Carey Price World Junior MVP
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Forget the Canadiens recent struggles for a moment and take a look at Bob Gainey’s surprise 5th overall pick in the 2005 draft.
Carey Price
- Tournament All Star
- Best Goaltender
- Tournament MVP
Not too bad.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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January 5, 2007 at 5:20 pm
congratulations carey price!!!!….
good job and keep it up!!! =)
you made me love hockey even more… =)
January 5, 2007 at 5:26 pm
awesome game! congrats guys
January 5, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Carey Price is not onnly a fabolous goalie he seems like a great person. ITs very rare that you get that all in one player. Let alone someone who is only 19. Great tournament and a well deserved MVP. Gilbert Brule will be a great NHL player but Carey Price proved once again why Bob Gainey is a mastermind.
OH Canada.
January 5, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Now let’s hope Carey turns out to be better than Theodore.
Theo won it in 1996 and was the MVP of the tournament.
I can’t wait for the battle 3-5 years down the road, it’s gonna be awesome.
The Leafs with Poggie and the Habs with Price.
Clash of the Champions!
January 5, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Congrats Canadian Juniors and Carey!!
Habs are building a great team for the future. Can’t wait to see some of the younger Habbies break in to the Big Time (Lapierre, Kostytsins, Chipchura, etc.) and stay (like Latendresse has been able to do).
Speaking of Lapierre, I’d be shocked if he weren’t up in Montreal before the end of the month or sooner… unless things really shake up…
January 5, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Don’t expect to see Lapierre till his flu clears up. That’s right. Not only did all those Habs get it but Lapierre lost 6 POUNDS this past week cause of the flu.
Bob is the man. He knew what he was getting when he picked Price. Price carries a brutal to mediocre team on his back every year to the playoffs(1993 anyone?). All those idiots who critisized him sure look bad now.
He’ll be better then Theo cause he’s calmer then Theo ever was and dosen’t let a goal shake him mentally regardless of wether it was a bad one or not. They both had the physical tools but Price is far more mentally sound.
Two other Habs prospects who impressed me at the tourney were Sergei Kotstisyn(Andrei’s little bro) who continues to play well regardless of who he plays with and the Russian defenceman Pavel Valentenko who the Habs have appeared to have stolen last year in the sixth round. He had one of the Russian goals and was dominant for them on the back end like Yemelin was last year in Vancouver. Man the Habs are good at stealing Russian D-men in the later rounds(i.e. Markov, Yemelin, Valentenko.)
January 5, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Bob is not the man, he keeps the good rookies down until they are worn out and unable to contribute and then he trades them, and they score against the Habs. Shame on you Bob Gainey for not using your rookies and making them fulfill their dreams in the Habs….shame shame shame.
Watch, Bob is gonna trade Price for some broken down player….
January 5, 2007 at 8:48 pm
I think someone forgot to tell Bob that he is GM of the Habs, not the Bulldogs, hello Bob, the Bulldogs are there so the rookies can practice and get better, but with Gainey, it’s the other way around.
Maybe Bob should be kicked down to what he may really want to be, GM only for the Bulldogs, he sure acts like his priority is getting the Bulldogs winning. Hello Bob, you were hired to make the Habs win!
January 5, 2007 at 10:08 pm
I’m never going to figure people like joshtm out. Never satisfied with anything… that’s normal on this site sometimes, but being braindead about hockey management, that’s just silly.
Sorry: Bob’s got quite a job to manage a bunch of players who can hack it at the top level, as well as those who want to make it. Way too many players have been rushed and fizzled way too soon in their careers.
Take your cynicism elsewhere, boy.
January 5, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Good try Jack. The truth be told, Gainey is not taking advantage of Kostysisn, or Lapierre or the other prospects who are good enough now, instead he trades for broken down players like Biron.
He eats up the budget on the likes of Ninnima and Streit, and Johnson and Downie, who are not worth what they get paid for, and then when you have someone good enough like Price, there is no money left to keep the likes of Price.
Or wasting it all on the likes of Samsonov.
What gives?
Or wheeling and dealing for defensemen who could not stop some peewee hockey player from shooting on Huet or Abby.
And patronizing the likes of Muller and Jarvis who have no place on a team, or who are wasted as Assistants, who really should be coaches on their own to match the likes of Carbo.
It is time to get some real technical assistant coaches who can get the defense operating like defensemen. Or working with gifted players like Souray, of Markov, and getting tough with Kovalev and Koivu to show leadership.
I don’t think Gainey knows where he wants to go. It is one thing to have you ear to the ground and know which rookies are good. It takes skill to know when to use them, and when to trade them, and when to not waste money on a farm team….
Or worse yet, to hedge all your money on players who are hurt to begin with before they are acquired. Montreal is a hockey team, it is not the Montreal Jewish Hospital Hockey Team. But the way Montreal operates and trades you would think the scouts are told to look out for hurt players who used to have skill with the hope of rehabitating them into good players.
It did not work in the past, we have not seen one hurt player rehabed, yet we pay them big bucks to basically get free healthcare at the fans expense….
It would make sense if the Habs were one big tax break for the rich.
I guess we now know the truth don’t we?
January 5, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Katrina:
Can you linx me your email?
January 5, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Well Jack,I got to tell you , that’s some of the fustrations on the Habs I feel aswell and I thought that was well put by blogger josthm,this habs team got to get real for the second half.But what can they do about it,banks broke and so are the players and even though they got some mileage out of it,it’s still an old horse on a dead-end trail.
January 6, 2007 at 12:18 am
I like Bob Gainey as a GM. he’s very astute,and knows the game inside out. But I wish he was more animated and not so placid. be a mover and a shaker!
