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With the Mats Sundin drama over and the rather unexpected signing of Robert Lang, how will the new Canadiens look when they hit the ice October 10th?
Who makes the roster? Who plays with who? Does the addition of Lang cancel out any slim chance of a rookie making the team?
A surplus of talent is a good problem to have, where do the pieces all fit?
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- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
- Senet1 : I believe he will as we graducally put better players around him and build this team.
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September 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm
to tell u the truth I have been drinking, and It might sound stupid, but I just have a bad feeling but now that I think about it even with the injuries our lines are still almost as good as Pittsburgh’s so yea, sorry about my post. but If we do get a lot of injuries, I hope It’s during the season and not playoffs lol
September 26, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Here’s the linup tonight according to http://www.habsinsideout.com
Andrei Kostitsyn – Tomas Plekanec – Alex Kovalev
Max Pacioretty – Ben Maxwell – Sergei Kostitsyn
Gregory Stewart – David Desharnais – Matt d’Agostini
Steve Bégin – Maxim Lapierre – Tom Kostopoulos
Andrei Markov – Ryan O’Byrne
Josh Gorges – P.K. Subban
Alex Henry – Yannick Weber
Jaroslav Halak and Marc Denis are the goaltenders.
So they have the #1 line back together (notice Kovy is back from his minor groin injury) , and line 2 could be our future #1 line in 3 years or so. These defense pairings interest me as well….this should be a good game to watch.
September 26, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Is this exhibition game on TV or the net tonight?
September 26, 2008 at 8:29 pm
I would like to know what so many of you have against Crosby. He is a great player, and far more mature than you give him credit for, when he was 18 he did not have a choice he was told to live with Mario. How many young players who have great potential screw up their lives with booze etc because they have no supervision. I expect he will be making a move sometime this year to finding a place with one of his buddies. But lets face it if it had not been for Crosby, Pittsburg would not have won any games against Detroit. He proved his was the more playoff ready player when it came time for the big show too bad the rest of his team did not show up.
September 26, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Stuo11; The habs pre-season schedule is crazy. This is just a way for the organizations to make money by selling tickets. I think Carbo is just protecting his players who have minor twinges. If this was regular season I think most [if not all] the injuries would disappear. Plus, I agree with pactum, we have depth to ride out MINOR injuries. Anyway, I’m a sports fan like you; and there is no way to be a sports fan without being a little {a LITTLE?} superstitious; so please, no more talk of injuries – except about other teams
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BTW, I think Ottawa has done interesting things on defense, have real grinding 3rd and 4th lines. If their big guns can score, they could return to previous form. Their Achilles heel remains between the pipes. They could use Halak
September 26, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I wonder what kind of career Alexandre Daigle would have had if he had a mentor like Mario Lemieaux?? Get off his case some guys make the move when they are ready and maybe he feels comfortable under Mario’s roof or maybe Mario still wants him there?
September 26, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Well with Buffalo and Toronto not looking too good, I expect that Ottawa and Boston will be a close second and third behind our habs. Boston will be much better this year with more scoring punch and therefore harder to beat. Ottawa will have enough talent to stay close.
September 26, 2008 at 9:39 pm
whoops i meant tomorrow’ roster, not tonight….the game is on tsn2 if you get that
September 27, 2008 at 1:33 am
Yeah, well Murray Wilson was saying that tough Ottawa D I was talking about just looked slow tonight [just one game, but I'm not losing sleep over Ottawa's problems]. Both Boston and Philly are a concussion away from misery. Its really sad to say, but that is one injury that never really goes away.
September 27, 2008 at 2:11 pm
hey guys. Im currently in the process of writing for a website about the canadiens rivalry with the bruins. Im trying to pick the top 2 habs goaltenders of all-time to write about. Im having trouble picking between Patrick Roy, Ken Dryden, and Jacques Plante. I was wondering if you guys could let me know who you think is the best montreal canadiens goaltender of all time.
September 27, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Tom
count the cups
September 27, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Roy & Plante
Roy is the best of all-time out of all the goalies and Brodeur is the only one that can challenge that….he changed the way goalies play the game today. And Plante, the guy dominated his era….nobody even came close. 6 cups in 10 years with the Habs. First goaltender to play the puck outside of the crease and probably best leader of the 3.
September 27, 2008 at 11:17 pm
guys, I say alot of stupid things, after I comment, I always regret 5 minutes later(what the **** am I thinking) I usually just get a little too worried, but yeah even with our injuries Ottawa over Montreal? get out of here!lol Montreal is oging to win the cup this year.
September 27, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I wonder how long until Lang picks up the team’s work ethic?
Tom: that’s a tough question. Why two? Dryden has the most impressive stats, Plante has the most cups, and Roy did more than either Dryden or Plante to change the way that goalies play hockey. Plante invented the mask, but Roy invented the way that all current NHL goalies play the game.
Really hard to say. I agree with alias about Roy, for sure, b/c Roy was the only one of the three who won the Stanley Cup virtually single-handed–he didn’t have the team in front of him that Dryden and Plante had. Just MHO.
September 28, 2008 at 12:01 am
plus roy is the only player…not just goalie, player….to win 3 conn smythe’s. Plante also revolutionzed the game with the mask like groundworking said, and being the first to play the puck changing once again, the way goaltender’s play the game. No longer could the goalie be the worst skater on the team, he had to be able to skate and control the puck well. Dryden may have the better stats but stats are hard to go by when comparing players from different era’s. Looking at a goalie who played in the high scoring 80′s will look much worse on paper than a goalie playing in 03-04 when scoring was at its lowest point since 1955-56. Plante has 7 Vezina’s to Dryden’s 5, he is the only one of the 3 to win a Hart trophy. While Dryden was a great tender, he is 3rd on this list.
