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With the Mats Sundin drama over and the rather unexpected signing of Robert Lang, how will the new Canadiens look when they hit the ice October 10th?
Who makes the roster? Who plays with who? Does the addition of Lang cancel out any slim chance of a rookie making the team?
A surplus of talent is a good problem to have, where do the pieces all fit?
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- goalie : If Rangers get swept I wonder if Tortorella will get his walking papers? Or Glen Sather? They have tons of 'talent' but zero wins in this series.
- goalie : It's really too bad we lost to the Sens as we would have played the Rangers and the way NYR are playing we would have beat them too. If only. If only!
- Senet1 : Actually I agree it was a good move for them to play a shorter season and get the experience. He could not have played in the minors this year he would have had to play junior or the NHL. However, he now has a year under him and knows what to expect next year and hopefully take a bigger responsibility on the team. Did you see those two goals in the bronze game? Wow.
- muller93 : Good move by the Habs not having Galchenyuk play in the minors. Now Galchenyuk has 1 year in the NHL and playoff experience this is going to pay off big time come next year.
- Senet1 : Galchenyuk scores to back to back goals in shoot out to help USA win Bronze metal. I did not see the second goal but the first was a beauty.
- Senet1 : So we could pick anywhere from 25th to 23rd depending on who wins these quarter final series.
- Senet1 : First, is the 14 teams in the lottery. Then there are 12 teams that did not make the semi finals in the order of the seasonal finish, Then there are the four teams in the semi final the first two eliminated pick in the order of the regular season points total and the last two based on who wins and who loses the cup. So as it stand now if say Detroit beats Chicago then Detroit moves up to pick after us. Boston or NYR will move up and pick after us. LA or San Jose will move up and pick after us
- Senet1 : Basically, I was wrong about the draft pick situation. There are three groups of drafting teams within the 30 teams.
- Senet1 : seriously ready to challenge for the cup. He will us win games but he will not be the difference between winning the cup and not winning the cup. You pick up players like that once you have the team ready to challenge,.
- Senet1 : I am looking at the players to draft and there are a lot of big 6'3-6'5 forwards available ion the draft this year. If we could draft 3-4 big young players in the 2nd and 3rd round why would you want to give that up for a roster player who may have 2-3 years at best. If we are going to build a winner to have to build it with bigger players and there are a lot of good big players available this year. So you sign Ott and he is with us for the short run, but probably not when we are seriously re
- Senet1 : Boullion is a great mentor for the young D-men
- muller93 : Boullion is one of MBs great additions--Boull ion is a definite Keeper.
- muller93 : Getting rid of Kaberle frees up a lot of cash. Boullion is small but is reliable and doesn't back down from anyone.
- muller93 : Exactly Goalie any thoughts on a punishing D-man?
- goalie : They;re showing determination adn skill vs Ducks and Blackhawks.
- goalie : REd Wings could turn out to be the surprise team of this year's playoffs!
- goalie : WE need to rid our team of Kaberle and Webber. Step two would be to then move Diaz. If we get that big d-man I believe that would push Boullion to # 7 on the chart. We'd then go with Georges, PK,Markov (to continue mentoring Ememlin) Tinordi as our starting six . THEN I'd be excited about our chances. We could then work on getting bigger forwards.
- goalie : I too would gladly give up a 3rd round pick for Ott- the type of player we sadly lack. AND if we could get one more rugged, expeienced defenceman it would help immensely.
- muller93 : Senet what you are saying makes sense but if we can get Ott for a 3rd round I'll take that all day.
- muller93 : MB should be looking at a big D-man first, even though I like our blue line with the addition of Tinordi. We need that insurance just in case one gets injured. Also I'm a firm believer in starting with the goalie first then-defense-for wards-and we already have good goalie. We have all noticed when we have the lead Price is tough to beat.
- Senet1 : So sometimes you have to sacrifice for one year or two to build that team in the draft. then add the finishing touches through FA and trades.
- Senet1 : Muller, Detroit is another good example. They have been in the hunt every year with good well balanced teams yet only one or two cups to show for it. However, they have built a team that has a chance every years for the last 10+ years. That is what I think we have a chance to do this year with a good draft. It reminds me of the habs teams of the mid 80 and 90's we built a team then with sold draft picks and won the cup twice during that time period. So sometimes you have to sacrifice a one
- muller93 : Very true Senet, you do need luck and we haven't had any luck it seems since the habs moved to the Bell Center. We had an incredible run in 2010 with some crazy goal tending from Halak. With Galchenyuk-Tinor di-Gallagher all in 1 year--not too bad, even with an early exit in the playoffs.