January 6, 2007 at 4:33 am
keep the, at home winning streak going, go habs go. lets get back on track.
January 6, 2007 at 10:26 am
I agreed with many of JOSH’S points with the exception of laying it all over BOB! The man has been here for 3 years and he’s turned a pile of **** into Lemons that is slowly turning into Lemonade! However, From a managerial point of view (And I Am by far no expert on the hockey management side of things as I have never managed a pro hackey club) But I like the fact that Bob is patient rather than to quick on the draw! Being patient is what gets you to be able to unload theodore and pick up aiebesher! being quick on the draw is when you get some loudmouth,no-brain,arrogant media *** to coach your team, and then let him personally be responsable for forcing your franchise goaltender to be sent to colorado! That’s what being impatient gets you!
Do I understand why only TODAY Maxime LaPierre has been called back up instead of on December 28th…NO!
Do I understand why Kovalev is permitted to show up for only 30% of the season…NO!
Do I understand why I get nervous everytime Rivet touches the puck..Well yeah but that’s another topic of conversation!
All I can hope for is that the man upstairs (BOB not GOD)has a handle on things and has a vision of what needs to be done to bring the cup home! And at this point I don’t think ANYBODY can point the finger at BOB GAINEY and say your not, and haven’t been, doing the right things for this team!
(I wonder if anyone would be saying anything had he landed SHANNAHAN in the off-season like he wanted to!)
NY at 3pm today hopefully this bug going around the team doesn’t slow us down too much!
On a poisitive note much like belfore,nittimaki,and thomas seem to have the habs number..it would seem the aebisher has that touch against the rangers!
Go HABS Go!
January 6, 2007 at 12:28 pm
And joshtm dosen’t understand the point of not rushing prsopects. Ryan Miller didn’t get into the NHL till he was 25. Look at how good he is now. You DO NOT rush goalies. Higgins, Ryder, Pleks, Perogy, Koivu, Markov, everyone drafted by the Habs has had to prove themselves down in the minors. Look at Spezza and Stall. They weren’t brought up till they lit up the AHL and look at how good they are now.
And what do you mean not enough money to keep Price? He’s going to the AHL next year, he’s not NHL ready and he won’t be a UFA till he’s played at least 5 years in the league.
As for Biron, Bob traded Patrick Traverse for the guy!
Bob is one of the top 2 GM’s in the league along with Brian Burke. Stanley Cup teams don’t get built overnight!
And then there’s the salary cap. Lapierre was sent down cause they couldn’t afford to keep him up cap wise and with some of the other guys coming back from injury what was he gonna do? Sit in the press box? Players should have to play 2-3 years in the AHL before they are permanently brought up. It’s called seassonning. Some of the great’s have started in the AHL, it’s a useful tool, people like joshtm just don’t see it.
January 6, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Oh yeah, and what would you like Bob to do? Pull the trigger on the first deal that comes along just cause one does come along?
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a trade that swings in your favour? There isn’t going to be anyone stupid enough to trade a young superstar after what they saw happen to Boston and Mike Milbury isn’t around anymore.
So your dreams of trading Murray, Sammy, Rivet, Abby, Johnson(who deserves more respect, he’s part of the best checking line in hockey. That’s what he is, a defensive player, not a scorer.) and Downey for Vinny Lecavelier and Nick Lidstrom isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
January 6, 2007 at 1:06 pm
When did a Brian Burke team win a cup? And murray ,sammy ,downey,ninamma are not trade bait in all of north america.
January 6, 2007 at 3:55 pm
you have to give a quality player in order to get a good player back. Nobody in their right mind will want Downey, Murray, and Samsonov. C’mon now, be rational. As I see it, the only commodity we have worth trading, is Ryder ,Kovalev, and Souray. maybe also another D man, and also Aebischer. that’s it guys. So, don’t get your hopes up. I think the best we can hope for, is that come March, teams out of the playoff race, will try and unload high priced players.
January 6, 2007 at 7:31 pm
I guess as long as we give Bob the excuses we will always see our prospects leave….and the rookies will be traded to other more deserving teams.
Meanwhile we waste what little money there is on expensive injury ridden veterans and their medical bills…the hidden side of where the millions go.
You guys sound even more pathetic than those braindead Leafs fans who will never see a stanley cup again in spite of throwing money at talented mercernaries who don’t know how to work as a team.
No wonder Montreal is where it is. Being a champion means thinking like a champion, not some loser.
January 6, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Kinda makes you wonder what Bob was thinking when he threw literally millions away going for those broken down players when there was more talent out there.
January 12, 2007 at 2:20 pm
First time I have been on this site. Very interesting indeed. First off everyone should take a minute and visit the site-hockeyfutures. Canadiens prospects are listed 5th or 6th best among NHL teams. Therefore, top 6 team AND top 5/6 prospects. Note-none of the other NHL teams in this range-NONE- made the playoffs last year. Price,both Kostytsyn’s,Chipcura( future captain ),Grabovsky,Maxwell,Valentko,Emelin,etc-etc-etc. Bob Gainey is doing exactly what he did in Dallas. Building a future Stanley Cup winner, only this time through the draft. This is not 1993 or 1986, when winning Stanley was perhaps somewhat of a surprise. This is like the 70′s when the team was built for this year, for next year and for ten years from now. As previously mentioned Gainey took lemons and is making lemondade. GO HABS GO.
JRD
November 21, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Hey you guys I love you guys rock…I wish I could come to
see you guys play agin…this is for Carry Price and the rest of the team…I think im come to see you play on November,23 2008…love you GUYS! o and I live in Ojay-Bougamou
…I hope you guys come to teach hockey school here in Ojay
im in pee-wee(AA)……Kaitlin Bush Simard…seeya
love you (Carry Price)