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  • What do the following three have in common?

    • Alain Vigneault
    • Michel Therrien
    • Claude Julien

    If you’ve followed the Canadiens, it’s obvious that they are all former coaches.

    What else do they have in common? How about a combined 129-67-24 record this year for a total of 282 points. 94 each on average, with games to play.

    Each team in the hunt for their division title, and not a far cry from challenging for their Conference.

    Each of these coaches have been tossed aside by Montreal in recent years.
    Were they let go too soon?

    You can argue it’s easier to coach in another city, or those teams are so much superior to the Canadiens. Are they?

    The fact remains Montreal chews up and spits out coaches on a regular basis and it hasn’t provided results that are anything but mediocre in the past 14 years.

    Nearing the All Star break Guy Carbonneau was getting ‘talked about’ for coach of the year. Fast forward to now, and there are people calling for his head.

    So will Carbo get the time it takes to develop as a coach in the NHL? Or will he be another booted to the curb to go on and coach another NHL team into the playoffs?

    Right now there’s a fairly good chance one of those Coaches could hoist the Cup in June. They must be doing something right.

132 Comments
  1. #1 Aurel1 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:02 am

    Obviously,they were let go too soon. Carbo needs to be given a chance over the next few years to prove himself. This team needs stability and the players need to know that they do not run the ship and will not be allowed to force the coach out. If a player does not want to play for Carbo then they need to get rid of the player thus sending a message to the rest of the team.

  2. #2 First comment yiipiiiiii says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:04 am

    If no make the playoffs ===> fired, otherwise maybe get one more year.

  3. #3 DIE_HARD_HABS_FAN says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:09 am

    The only Coach that should have been fired was Trembley. Then we would still have had Roy back then.

  4. #4 DIE_HARD_HABS_FAN says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:10 am

    The only Coach that should have been fired was Trembley. Then we would still have had Roy back then.

    What the hell, give Carbo 2-3 more years to develope the Youngsters. If he can’t do it then can his Ass.

  5. #5 Alestar says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:11 am

    Alain Vigneault and Claude Julien, yes….we let them go too soon. Michel Therrien was a lousy coach with the Habs. He has either learned from his mistakes and improved as an NHL coach or the Pens have so much talent, the stick boy could lead them to first place.

    18

  6. #6 Michael says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:14 am

    Maybe you can add Jacques Lemaire to that list. Anyway, great post. I”ve been thinking about those coaches too lately.

  7. #7 joburg says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:38 am

    and lets not forget one of my favorites—-Pat Burns

  8. #8 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:39 am

    Jacques Lemaire was not let go though. He was interm in 84 after they fired Boom Boom (talk about awful) him and Tremblay both…just awful. They tried to resign in 85, but chose to leave

  9. #9 habs#1fan says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:41 am

    Yes it is true all 3 of these former Canadiens coaches are doing very well. But then again they have:
    1. Alain Vigneault: He has Luongo possibly the best goalie in the free world right now and quite possibly the NHL MVP.
    2. Claude Julien: He has Brodeur argueably also the best goalie in the world. Possible MVP and Vezina winner.
    3. Michel Therrien: Has Fleury, Staal, Malkin and of course Crosby again an MVP candidate and no doubt winner of that honor.

    I think there is a very good chance 2 former Habs coaches could meet in the finals. NJ vs Van. A very good chance in my mind.

  10. #10 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 11:50 am

    its tough to say if Jersey get out alive….that conference is really hard to predict a winner…granted I find myself leaning toward Jersey.

    Coaching in Montreal has always been tough, the fans are relentless critics of what happens with that team….therefore players are extremelt hesitant to want to play in that city….so what do you get, average players trying to win a cup….unfortnatley, this is what has become of the once might Habs, mediocracy. When this happens…….fire the coach….next!!

