we have youth on our side), or we sell off Kovalev, Hamrilik, and/or Ryder. What would you do?
January 3, 2008 at 1:56 am
With the D they have in Tampa Huet wouldn’t last a week!