Bruins/Habs 2009 Playoffs: Game3
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Without a doubt it is do or die for the Habs. Will the home crowd push the Habs over the edge to get back in the series?
3-0 deficit’s are virtually impossible to overcome. It’s now or never.
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- Senet1 : Not counting Markov if he plays. If we trade or let go of our UFA defenceman then we will need at least three D-men, I would like a good look at Nash to see if he can play at this level. If not he is gone, I do not think any of our other defensive prospects are ready quite yet. Our junior and college players should be coming on stream for Hamilton next year so we will get to see how much they have developed and whether any are ready for the big time.
- Senet1 : While I agree we have quite a few players that could be made available, I do not see a need to make wholesale changes only the necessary one. obviously Gomez, Gionta, AK46(if he will not sign) I keep our top line of Cole, Pacman and David. I keep Eller and Leblanc, Blunden, Bourque, probably Plecanec unless we can really improve on his positin. I keep PK, Emelin, Gorges, Diaz and Naturally Price. Probably Budaj. That basically gives us two functional line and two sets of defence, not counting
- goalie : Great to see Pacs gets su=ome success after the devestating dirty check last season that could have paralyzed him for life.
- goalie : Given ho the team has played this season one thing in our favor is that we pretty much need to clean house. Other than about 6-7 guys everyone else would be available in my mind.
- goalie : After how the tes]am has
- Avatar37 : Apparently only one offer for Carter on the low side so far, I think Montreal would be foolish not to investigate the possibility of a trade for him, and if there is low interest, the deal might be able to include moving Gomez. Gomez/Darche/Cam poli and a third round pick? Maybe not, but I'd be in serious talks with Columbus right about now.
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- Avatar37 : for him had we held on to him until now and created a bidding war. There are more buyers than sellers currently on the market and it would have been the perfect time to have traded him.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - I'm not sure how we could have obtained more for Halak. We showcased him, everyone knew he was available for trade, and in the end, we took the best offer. Any asset is only worth what a purchaser will pay for it. The Halak trade wasn't like the Cammalleri trade where you had GMs afterwards saying they didn't even know he was on the market. The Halak trade was done properly, the Cammelleri trade was a knee-jerk panic move, and while my opinion is that we could have received more
- Avatar37 : I saw the game, the Islanders first goal came from a shot that was clearly above the height of the crossbar. How is it possible for a play to go to review where they have the advantage of mulitple camera angles and the ability to pause and they STILL get the call wrong?
- goalie : I agree don't get dilusional over our three game winning streak. Changes MUST be made. I am however, glad to see the effort being put forth by the players.
- Mats Naslund : I just went to capgeek to see who the Avalanche might be dealing for a rental - and I see they have only 6 players signed for next season!!! There are a couple young D men on that squad who are RFAs who would do very nicely next season.
- Mats Naslund : One thing I know - the 3 game winning streak had better not get PG thinking about holding onto guys for a PO run. Trade them, build the value and move on to next year.
- Mats Naslund : How about Max Pac though.. 21 goals and on pace for 65 points this year. That is absolutely monster for a guy at his age/experience and especially coming after a horrific injury. Huge cornerstone moving forward. On pace for 33 goals.. could he get 35?
- Mats Naslund : Didn't get to see it either - and while I don't really care about the win, I am very glad that Gomez scored so we don't have to endure all of the negativity in the media about him for the rest of the year. He still su@ks, but at least it won't be a topic every shift he takes.
- goalie : Didn't get to see the game at all but it's great to see Pacs get a hat trick and fpor Cole to be + 3. When was the last time this team won three games in a row? Great victory -looks like they're giving 100% effort!
- Senet1 : 4-2 win habs
- Senet1 : Gomez scores, Yea!!!
- goalie : As I said yesterday it will be interesting to see what our lame ass GM gets for players he ships out. Bourque is good and he'll help us but I still think we could have gotten more for him and for Halak when he was traded.