  11. #11 R habs 4 real says:
    March 22, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    Remember guys, it’s not coaches who win stanley cups,IT’S THE PLAYERS!
    It’s doesn’t matter who coaches, if you have the talent in front of you. During our glory dynasty days of 1975-99,it wouldn’t have mattered who coached us, because we were unstoppable with awesome talent. Youippi could have coached that team, and we STILL would have won all those cups.
    The reason we have so many coaching changes here, is due to the constant pressure put on them. In any other city,they would be ok, and given more time to get a winner. But here, if you don’t produce by Xmas, you’re out!
    And remember TALENT WINS, not the coaches! They don’t play. All they do is change lines.
    In Pittsburgh, Therrien didn’t make them a good team. CROSBY, MALKEN, STAHL, RECCHI, ROBERTS DID! In Vancouver, LUONGO is the reason they are in the playoffs.Didn’t they miss the playoffs last year because of lousy goaltending?
    In NJ, they were already a cup contender before Jullien came there.
    If we had great talent here, any one of those coaches could be here, and we would win! IT’S THE TALENT, NOT THE COACHES!

  12. #12 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    R habs 4 real

    Well put man, very well said, you hit the nail right on the head. This situation is so so much more magnified in Habs town

  13. Jacques Lemaire quit. He did not take over for Boom Boom either. He replaced Bob Berry, who had been there from’81-’84. Jacques Lemaire was not a fan of the pressure in Montreal, and was replaced with Jean Perron.

    Paul

  14. Jacques Lemaire quit. He did not take over for Boom Boom either. He replaced Bob Berry, who had been there from’81-’84. Jacques Lemaire was not a fan of the pressure in Montreal, and was replaced with Jean Perron.
    I also believe Carbo deserves 2 or 3 years, and it would help the players to not be sent in different directions every year.

    Paul

  15. #15 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    Your right Paul, got it ass backwards. He caoched to 79-80 season, Claude Ruel replaced shortly after…appologies. Ya, Bob Berry always had them competitive, but again no cup. Some of the Canadiens that had seen the dynasty come to a close were either gone or just getting long in the tooth in the early part of the 80′s. Definitely a transition period that was hard to take after 4 straight cups….like withdrawl of rehab

  16. #16 nigelski says:
    March 22, 2007 at 12:59 pm

    They weren’t let go too soon. None of them got the job done. Therrien is reaping the benefits of a pile of solid young players, and after some of his retarded comments last year, I’m surprised he never got fired @ season’s end. Oh yeah, we’re supposed to call him Mike now. Whatever.

    All these coaches got their first head coaching jobs from us. Brought up from Hamilton. I would argue that most 1st time coaches make a lot of errors: Carbonneau is another good example in this. The aforementioned 3 no doubt learned a lot from their time with the habs, and have parlayed that into success elsewhere.

    Two of the three are blessed with amazing starting goaltending, in Brodeur and Luongo, arguably the two best in the league. Therrien has the best player in the league, alongside a truly remarkable group of high draft picks, accumulated through years of incompetent teams. So do they have better teams to work with?

    The answer is a resounding YES.

  17. #17 DIE_HARD_HABS_FAN says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    Ya know what I think. Shit, I forgot. Wait a minute. I still forget.

  18. Again with the excuses,the pressure of playing in Montreal ,the harsh press,the tax’s, well I’ve figured out the reasons some Hab fans are constantly making these excuses all the time;they are Samsonov fans who are effeminate !!!Carbo’s a good coach for the young guy’s and Roy would be a great addition to the staff,oh yeah!!! Habs ,go kick the Bruins teeth rite in tonite ,GOOOOO HABS!!!!

  19. #19 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    I think Carb will be around for awhile. Keep in mind this is his first stint at it. Next year should be better. Maybe if we get Price up and going, we could have a great goaltender too, right?

    The Canadiens may be 2 years away for cup competition…08-09. if Gainey plays the FA market a bit better this summer

  20. #20 DIE_HARD_HABS_FAN says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    Man. I still forget.

    Is the mind the first thing to go?

