Claude Julien Fired (again)
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With a few games remaining in the season and a 2nd place position in the Eastern Conference, the New Jersey Devils have fired coach Claude Julien.
This makes the second time Julien has been fired in just over one year.
This comes as more of a surprise and shock and certainly more details will follow.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : go.
- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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April 2, 2007 at 1:32 pm
John Furguson Jr. will be next.
April 2, 2007 at 1:33 pm
So does that mean Larry Robinson steps in and leads them to the Cup? Or is Pat Burns back? Maybe Robbie Ftorek! Maybe Lou-Lou hires Mario Tremblay! Whatever.
Lou Lamoriello is an idiot who has all the Devils’ players drinking his Kool-Aid. How else do you explain such talented unrestricted free agents returning to New Jersey in the past 5 seasons for less money than they could have received on the open market (Stevens, Brodeur, Elias)?
I hate New Jersey and not cuz they dominate the Habs but because they are always a un-original boring team. Kinda cool logo though eh?
April 2, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Poor Claude Julien, he deserves better. Hopefully he ends up somewhere where he doesn’t have to bow to a GM who dictates how to coach.
Maybe Boston, I hear Dave Lewis is done. Maybe Ottawa if they make an early playoff exit. And one never knows what will happen in Tampa Bay, Carolina, Washington, Edmonton, Colorado, Atlanta, Philadelphia over the summer, hey, even Calgary, Dallas and Pittsburgh might look for a change!
Good luck to Claude, I kinda wish he was still our coach but I don’t make the changes, josh is the GM.
April 2, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Josh can’t fire me cause I QUIT………There HA, HA, HA.
April 2, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Hard to understand, but it’s not like he hasn’t fired guys at this stage before. It won them a cup once, when Robinson took over, I think. I’m not a Julien believer, myself. Half the reason he was hired by Montreal was because he’s french, and the other half was because he worked cheap and was already in the system. What amazes me more is the talk of coach of the year for Therrien. Michel, or Mike as he now likes to be called despite his Cretien like accent, was lucky to even have a job this season after his varied and uninspired rants last year.
I think Crosby, Malkin and Staal have a hell of a lot more to do with the Penguins success than that lame duck of a coach. Coach of the year? Don’t make me laugh. There are at least 5 better candidates than that stiff.
Any way, glad to see the Rangers wallop the Leafs last night. I watched the game and enjoyed it immensely. I hate the Leafs…
April 2, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Gotta love Lou, hey Bob Gainey, if you wanna see a winner, look at Jello Lamorello, that man a ring for almost every finger, except of course the middle finger which he gives to losers like Guy….
If Carboneau was with the devils, they could win the cup, Guy could probably be a decent coach on any other team than the habs, with the habs he has no accountablity so he doesn’t give a rats ****! But hey, if he had pressure and accountablity, Guy Carboneau could win a cup!
April 2, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Why was Julien fired? Makes no sense! They’re in 2nd place! Lamoriello is a total moron! And with the playoffs a week away, and his team having a chance to win the cup, why would he do such an idiotic thing? Unbelievable!
I could understand more if Carbo was fired, but to a coach who has guided his team to a 2nd place finish.
April 2, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Hey, how about trading Guy Carboneau for Larry Robinson? Larry would know how to kick both Saku and Alexei’s butt big time and he would know not to sign Dandy and Bouilly and how to use the rookies properly!
April 2, 2007 at 3:40 pm
think Carbo loves Dandenault and Bouillon because they’re french canadien. If they were european, they’re gone! Yeah, I believe the Kovalev story to the russian paper, saying carbo loves his own french canadien players, and hates Euros
April 2, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Could be there’s a situation in Jersey that we don’t know about. Some conflict that the media hasn’t rooted out. A few get by them. It should be interesting to hear what Julien has to say about this. His reaction will say a lot.
April 2, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Word on the street is that the Devils’ had gone to Lou to tell him that they were not happy with Julien. It’s impressive that they tuned him out and kept winning while the Habs did the same thing once upon a time and the team sucked.
April 2, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Lou must realize that this will not put fans in the seats. IF you play this disgusting brand of hockey then 5000 fans is pretty darn good. IT will be a early exit for the Devils this year.
ALso Lou realizes that this year is the end of the line for this goup of players. He knows its downhill from here. Good luck Lou, you’ll need it.
April 2, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Where has Latendresse gone the last few games? HE has been invisible. Joshtm???
April 2, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Lou should have read a recent (TSN?) artiicle that showed over the past 20 years teams that were just average in their last 10 games won the cup. Teams who had peaked too soon didn’t have the stamina. It’s not just theory, the statistics were quite interesting. If anyone can cite the article more precisely I’m sure posters would be interested, it was just in the last couple of days.
April 2, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Oh come one guys stop it with the French players thing. So they aint like kopitar or Malkin. They weren’t also the first draft picks of their year. If Montreal was a real bad team each year we would get good players. And look at Kotstystin, he is playing well, but not all that much more then latendresse.