- Avatar37 : round those picks occur (probably 3rd).
- Avatar37 : An interesting article. If we slip to the 5th or 7th draft pick, a very interesting case could be made for drafting Galchenyuk. If we wind up with the second or third pick, I'm not sure who I'd draft, because clearly Yakupov is going to be drafted first overall. Our second round pick also becomes interesting, I know I'd take Vasilevski if he were still available. It will also be interesting to see if we can turn some of our veteran players (Moen, Gill, Campoli) into draft picks, and what
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- Avatar37 : That is why PG should have waited on trading Cammalleri. Right now, there is a high demand for a top 6 forward, we could have gotten much more than Bourque in return. That isn't a knock against Bourque, but a knock against a knee-jerk reaction trade that didn't maximize our return on a top asset.
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- Avatar37 : chips fall where they may. After all, the only difference between finishing 17th and 29th is how good a pick you get in the draft.
- Avatar37 : We currently sit in 26th place in the league. We are 15 points ahead of Columbus, it's safe to bet at this point they will place last. We are, however, only 4 points ahead of Edmonton so it's still wide open as to who is going to finish second last. I still think that it's time to sit the veterans, play the youth, let them get experience, and regroup for next year. I'm not suggesting deliberately tanking like the Penguins, but give all our young players lots of playing time and let the c
- Avatar37 : goalie - If it were not for the play of Cammalleri, we would never have made it out of round 1. Cammalleri played as big a part, if not bigger, than Halak did. Sure, Halak played well, but remember the team collapsed in front of him, making his job much easier. We had lots of blocked shots and the ones that got through were typically from the outside.
- Senet1 : Goalie you are absolutely right, of course the one thing we had the two previous years that won the games that we are losing this year was our power play. If you look at say 10 games that we should have won had we had a similar power play, again we would not be having these conversations. When your PP goes from first to last in the league that is a lot of goals.How many games have we lost this year by one goal. Again poor management who did not prepare for Markov's possible absence.
- goalie : I'll put it another way.... we need more players who are willing to get their noses dirty.
- goalie : Two years ago when our goaltending stole series adn our players suddenly scored the coaches / GM believed that that was our true team . Well time has proven that was not. Though I was very glad to see the Habs knock off some very good teams we were very fortunate. And fortunate that spring was spelled HALAK!
- goalie : The wrst mistake management could possibly make I believe is to say, we played well some games and we believe the team can play to that level more often in the future. This team CANNOT adnb DOES NOT play to a high enough level. Please do not kid yourself mamngement. hat is partially why we're in the lace we are.
- goalie : Senet is correct when he says that if we had more games with a better efort this year we'd likely be in the playoffs. It has been very inconsistent effort but much more than that. We lack big, tough playing and finishing. Never mind fighting for a moment. We did not compete for the pucks nor along the boards nor in front of both nets enough this year. Thus we are in 29th. If the coaching staff doesn't see that then they shouldn't be there.
- Senet1 : Surely Molson is not going to keep him as the GM?
- Senet1 : when he knows he will be fired at the end of the season. Nothing really makes since in this whole process.
- Senet1 : I am not sue why PG has not been fired by now. They could be waiting for another GM to come available at season end, but why would you not set up a committee to manage the team in the short run until a new GM can be named. There is no since in chaning coaches because whoever the GM is he will want to name his own coach. Gainey and a committe of other executives can manage the team through to the trading deadline and onward. What motivation does PG have to making any worthwhile trades when he is
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April 20, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I’m not so convinced that the home crowd will be that much of a factor in this series. In fact, I’m not overly convinced that it’s ever that much of a factor at all. To win tonight, the Habs will have to make the most of their offensive opportunities, and that would include getting the first goal, in my opinion. When they play with the lead, they tend to play with more confidence all the way around and minimize defensive catastrophies. But when they fall behind, they tend to fall apart.
As to goals, Halak will probably play well enough for them to win if they can score three or four times tonight. One or two goals, on the other hand, and I think it’ll be over. Boston has got all the confidence in the world right now and their offense if clicking.
