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Canes visit the Habs tonight in Montreal where they look to continue their 8 game Bell Center winning streak.
The Habs look to build on their first win after going through their first real losing streak of the season.
The Habs will be without Steve Begin and Bryan Smolinski tonight after losing both to injuries in Boston.
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- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
- Senet1 : I believe he will as we graducally put better players around him and build this team.
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December 8, 2007 at 7:15 pm
This should be a game where they come out swinging but as usual the other face of lethargic, indifferent and passionless misfits will show up. Why because this is the continuation of the seasonal downslide. The only way we would venture a sound push for the playoffs is if we played the likes of boston for 41 games and a sprinkling of other hockey sisters. The canes haven’t been nice and so it goes this too should be a forgetful event. I would like to beieve that the goalies will be the prime factor but the Habs need to score before that can be a factor. Go Habs Go! (in case the Jeckyl N Hyde) doesn’t apply tonight. It should be a Kovalev game night. I don’t think he’s been too visible in the last 3 or 4 games. Ok let’s wake up and play hockey!
December 8, 2007 at 8:49 pm
just after the first….so predictable….start throwing things around…Carbonneau has some skaking up to do!!!
December 8, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Price is turning out to be a major disapointment.
Price being overated is an understatment.
I used to look forward to see Price in net. But now I shutter to see him play.
HE is a big boy but he is always on his knees. Every goal is over his shoulders.
December 8, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Price gets taken out and in goes Halak. who’s doing better? pppffff Halak obviously. But guys we do only have 1 goal so far. Price isn’t the only problem.
December 8, 2007 at 10:56 pm
All joking aside, I think George Gilette has to give Gainey a push for some kind of change or push the button on a total change that includes Gainey. I think Carboneau has to be the sacrificial lamb and if Gainey can’t put his personel feelings aside for the betterment of the team then he too does not belong.
December 8, 2007 at 11:19 pm
I agree that something should be done sooner, rather than later. I fon one think that Carbonneau should not go. And I can appreciate that Gainey is patient as Montreal is in a rebuilding phase that is producing some talented young players.
But allowing veteran players to perform so poorly cannot continue. Young players are supposed to make mistakes. That’s one of the ways they learn. So I can excuse the occasional error from a Latendresse, Price, O’Byrne, etc. But when players like Koivu think they can float throught the last 10 games or so it results in what we are seeing. Koivu’s not the only one. Ryder is horrible, Smolinski has been below average at best this year, Streit may have started well but couldn’t complete a pass if is life depended on it (unless it’s to an opposing player.
I’m all for the rebuilding process, but I beleive that this is detrimental to the development of the younger players to have to ge through these horrible, prolonged, mid-season slumps. Gainey needs to get a competent scorer and preferably a #1 center BEFORE the trade deadline. Koivu never was a true number one center and he is clearly on the downside of his career and really cares nothing for this team right now.
December 9, 2007 at 1:28 am
Welcome to rebuilding. Go get a #1 centre? They don’t grow on tree’s you know. Only about half the teams in the league have a true #1 centre and they won’t get traded cause they’re like gold and forget trading for Vinny, the first chance they will have to get him is 2 years from now when he’s UFA. The best chance the Habs have of getting a possible stud centre by next season is to tank this season, go for the #1 pick and get Steve Stamkos who scouts say is even better then Spezza was at that age.
And get off of Price! He’s played what? 15 nhl games? Did you expect him to be Roberto Luongo right away? All of the best goalies in history go through a learning curve during which they have to learn the hard way. Price is going through a steep learning curve right now while he’s learning to be a pro. It’s going to take him 1-2 seasons to become the goalie he can and will be. Show some patience with the kid. The same goes or the rest of the young guys ie. Latendresse and Kostitsyn. This team, whether Gainey admits it or not, is rebuilding. I know Habs fans refuse to be patient cause we’ve been waiting for another cup since 93′ but deal with it.
And Carbo’s lost me as a supporter. I backed him last year and going into this year cause I thought he’d learn from his mistakes but he hasn’t. The coach needs to, and I believe will, go.
Veteran corps can’t get it done either. Ryder is finished in Montreal, I think Koivu wants out and his play says so, it’s only a matter of time before Kovy starts gripping and wants out and Huet is an asset to be dealt. Gainey’s half rebuild, half go for it strategy has failed and it’s time to build for 09′/2010/2011 when Price, Latendresse, Higgins, Fisher, McDonaugh, Valentenko, Pleks, O’Byrne, Kostitsyn Bros., Chipchura, Lapierre, Carle are ready to rock, throw in some smart trades(Koivu, Kovy, Ryder, Huet will be able to fetch some good pieces at the deadline) and sinings(come on Vinny!) and hopefully a ready to rock and roll right away high first rounder this year in the draft(Stamkos, Daughty, Piertrangelo. Preferrably Stamkos as he’s a big, looks like 40 goal, 100 pont player guy) and the Habs will be a force to be reckoned with consistently like Detroit.