- Senet1 : Muller I guess we all have our own ideas, but there has never been too many times that were successful when they traded their draft picks away. We have a chance to build this team so we have a shot at winning the cup over the next 10 years. Even as good as Pittsburgh has been they have only won the cup once since Crosby and Malkin have been with the team. That is because you not only need great players but you need luck to win, but one thing about Pittsburgh they have a chance every year. The
- muller93 : Good point on Torres, he might be a liability. Torres has to tone it down a bit, but that's his game-very aggressive.
- goalie : Though I don't condone what Raffi Torres did - thos shows you how repeat offenders or near offenders are going to be treated. His hit was NOT illegal BUT what the rap sheet adn reputation Torres has he got severly punished. Lesson to be learned by OTHER players because Torres dopesn't learn fromk his mistakes.
- muller93 : Senet normally I would agree with you on not trading draft picks but we are not in a rebuilding stage. Sometimes draft picks can be a roll of the dice and it can take up to 3 years to be NHL ready. We have a good team and I agree with Stuo players like Clowe-Torres-Ott -Scott will make a big difference. Somebody has to protect Gallagher, he can't keep getting hit the way does--we need a tough forward so they think twice before going after Gallagher.
- Senet1 : Really a heathly Habs team would probably win more games against the Pens that we did against the Sens. Reason they Pens would not play as physical against us as against the Sens. If we get good goaltending we win at least two games.
- zpezada4ok : hello all «link»
- stuo11 : hes a tougher big guy too! Just a minor adjustment but will help a bit
- stuo11 : hes better than markov, and hes french who was in mention for defenceman of the year
- goalie : Markov for Beauchemin - an injury prone d-man for an ;old timer'd-man. Beauchemin is NOT what the Habs need in my opinion. He is a HUGE defensive liability.
- goalie : Stuo 11 I'd make that trade with Oilers fast BUT I doubt the Oilers will make that. Two marginal d-men at the best for a switch of first round picks - not a chance .
- stuo11 : markov for beachemin?
- stuo11 : let moen go
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September 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm
to tell u the truth I have been drinking, and It might sound stupid, but I just have a bad feeling but now that I think about it even with the injuries our lines are still almost as good as Pittsburgh’s so yea, sorry about my post. but If we do get a lot of injuries, I hope It’s during the season and not playoffs lol
September 26, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Here’s the linup tonight according to http://www.habsinsideout.com
Andrei Kostitsyn – Tomas Plekanec – Alex Kovalev
Max Pacioretty – Ben Maxwell – Sergei Kostitsyn
Gregory Stewart – David Desharnais – Matt d’Agostini
Steve Bégin – Maxim Lapierre – Tom Kostopoulos
Andrei Markov – Ryan O’Byrne
Josh Gorges – P.K. Subban
Alex Henry – Yannick Weber
Jaroslav Halak and Marc Denis are the goaltenders.
So they have the #1 line back together (notice Kovy is back from his minor groin injury) , and line 2 could be our future #1 line in 3 years or so. These defense pairings interest me as well….this should be a good game to watch.
September 26, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Is this exhibition game on TV or the net tonight?
September 26, 2008 at 8:29 pm
I would like to know what so many of you have against Crosby. He is a great player, and far more mature than you give him credit for, when he was 18 he did not have a choice he was told to live with Mario. How many young players who have great potential screw up their lives with booze etc because they have no supervision. I expect he will be making a move sometime this year to finding a place with one of his buddies. But lets face it if it had not been for Crosby, Pittsburg would not have won any games against Detroit. He proved his was the more playoff ready player when it came time for the big show too bad the rest of his team did not show up.