Having said that, I, for one, am not overly optmistic about their chances. They’ve simply been a weak and fragile team for far too long now. And regardless of last season, regardless of the first half of this one, this appears to have now become their identity.
Here’s hoping for what at least I consider to be a miracle…
April 20, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Absolutely Classless… Booing the National Anthem.. Last time the low-lifes did that, in Boston, a few tried to do it, but got snuffed out by the Cheers for O Canada…
April 20, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Just in case your disapproval missed anyone’s attention in the ShoutBox?
April 20, 2009 at 8:38 pm
LOL Ray77= Anal Admiral
April 20, 2009 at 9:29 pm
This would come from the Rectal Server…
April 20, 2009 at 9:31 pm
******? Darn near killed ‘em..
April 20, 2009 at 9:54 pm
He has the mental capacity of a twelve year old.
April 20, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Once again the Habs have folded. At Christmas we had one of the best teams in the league. Then, as the going got tougher and the players QUIT on Carbonneau and the Habs began to fold. Gainey IS NOT getting much more out of the Habs than Guy did. Is it a question of player character???
Why have we drafted players that don’t shop up when the games get tough (and I don’t mean simply fighting)!
Why are their former Hab players (Sourray, Riebiero, Ryder, etc. etc.) who play MUCH better on their new team than they did as a Hab? Why do their new coaches get more out of them?
The Habs need to do more rebuilding and have a LONG look at how they draft. They need MORE size, bigger centres and tougher defence. I don’t want to hear that there are only so many players to go around the league. Other teams have toughness… but not the Habs.
What happened to Price? He came in as a very confident young goalie and played really well. He was very likely the best graduating junior goalie in the world at that time. Now he LOOKS PETRIFIED and scared to play. I have serious doubts whether Carey will ever regain his confidence in a Habs uniform? You might want to try and trade him in the summer for a 25 – 28 year old, somewhat experienced goilie while Price’s value ios probably pretty high.
It might be time to clean house…. new GM, new coach, re-examine scouts and scouting. I’d bet that Bob Gainey goes to the Wild again as GM.
I’d really like to see the Habs seriously challenge for the Cup in the near future. Can this happen?
HABS FANS and the city of Montreal DESERVE MORE!Unfortunately the fans have become so frustrated they reverted to bopoing this year. Does management not hear this?
April 21, 2009 at 10:44 am
Still say Price should not have started this series….not crapping on him, he may, over the next few years, form into the goalie everyone thought he was now. Unfortunately, we now know that not to be true….his lack of effort, after and during game antics, and non-shalont demeaner is showing he is still a kid, and not a top notched NHL goalie. So, hopefully it will come as he grows. Not saying he is the reason we’re losing, although it’s not helping, but Halak should have started based on attitude alone.
Frustration has a Habs fan has to be growing also. You look at the cup winner Gainey put together in Dallas and gotta think “is this squad the best he can do”? We have 3 lines of 3rd and 4th liners…barely good enough to make the playoffs, let alone win a series. Last nights game was another shining example of what was going on all year…come out hard in the 1st and by the 3rd, go off very quietly into the night. This is either lack of conditioning or lack of effort, either one being unacceptable.
So, is it the coaching, the players, the players available, Gainey himself, the owners, or just the politics in Montreal that deems what players should be here? Seems to me that we will draw from Russia, Finland, anywhere in Europe and even the U.S as long as we limit Canadians not from Quebec. Your heart, your grit, your desire to win, thats where that comes from. Get a big prairie boy, who wears his heart on his sleeve. And don’t tell me thats not how it is…we publically went after 2 guys these last 2 years…Briere and Lecavaier, and just signed Dany Masse for 3 years. All from Quebec. The backyard rule ended decades ago, its really time to get on board with the rest of the league. I dont think the fans and media in Montreal really care now if the primary language of some guys on the team is English, as long as we get the best possible players to make this team a winner again. If they do still care, then having a gutless, heartless, unskilled, non-devoted team like we have now is probably what they deserve. Sad for all the rest of the Hab fans around the this country though. What will this summer hold? Don’t get too excited just yet…until this primative system of drafting is abandoned, our strides forward will be very limited at best.