December 9, 2007 at 1:54 am
Agreed
December 9, 2007 at 9:34 am
I agree with everyone but we need a coach who has patience for the kids and realizes he is probably not going to make the playoffs let alone win the Stanley Cup. I think I would send Ryder and Carboneau to the New York Islanders for Ted Nolan. Wouldn’t he be great with the kids with his upbeat method of coaching.
December 9, 2007 at 10:11 am
Lets not get all excited about Fischer and Mcdonaugh considering they both failed to make the U.S.A junior team.
December 9, 2007 at 11:40 am
You may have a point about Fisher, not McDonaugh considering he’s only 18 and this USA blueline is supposed to be the deepest it’s ever had.
December 9, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Thats very true about mcdonaugh but i dont know why people keep talking about fischer and how he will someday run the habs blueline.Well i know he is still young but its not looking good for the fish
December 9, 2007 at 12:15 pm
some people say that calgarywont accept Ryder.They will because his lil bros was drafted by calgary and two bros on a team are always amazing. but for us getting Tanguay would also be great!
December 9, 2007 at 12:32 pm
The way the Hab are playing”like or worse than Samsenov,lol”,makes me question whyin the hell someone would want our players in trade talk.Maybe some prospects ,Price , Saku and Markov are wanted ,which leaves ?????
December 9, 2007 at 12:50 pm
Habs#1, I agree totally. Hoping for a number one center now is a strecth. That will take time. But there are several centers out there that could be available that have future potential and would provide more effort and (right now) ability than Saku is providing. Watching the supposed best player on this team play over the last ten or so games has been painfull at best.
I’ve always thought Saku would be great on the number two line when and if Montreal can land a true first line player, but I don’t think that either Saku or Montreal can wait for that to happen now. He needs to go.
December 9, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Guillaume Latendresse will peak in his career as a great third line checking center, if he works hard. We delude ourselves if we think that he is part of the youthful core to build around. But I definitely support the idea of getting some youth for top players, but Koivu is the heart of this hockey team. What’s happened, in my view, is that too many borderline NHL players somehow developed a sense of entitlement to their position (Latendresse is one of them, Ryder another, Smolinksi yet another, and so on). Here’s another problem. If we trade away Koivu, and let Lapierre play every night, then it will probably test our metal as Montreal Canadiens fans to cheer for a team where Latendresse and Komisarek yap trash talk at the opposition all night long. I can stand Komisarek because he is a good, tough player, but Lapierre is just an annoying mouthpiece who is really hard to cheer for.
December 9, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Guy latalentless will find himself playing most of his career in the AHL.The only way i can see him staying on this team is if he calls Jenna Jameison and asks her for a few pointers for when he is underneath gainey and carbo’s desk.
December 9, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Say goodbye to playoffs this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets start fresh next season without carbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sick and tired of inexperienced coaches year after year.The last experienced coach we had was jacques demers and a stanley cup to go with it!!!!
This team cannot afford inexperienced coaches.my patience has run out!!!!!!!!!!
December 9, 2007 at 3:25 pm
I have to agree with johns’comments,we have a lot of young players with potential,and we dont need a rookie ‘green’ coach to spoil their confidence and futures.How dare you embarass price in front of family,when this game was over after the first period.he is not the one to blame!!!!!!!!Maybe it is time to look at yourself in the mirror GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 9, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Well, at least the people who demand winning now can take solace in the fact that the Habs aren’t as bad as the Miami Dolphins!
December 9, 2007 at 8:52 pm
carbo is the man to go with.Give him some time and he and gainey will bring a championship team back to montreal where it belongs.The last canadian team to win the cup was montreal and the next canadian team to win the cup will be montreal.SENS SUCK.LEAFS SUCK.OILERS SUCK.FLAMES SUCK.CANUCKS SUCK.GO HABS GO.
December 10, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Hey… I betcha Pat Burns would come back if asked now… he would be great~
December 10, 2007 at 10:23 pm
How about Richer, Lebeau, Svoboda, Desjardins, Mcphee, Ludwig ect… Quit living in the past MTL. It’s holding you back.
December 11, 2007 at 12:17 am
Well, the Leafs spanked Tampa tonight. You can bet that Tampa will bring it when they come to Montreal. God help the Habs. The leafs can man handle Tampa but Montreal will struggle to get even a point tomorrow…… We all know who will win that game tomorrow….
OH and my prediction has almost come true. The leafs will pass the Habs in the standings before X-mas. Will they are tied with us now. I guess it won’t take till X-mas. Saturday night maybe.
Oh dear…….I feel faint…….
December 11, 2007 at 1:42 am
Rebiero now has 13 goals and 27 pts,so again the people who tried to tie me to a cross and burn me for sudjesting it was a mistake for trading him,once again,kiss me where the sun don’t shine,lol.
December 11, 2007 at 2:23 am
Ribiero,Mickey Ribs …. that was nice of us to develop him for Dallas.I guess that was a thank-you from Gainey for expanding his horizons.GO PRICE GO…STICK UP FOR YOURSELF Carey,do your thang!
December 11, 2007 at 8:42 am
Mostly every player who leaves the Habs, (except for Sammy) plays pretty good. What does that tell you. Players don’t want to play in Montreal….. PERIOD.
December 11, 2007 at 12:11 pm
ah what great fans