So please stop the French bashing. This is a team game anyways. And they are showing passion, especially Lappy, although his main goal isnt to score he’s doing that well.
April 2, 2007 at 11:16 pm
If anyone is interested- I have been sent an amazing e mail that has about
7 or 8 pictures of a Habs rec room, if anyone is interested send me an
e mail to cowboyboots@telus.net and I’ll forward it on to you. Sure wish I had a big enough house to have this…even though my hockey office has about
100 differfent Habs items in it, it pales compares to this one.
Smiler—yup they have a great Logo.
Loved that Ranger kicking of TO, just hope they don’t do the same to the Habs now !
April 3, 2007 at 12:50 am
KOstisyn has been very impressive yet has not found the trigger for goal. Everytime he touches the puck something exciting seems to happen. Great chemistry with the linemates but mainly Pleks. Higgins is still finding his grove but is still playing hard. The one thing I notice about Higgins is he is fanning on alot of shots this year. Maybe holding the stick to tight but last year everytime he had a chance he put a hard shot on net. Im sure he will fix that. Plekanec is sooo underated its not even funny. Great stickhandler, good awareness and can feather the most beautiful saucer passes. I would take him over Mike Fisher anyday who is a similar player.
April 3, 2007 at 6:23 am
I like Plekanec too, but I’d take Fisher. He’s much more physical, and gets it done on the scoresheet. That said, Pleks has made great strides since x-mas. I was thinking that he should have been benched prior to that, as he wasn’t scoring. I guess having to carry the defensive load for notorious non-back-checkers Samsonov and Kovalev took its toll. After seeing how he finished last year, I expected a breakout year for him, and though it took until January for him to get going, he hasn’t let me down.
I think Higgins is a bit gunshy right now. He was looking awesome before he hurt his ankle, and even after he returned, he wasn’t skating well until February. He’s fit in well with Plekanec and Kostitsyn, and has looked dangerous the last little while even though the points haven’t been there. He’ll be big for us in the playoffs, if we get there: I’m certain of it.
April 3, 2007 at 8:11 am
Well boys & girls, tonight is the night when we absolutely have to beat Boston. Loosing is not an option tonight. The Leafs pretty much have a sure 2 points tonight. I hope that the Flyers could muster up a win but it looks bleek that they could beat the Leafs.
The Leafs or Montreal, should one of them loose tonight I think that it will pretty much be lights out for the loosing team.
Agree Or Disagree?
April 3, 2007 at 8:23 am
If the laffs lose, I’de say Montreal is in. That would be a 3 pt lead and another win on the laffs. Toronto at home, they’ll probably win though. We still to be aware of the Canes too
April 3, 2007 at 8:39 am
Hello Fan4066.
Yes. The Canes are creeping back up there again. This is so hard on my nerves.
I don’t know but I am getting a bad vibe for the next 3 games for us. Maybe it is my nerves. If we are to not make it, I hope that the canes do.
April 3, 2007 at 9:11 am
This, however, looks uneasy:
Breaking down the final 3 games of these teams, I am boldly predicting outsomes based on the trends vs. the other teams this year…home vs roads, opponents, etc.
If this did come down to looking like this…..it appears both get in and the Canes don’t!! The Canes may lose out on wins vs Montreal and pts vs Toronto
Montreal: 79 41 32 6 88
Bruins 80 42 32 6 90
@ NYR 81 42 33 6 90
@ Toronto 82 42 34 6 90
Toronto: 79 38 30 11 87
Philly 80 39 30 11 89
@ NYI 81 39 31 11 89
Canadiens 82 40 31 11 91
Canes: 79 39 32 8 86
@ TB 80 39 33 8 86
Atlanta 81 39 34 8 86
FLA 82 40 34 8 88 or 82 42 33 8 90
April 3, 2007 at 9:14 am
You lost me there……………..
April 3, 2007 at 9:15 am
Typo…sorry
FLA 82 41 34 8 90
April 3, 2007 at 9:19 am
So what does all of that mean??????????
April 3, 2007 at 9:20 am
I just broke down the final 3 games left of each team and the accumulative record finishing the season…since I had people bugging me here at work…I frigged up the Canes last game prediction.
If they beat Florida, they finish 82 40 34 8 88, and appears they will not tie Montreal for pts….they won’t make it!
April 3, 2007 at 9:40 am
You can’t go by that anymore Fan4066.
We need to win the next 3 games period.
We won 5 in a row. Lost 1. We have won 1. Now just 3 more wins for a 4 games in a row.
If our season comes down to the last game with T.O. It wiil be one nervous night. The Leafs may get lucky……….