September 26, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Stuo11; The habs pre-season schedule is crazy. This is just a way for the organizations to make money by selling tickets. I think Carbo is just protecting his players who have minor twinges. If this was regular season I think most [if not all] the injuries would disappear. Plus, I agree with pactum, we have depth to ride out MINOR injuries. Anyway, I’m a sports fan like you; and there is no way to be a sports fan without being a little {a LITTLE?} superstitious; so please, no more talk of injuries – except about other teams
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BTW, I think Ottawa has done interesting things on defense, have real grinding 3rd and 4th lines. If their big guns can score, they could return to previous form. Their Achilles heel remains between the pipes. They could use Halak
September 26, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I wonder what kind of career Alexandre Daigle would have had if he had a mentor like Mario Lemieaux?? Get off his case some guys make the move when they are ready and maybe he feels comfortable under Mario’s roof or maybe Mario still wants him there?
September 26, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Well with Buffalo and Toronto not looking too good, I expect that Ottawa and Boston will be a close second and third behind our habs. Boston will be much better this year with more scoring punch and therefore harder to beat. Ottawa will have enough talent to stay close.
September 26, 2008 at 9:39 pm
whoops i meant tomorrow’ roster, not tonight….the game is on tsn2 if you get that
September 27, 2008 at 1:33 am
Yeah, well Murray Wilson was saying that tough Ottawa D I was talking about just looked slow tonight [just one game, but I'm not losing sleep over Ottawa's problems]. Both Boston and Philly are a concussion away from misery. Its really sad to say, but that is one injury that never really goes away.
September 27, 2008 at 2:11 pm
hey guys. Im currently in the process of writing for a website about the canadiens rivalry with the bruins. Im trying to pick the top 2 habs goaltenders of all-time to write about. Im having trouble picking between Patrick Roy, Ken Dryden, and Jacques Plante. I was wondering if you guys could let me know who you think is the best montreal canadiens goaltender of all time.
September 27, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Tom
count the cups
September 27, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Roy & Plante
Roy is the best of all-time out of all the goalies and Brodeur is the only one that can challenge that….he changed the way goalies play the game today. And Plante, the guy dominated his era….nobody even came close. 6 cups in 10 years with the Habs. First goaltender to play the puck outside of the crease and probably best leader of the 3.
September 27, 2008 at 11:17 pm
guys, I say alot of stupid things, after I comment, I always regret 5 minutes later(what the **** am I thinking) I usually just get a little too worried, but yeah even with our injuries Ottawa over Montreal? get out of here!lol Montreal is oging to win the cup this year.
September 27, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I wonder how long until Lang picks up the team’s work ethic?
Tom: that’s a tough question. Why two? Dryden has the most impressive stats, Plante has the most cups, and Roy did more than either Dryden or Plante to change the way that goalies play hockey. Plante invented the mask, but Roy invented the way that all current NHL goalies play the game.
Really hard to say. I agree with alias about Roy, for sure, b/c Roy was the only one of the three who won the Stanley Cup virtually single-handed–he didn’t have the team in front of him that Dryden and Plante had. Just MHO.
September 28, 2008 at 12:01 am
plus roy is the only player…not just goalie, player….to win 3 conn smythe’s. Plante also revolutionzed the game with the mask like groundworking said, and being the first to play the puck changing once again, the way goaltender’s play the game. No longer could the goalie be the worst skater on the team, he had to be able to skate and control the puck well. Dryden may have the better stats but stats are hard to go by when comparing players from different era’s. Looking at a goalie who played in the high scoring 80′s will look much worse on paper than a goalie playing in 03-04 when scoring was at its lowest point since 1955-56. Plante has 7 Vezina’s to Dryden’s 5, he is the only one of the 3 to win a Hart trophy. While Dryden was a great tender, he is 3rd on this list.
September 28, 2008 at 9:38 am
Yeah, I agree with Alias. Tough question though.
September 28, 2008 at 10:52 am
Goalies:
There’s a trophy for goalies named after a pretty good one. Vezina was the first NHL goalie to record a shutout, to record a point, to win a cup with the Canadien. The Chicoutomi Cucumber was noted for his cool control of the game in a era when goalies were not allowed to go down to stop the play. This game of comparing eras is dangerous, but I feel we tend to overrate the current generation because they are bigger, play with incredibly advanced technology [not the least of which is ice-making], train endlessly; but most importantly ‘stand on the shoulders of giants’ [Isaac Newton] No Vezina- no Plante: no Plante, no Dryden: no Dryden- no Roy.