April 21, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Something very odd about this team…
It resembles the Ottawa Senators of several years ago in that it’s comprised mostly of, and has the personality of, smaller, skilled players. It has been well documented that this formula doesn’t work in this league anymore. Hence Ottawa’s moves to add some much needed grit and heart to their lineup over the past few years. Mind you, they’ve been a train wreck the last couple of seasons, but they did previously address their weaknesses and ended up going to the SCF as a result… where they still fell short in the grit and heart department, which Anaheim had plenty of. But the point is, why would any other organisation want to model Ottawa’s weaknesses/failures? It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
There is a formula for success in the NHL. It isn’t a complex one either. A strong core group consisting of a big centreman (or two if you can), a big defensemen, and consistent goaltending (ideally consisting of a seasoned veteran and a young talent); a couple of skilled wingers; a powerplay quarterback; and gritty role players. Add to that a coach with a solid system that he can get all of his players to buy into and voila… you’ve got as good a chance as anyone.
Well, easy enough on paper I realise, but you still have to be able to acquire all of the necessary ingredients, which isn’t as easy. But, what baffles me about the Canadiens is the obvious fact that they failed to go after many of these ingredients. Lang, Tanguay and Laraque, although welcomed additions at the time, didn’t address the weaknesses which were expiosed last season. They got the right coach in Carbonneau, but they then provided him with a group of skilled players to try to bend to his will; a group of skilled players that dominated the team’s personality. It’s like trying to put the square wood block into a circular hole. It’ll never work. And while many will argue that there are only so many big centremen or big defensemen available, I failed to see a committed effort to acquire the ones which have been attainable. Further, I fail to see the logic in sending Huet packing, for instance – an able goaltender who could have mentored Price and filled in nicely where he struggled. Two points there, a point here. This alone could have made all the difference in the world, despite the illogical team makeup and shortfalls in other areas.
As it stands, the Habs are faced with the aftermath of one of their most disasterous season in recent memory, a garage sale this offseason and uncertainty surrounding the near future.
Didn’t anyone in this oprganisation feel that a bit of extra effort was in order given this team’s proud history and this being their season of celebration of that history? It certainly doesn’t appear so from where I’m sitting.
April 21, 2009 at 3:21 pm
i can’t say that i have been watching hockey long enough to write anything technical but for the couple of years i have been watching i would have to say the match ups between the bruins and canadians have got to be the best games to watch. You can tell from the crowd to the players the emotion and rivarly that lies between and having two avid b-fans in the house i have grown to respect that. I think it’s the bruins time to shine and they totally deserve the cup. Thomas deserves the goalie of the year and the bruins deserve to beat montreal on their home ice to shove it down the habs fans throats! What the f*** was that booing our national anthem. There’s canadian and american players on both sides. It’s just ridiculious and i for one will be watching with anticipation for Wednesday when the bruins finaly get revenge!!
April 21, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Well, Melissa, all I can tell you is that it has grown very tired reading about the business surrounding the national anthems. The fact of the matter is, there has been anthem booing in international sports across the board, and certainly on both sides of the US/Canadian border. It’s always a minority of fans that actually do the booing and it’s always ultimately done with harmless intentions. I attended a Leafs game at the ACC several years ago. They were hosting Detroit. I, a United States citizen, was excited to experience live NHL hockey in Canada, its birthplace. And when they began singing the US anthem the guy standing next to me booed with a whatever kind of smile on his face. I just looked at him and laughed because ultimately his intentions were benign. I could only guess that he was booing because a) it was politically incorrect to do so, b) it was an expression of healthy competition between the US and Canada (this is after all sports, for crying out loud), c) he didn’t agree with some of our politics affecting Canada to one degree or another, D) he had a bad experience with US tourists in Toronto, E) he was upset by the lack of appreciation for Canada’s desire to help us in times of crisis, F), G), H), I), J)… whatever other silly reason that one can think of.