April 3, 2007 at 9:57 am
Don’t get me wrong DAWG….there is nothing I will love more than to see them win all 3, and I pray to God we do. The NY and laffs games are going to be a true test of how bad they really, really want this. It may look like 6th is a hard reach now with the NYR @ 91…looking like 7th may be the best it gets now, and a possible date with either NJ or Pittsburgh. Ide rather finish 8th and take my chances the the Sabres
April 3, 2007 at 10:03 am
I agree with you. We have the best record against Buffalo this year. 5-2-1.
But, we all know that the playoffs are a differnt season all together. Regular season stats don’t mean much then.
Like you said we will see how much the Habs want it.
If they loose tonight, they loose the season.
LETS GO BOYS, LETS GO.
April 3, 2007 at 10:14 am
I truely believe we will beat the Bruins tonight, the carrot is hanging here to take. But, ya, we really need to win this tonight, just to keep pace with Toronto.
Wouln’t it be freakin awesome waking up in the morning and hearing that Philly beat them!!! That would be just the BEST. That would be a 3 point lead with a 4 win margin, it would be a nice buffer to work with for sure
April 3, 2007 at 10:23 am
C_D FYI, Our record against Buffalo is 4-2-2… in the playoffs there is no ties so things even up a bit…
but I think we would have an advantage going into the Playoffs in that our confidence would be at a 3 mth high, which would position us as good 1st round spoiler… and Buffalo has a lot of pressure to go far in the playoffs (also shooting for the Presidents trophey), plus add the pressure of they have struggled against us, I could see good things in this match-up! I like that match-up over any other of the top 4 teams with the exception of Atl possibly???
April 3, 2007 at 10:36 am
I stand corrected.
Are you trying to pick a fight BUDDY BOY…….LOL……….
You don’t want to drop the gloves with me. I have a mean bite……..LOL…
April 3, 2007 at 10:53 am
We have played the Swordsmen very tough this year, mostly, they beat us all up front of the season when they were flying high, but once they became human again, we’ve beaten them 3/4 since, and beating them last week is a nice way to enter a dance with them. We cave to come hard at them, they are finesse,we have to punish them to beat them…crush Briere in the boards
Oct. 6 lost at Sabres, 5-4, SO
Oct. 23 lost vs Sabres, 4-1
Nov. 24 won at Sabres, 2-1, OT
Dec. 9 lost vs Sabres, 3-2, SO
Dec. 19 won at Sabres, 5-2
Jan. 20 won vs Sabres, 4-3
March 2 lost at Sabres, 8-5
March 31 won vs Sabres, 4-3
April 3, 2007 at 11:11 am
I think that when the laffs need to win they overdo it and Raycroft always lets them down. Probably cause they get their heads overblown with worshiping and general brown nosing by the Toronto media, the Laffs will be off their game just a bit, enough for the rookies to tip them over and outscore them.
Of course the toronto media has it down to the final game, and that TO needs to win in regulation time….talk about being overly optimistic! Since when has Sundin and Tucker and Raycroft delivered when they were needed the most? Never!
I bet even the lacklustre Phlyers will bowl them over now. And the Islanders are smarting so they will payback, so it looks like strike three against the habs later in the week. Of course this is all reliant on the vets delivering for the habs, which we all know Koivu and Kovalev only come and go at their pleasure!
April 3, 2007 at 11:34 am
Of course here we are all overblown ourselves thinking we got easy wins against the Bruins, the Rangers and the Laffs!
April 3, 2007 at 11:53 am
Nothing will be easy pickings for us,nor has it been for the entire season.
But here’s something that could make our game tonight a little bit easier. Bruins have recalled Toivonen, and he will be playing the next 2 games. He’s their version of Abbyshit. But the bottom line is, we MUST beat NYR no matter what! And if the NYR beat NYI tonight, then the Rangers clinch a playoff spot tonight. The only reason that would be good for us, is because the Rangers might not play as hard against us,with a playoff position set. we all know, that if there is nothing to be gained, player like Jagr won’t play hard, thus giving the habs an easy win. Even tho we don’t want the NYR to get in, it’s inevitable. But the good news is, even if they get in the playoffs, we could still finish higher than them, so it’s imperative we win all 3 games. Remember, the last game of the season for the Rangers is in Pittsburgh, and Pitt is still trying to finish in 2nd place, so there won’t be any gimmies for NYR. We must play 60 MINUTES! NO MORE INVISIBLE 1ST PERIODS! If we come out flat vs NYR or Leafs, they will kill us, and it will be over!
April 3, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Never mind NY or T.O. right now. We need to beat Boston tonight.
April 3, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I agree with both of you. But DAWG is right, we HAVE to beat the Bruins tonite, it’s impairative we do so, again it goes back to how bad they really want this playoff spot. Their best hockey of the year has to be played in these last 3 games of the season, or this year was all for nothing!
April 3, 2007 at 2:36 pm
What was sad was Carbo basically crapping all over Saku, Guy, you leave that to me, imagine the let down this will have on the rest of the team!