September 28, 2008 at 5:05 pm
I can’t wait for the playoffs to come, I wish I could just fast foward through time lol
September 28, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Firstly, I would agree with alias and pick Plante and Roy. but having the pleasure of actually seeing all three of these goalies in action, I would not agree that Roy changed the game more than Plante, true more goalies play the way Roy plays today but also if you consider that Plante did two very important things he brought the mask in for goalies of which not one would play without one today even if they were allowed to and he also was the first to leave his net and play the puck of which every goalie does today as well. Roy basically invented the butterfly style of goaltending, sometimes we tend to forget some of the old time goalies. You cannot compare atheletes from different generations but Plante had every bid as much influence on goaltending in his era as Roy did in his.
One other thing, if anyone of you watched 1970-1971 series between the Bruins and Habs you would not say that Roy was the only one you won the games single handled. Remember this was a team that had Orr, Espo and company and they totally dominated the Habs in almost every game yet they could not beat Dryden, because of his play he won the Conn Smythe trophy. Montreal had a good not great team that year, they were still building toward their four year run at the cup which did not start until 1976.
September 28, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Good Point and well said.
September 28, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Sorry I was commenting on Habknot goalies comments
September 30, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Lats hanging out in front of the net, looking good….this could be his year!
September 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Pacioretty is the man! he’s staying, no doubt about it. He’s got all the tools, skates. checks, scores, hits. Lapierre pack your bags! There’s a new guy taking your place. But perhaps Begin, Lats, or Dandy is being demoted. Anyways Pac is here to stay!
September 30, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Pacioretty should stay before at least 3 or 4 guys who are there now and were last year.
Good game tonight against Detroit. Price played awesome, alot of big names for both teams not there…ah well, wait for regular season.
October 1, 2008 at 8:43 am
problem is if Patches stays there’s no way he should be on the 4th line, that will not help his development at all [playing on a checking role and seeing 10 minutes or less a game. The best thing for him is ice time, and he may not see that in Montreal just yet. The only player he should be booting out is Latendresse. Patches-Lang-S.Kost would also be a sick line. Begin & Dandy were gonna be demoted anyways, and LaPierre only has Chipchura to worry about (which is a big worry now considering the pre-season Chips is having) In my mind there’s 2 battles…
Pacioretty vs. Latendresse
LaPierre vs. Chipchura
Weber is also making it tough, he could slide in there as well and has shown he could fill Streit’s shoes on the PP this year.
October 1, 2008 at 11:21 am
I agree with alias. He should not be playing on the 4th line of the habs, as he deserves 1st line on Hamilton, or even another NHL team, if a trade is worth it for them, but that I doubt. Latendresse is not improving at a very good pace, and I’ve heard that he’s lost a little weight to improve his speed.. but it is still not showing. I think that Chipchura is having a great pre-season as well, but I do NOT think that Yannick Weber should make the team. He made glaring mistakes last night in the game against Detroit and I think he would be great for Hamilton for this upcoming year. Also… where is Higgins in the pre-season? Haven’t seen him yet.
October 1, 2008 at 2:20 pm
In my mind there’s 2 battles…
Pacioretty vs. Latendresse
LaPierre vs. Chipchura
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve not been a big fan of Latendresse. I think he has to blossom early this year or they’ll either demote him or trade him. I don’t think Chipchura is ready either, though he might be at the half-way mark of the season.
In any case, it doesn’t seem to me that Latendresse or LaPierre are having the preseason that they need to have in order to stay on the team. I remember last year, though, that Lapierre started in the AHL and then worked hard to get back to the NHL. Does anyone else sense that he’s currently playing with a sense of entitlement?
Oh, and by the way, Brisebois will be on coaching staff by the first week of November. There’s no way he can keep up this year.
October 1, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I would reward Pacioretty for his good camp and keep him up for 8-10 games to see how he does against the big boys. If he proves he belongs then he is on one of the first three lines. Latendresse as I have said many times needs a wakeup call and needs to be sent down before he plays 8 more games to avoid waivers. I cannot give up on him just yet we have had this conversation too many times, you do not give up on a 20 year old power forward who is showing slow improvement. Generally the big guys tend to develop slower. If he is not showing signs of improvement in 2 years then we make the decision but not at 20 years old.
I keep chipchura and Lappiere and if anything I made a couple of guys to make room for them. Chipchura could go down and let him work his way back up as well.