The point is, booing an anthem is not an act of war. It’s not a vicious attack of any kind. While it is a little classless, it’s ultimately harmless. But like I said, there’s no good side in thus as it most certainly has and will continue to occur amonst minorities of fans on both sides.
The armed response, on the other hand, is what’s concerning. Seeking out a random web site or blog populated by some of the opposing team’s fans for the mere purpose of voicing your displeasure with something as insignificant as anthem booing is actually worse than the anthem booing itself. Further, considering that no one here–a relatively peaceful hockey blog frequented by what I consider to be decent human beings–was actually at the game, let alone booing. This is akin to pointing a gun into absolute darkness and shooting it aimlessly, hitting the first person to walk in front of it. So who’s the agressor here?
April 21, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Hey Melissa, i am looking for a cute little ball licker tonight, you could be her.
April 21, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Further on the topic on team makeup, I never properly examined Boston’s lineup before. The Boston Bruins are: 15 Canadian born players, 4 US born players and 3 European born players.
In contrast, the Montreal Canadiens are: 12 Canadian born players, 3 US born players and 8 European born players.
Interestingly enough, the Detroit Red Wings have 13 European born players. So is it the actual makeup of the team or is it the coaching and system that determines the end result? Of course, one could also argue who those players are. Perhaps Montreal’s woes are a simple case of being mislead by certain players earlier on. Perhaps not.
April 21, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Well it looks like I was wrong, we’re not winning this series in 5, it’ll have to go seven
I just thought the first 15 minutes yesterday were going to be the 300 minutes of the series. It seems odd that we can skate over a team for 3/4 of a period at a time and not be able to match up the rest of the way.
We are being out-positioned, especially in the neutral zone; but I kinda suspected that, Julien is my favorite Xs and Os guy in the league. Is it just me, or does it seem, when our D play puck support we play like the better team. Then they start dropping back, creating gaps, and we spend too much time in our own zone. We seem to be above average in the O zone and below average in our own. Last year we were very good at quickly clearing our zone so it looks like teams have figured out something in our defensive clearing scheme, or our D are making passes to the point instead of the forwards (see goal one last night).
So its Halak tomorrow; you can’t get swept with one goalie, can you? I’m not sure it will make a positive difference, but he’ll at least be given a chance.
Can we maintain offensive pressure the whole game or is that even what coach (Muller) wants? Even if we play great will Thomas steal one (good goalies do that, he hasn’t had to yet). Either way, the fat lady is warming up her vocal cords, backs are to the wall, golf clubs and brooms are being readied.
I’m cheering tomorrow, it maybe the last time for a while for THE team that boils my blood, one way or another.
P.S. guys, be gentle to those mal-adjusted trolls. Imagine having no other purpose in life! Sad. (oops, that didn’t start out trying to be mean, I just feel very sorry for them)
April 21, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Joseph that was a good observaation, about the team make up, Good teams generally have a good mix of skill, speed, toughness and goaltending. The reason why Boston has not been successful in the past is because they had too much toughness and not enough skilled players. Now it seems they added skill in Savard and Bergeron, toughness and grit has always come easy to the organization so all in all they have the right formula to win. Whether they have enough to win it all, personally I do not think they have the goaltending or the defence to win. As long as they can play in the other teams end they can win, but even the Habs have exploited them at times and only our poor shooting skills have failed us. We have never been able to get any momentum in this series because we can not get up two goals. We always seem to make those momentum breakers like some stupid penalty or pass that causes us a goal and the game swings to Boston. Unfortunately, the skilled players that you would want to build a team around are all older players and will be gone to FA this year. We have no star players that can take over this team. It looked like we were grooming some last year but they all turned out to be duds this year. Maybe they can turn it around but probably not in Montreal. So to me what we have is a good solid #3 and 4th line. A good solid #3 and #4 defenceman and a good solid #2 goalie no matter which one we keep. So that means we have to go out and get an allstar centreman, and allstar winger for the first line. We need to go out an get a solid big strong 2nd line centre and two western boys who like to hit but have the skill needed to play this game. Gone are Koivu, Kovalev, Komesarek at least through FA, none of them will wnat to come back next year. Weber looked good but he is too small to carry this team from the blueline. A couple more juniors may be ready to play next year especially if we loose too many players.