September 28, 2008 at 9:38 am
Yeah, I agree with Alias. Tough question though.
September 28, 2008 at 10:52 am
Goalies:
There’s a trophy for goalies named after a pretty good one. Vezina was the first NHL goalie to record a shutout, to record a point, to win a cup with the Canadien. The Chicoutomi Cucumber was noted for his cool control of the game in a era when goalies were not allowed to go down to stop the play. This game of comparing eras is dangerous, but I feel we tend to overrate the current generation because they are bigger, play with incredibly advanced technology [not the least of which is ice-making], train endlessly; but most importantly ‘stand on the shoulders of giants’ [Isaac Newton] No Vezina- no Plante: no Plante, no Dryden: no Dryden- no Roy.
September 28, 2008 at 5:05 pm
I can’t wait for the playoffs to come, I wish I could just fast foward through time lol
September 28, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Firstly, I would agree with alias and pick Plante and Roy. but having the pleasure of actually seeing all three of these goalies in action, I would not agree that Roy changed the game more than Plante, true more goalies play the way Roy plays today but also if you consider that Plante did two very important things he brought the mask in for goalies of which not one would play without one today even if they were allowed to and he also was the first to leave his net and play the puck of which every goalie does today as well. Roy basically invented the butterfly style of goaltending, sometimes we tend to forget some of the old time goalies. You cannot compare atheletes from different generations but Plante had every bid as much influence on goaltending in his era as Roy did in his.
One other thing, if anyone of you watched 1970-1971 series between the Bruins and Habs you would not say that Roy was the only one you won the games single handled. Remember this was a team that had Orr, Espo and company and they totally dominated the Habs in almost every game yet they could not beat Dryden, because of his play he won the Conn Smythe trophy. Montreal had a good not great team that year, they were still building toward their four year run at the cup which did not start until 1976.
September 28, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Good Point and well said.
September 28, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Sorry I was commenting on Habknot goalies comments
September 30, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Lats hanging out in front of the net, looking good….this could be his year!
September 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Pacioretty is the man! he’s staying, no doubt about it. He’s got all the tools, skates. checks, scores, hits. Lapierre pack your bags! There’s a new guy taking your place. But perhaps Begin, Lats, or Dandy is being demoted. Anyways Pac is here to stay!
September 30, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Pacioretty should stay before at least 3 or 4 guys who are there now and were last year.
Good game tonight against Detroit. Price played awesome, alot of big names for both teams not there…ah well, wait for regular season.
October 1, 2008 at 8:43 am
problem is if Patches stays there’s no way he should be on the 4th line, that will not help his development at all [playing on a checking role and seeing 10 minutes or less a game. The best thing for him is ice time, and he may not see that in Montreal just yet. The only player he should be booting out is Latendresse. Patches-Lang-S.Kost would also be a sick line. Begin & Dandy were gonna be demoted anyways, and LaPierre only has Chipchura to worry about (which is a big worry now considering the pre-season Chips is having) In my mind there’s 2 battles…
Pacioretty vs. Latendresse
LaPierre vs. Chipchura
Weber is also making it tough, he could slide in there as well and has shown he could fill Streit’s shoes on the PP this year.
October 1, 2008 at 11:21 am
I agree with alias. He should not be playing on the 4th line of the habs, as he deserves 1st line on Hamilton, or even another NHL team, if a trade is worth it for them, but that I doubt. Latendresse is not improving at a very good pace, and I’ve heard that he’s lost a little weight to improve his speed.. but it is still not showing. I think that Chipchura is having a great pre-season as well, but I do NOT think that Yannick Weber should make the team. He made glaring mistakes last night in the game against Detroit and I think he would be great for Hamilton for this upcoming year. Also… where is Higgins in the pre-season? Haven’t seen him yet.
October 1, 2008 at 2:20 pm
In my mind there’s 2 battles…
Pacioretty vs. Latendresse
LaPierre vs. Chipchura
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve not been a big fan of Latendresse. I think he has to blossom early this year or they’ll either demote him or trade him. I don’t think Chipchura is ready either, though he might be at the half-way mark of the season.
In any case, it doesn’t seem to me that Latendresse or LaPierre are having the preseason that they need to have in order to stay on the team. I remember last year, though, that Lapierre started in the AHL and then worked hard to get back to the NHL. Does anyone else sense that he’s currently playing with a sense of entitlement?
Oh, and by the way, Brisebois will be on coaching staff by the first week of November. There’s no way he can keep up this year.
October 1, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I would reward Pacioretty for his good camp and keep him up for 8-10 games to see how he does against the big boys. If he proves he belongs then he is on one of the first three lines. Latendresse as I have said many times needs a wakeup call and needs to be sent down before he plays 8 more games to avoid waivers. I cannot give up on him just yet we have had this conversation too many times, you do not give up on a 20 year old power forward who is showing slow improvement. Generally the big guys tend to develop slower. If he is not showing signs of improvement in 2 years then we make the decision but not at 20 years old.
I keep chipchura and Lappiere and if anything I made a couple of guys to make room for them. Chipchura could go down and let him work his way back up as well.