April 21, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Well, Senet1, a rebuild is certainly in order as it will obviously take a little time to acquire all of the players you’ve mentioned. At least the right ones.
I agree with your take on the current team all the way around and, as funny as it seems, I would be all for building around the 3rd and 4th lines. I’m not so sure that we’ll get our wish but a daunting task lies ahead for this team either way.
April 22, 2009 at 9:17 am
i honestly didn’t mean to personally offend anyone on this blog so my apologies for that but i am allowed my opinion and that’s what blogs ultimately are for. i honestly think both teams are great i just like to rouse the canadian fans as i’m sure it’s done on the other end. And just for the record i didn’t go to seek out a “Habs” fan blog for the sole purpose of bashing. I have been on related blogs for a long time. Both for support of my teams, ect. And as for the “ball licker” guy, i’m sure you would love me to “lick ur balls” but i’m sure this is the only way you get anything of ur’s licked!! and this just goes to show the “classiness” of montreal fans!!!!
April 22, 2009 at 9:31 am
One question I would love to ask Gainey, if indeed I’d get a truthful answer…..”Why does this team give up altogether in the 3rd period of games?”
Been doing it all year….it stands out and look ridiculous and embarrasing to anyone watching the game. This is the playoffs, you’re supposed to be fighting for your lives down 2 games to nil, you’re at home, you need the crowd behind you, and for some reason just stop trying. You get 5 shots on net, just to sink the truth home that “WE SURRENDER!!!”
And don’t anyone start on me about injuries…with no injuries we still played like this for the better part of the season…also, with or without these injuries, the guys that are left still shoulkd have the skill and drive to play much better and harder than they have been.
So……..why do we surrender in 3rd periods? It’s the attributes or a gutless, spineless, team with no drive, OR this is the poorest conditioned team in the entire NHL…again either option being no where near satisfactory.
I said on here before this series that I didn’t expect to beat the B’s this season….but what I wanted was for this team to go down fighting with their very last breath…you can’t even get that from this bunch…makes it so hard to cheer for this bunch….worse Habs team I can ever remember seeing on the ice. Even the Blues last night played their hearts out to try and stay alive…the Blues!!!…and with all the history in Montreal, we go out on our knees? This team is a disgrace to Habs teams of the past, the city of Montreal, and all the Hab fans around the globe. Disgusting season from a team full of quitters. Need malor moves this summer…Happy 100.
April 22, 2009 at 10:43 am
Just because a guy wants his nuts licked it does not mean i have no class. I was only throwing it out there for you just in case you wanted to. You should thank me for being such a gentleman……Anyways the offer is still on the table. Call me
April 22, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Fair enough, Melissa. It’s just that the nonsense about the anthem (talk about an insecure culture, by the way) has been visited and revisited ad nauseum throughout the years. So I guess I mistakenly lumped you in with the ignorant hypocrites who come here and throw their stones from glass houses. My apologies if this was the case.
But on the topic of classless, an American East Indian girl I knew in university had to go to Boston with her father, a university professor, for a conference. They went to a restaurant while they were there and were told that they had to leave as the restaurant didn’t serve ‘their kind’. Absolutely true story.
Ah well, enough of all of this.
April 28, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Melssa, from your comments you must be a class act? But maybe you should stick to what you know and it sounds like you are pretty good at it?