  21. #21 nigelski says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    Rumors of Price playing with the big club next year abound. Don’t know if he’s ready or not, as I don’t follow the jr teams too much. We got Halak, Danis, and maybe Price to try and fit into next year, alongside Huet. Sounds like the most competition for backup we’ve had in a while, though I believe Danis is the odd man out. Too bad we never got to see what he can do.

  22. #22 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    I would almost think tha Abby is gone in the summer. Huet will be the starter,with Halak and Price fighting out the backup position. The big question is, is Price better than Halak come that time.

    Halak is not really exciting me much. However, I am real excited to se Price try out.

    Strong temding would make Carbo’s job a lot easier

  23. Carbo was likely Gainey’s man since Bob took over as GM. Took some time, but he finally got the coach he wanted. I have a feeling Carbonneau is here for the long run. If Carbo goes, he’ll be leaving with Gainey. I don’t know a whole lot of people who would honestly want to ditch Gainey, so hopefully things work out with his coach.

    The Habs are a young team in a lot of ways. The Habs’ rookies and rookie coach will simply need to grow together. Gotta hate the growing pains, but they pass.

  24. #24 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    its not gonna be a ckae walk getting in!

    Mar. 22 at Boston
    Mar. 24 Washington
    Mar. 27 N.Y. Rangers
    Mar. 30 at Ottawa
    Mar. 31 Buffalo
    Apr. 3 Boston
    Apr. 5 at N.Y. Rangers
    Apr. 7 at Toronto

  25. #25 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    That’s the problem, everyone speaks under their breath that Gainey has to go, look at the signing of Samsonov, keeping Kovalev, bringing on Johnson, Murray and the answer to last year’s trade deadline, Downie. If you ask me it does not look like Gainey is rebuilding. More like setting up the:

    Gainey’s Hospital for Retired NHL veterans who can’t skate or shoot good!

    Or pick any zany name: Gainey’s Circus for Prima Donna Slav Hockey Players who can’t play worth a damn!

    It doesn’t matter what Carbo does or what he has tried, if Gainey won’t let him keep the rookies and develop along with them…it’s not gonna do anyone favours. How can we honestly say then Gainey is rebuilding?

  26. #26 DIE_HARD_HABS_FAN says:
    March 22, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Let’s wait til next season and we will see the improvements.

    Big time improvements. Mr. Gainey will surprise us next season. Trust me.

  27. #27 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    Thats just it. The farm system that used to be the best in the league, is now just so – so.

    My real big issue with the Canadiens, and has been for years, is the scouting staff….we’ve got to have one of the worst in the NHL, then you couple that with years of extremely poor draft picks…look what you get- shit

    The pair of these things over the past 25 years, have not helped this franchise at all. Granted, we’ve had some OK picks, but nothing we haven’t thrown in the garbage after a season or two.

    Montreal is killing itself with the defensive style game. Look at when John LeClair first played in Montreal….he was a 45 point man, at best. He moves on to Philly, now all of a sudden he’s got 85 points, the very next season!

    The dynasty in the 70′s was pure offence. When we lost all our scoring stars, the team dummied up and went defencive, why, no big scoring talent anymore. Fast foward to 2007, not much has changed

  28. #28 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Don’t forget there was no salary cap, the brewery wanted winners, as did HNIC and between the two a lot of money was pumped to get Montreal decent rookies and players. Now we don’t have HNIC and the brewery gave up when HNIC left.

    Then there is the salary cap. But that is the big excuse people make for Gainey, the cap. But look at what he does with what little salary there is, wasting it on the likes of Johnson, Downie, Ninnima, Samsonov….and not rewarding the hard workig Pleks and Bonk…yet paying Dandy and Bouilly more than they are really worth or could ever get anywhere else!

  29. #29 fan4066 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    I always took Gainey to be smarter than that. It just seems that everything is all over the map right now.

    The real big Qiestion is, can the Habs salvage the rest of the season with some big wins, and carry that into the playoffs and whip the shit out of Buffalo…thats the question.

    We finished 8th last year, and had the Canes down 2-0. The Canes team siad Montreal was their toughest series

  30. #30 DIE_HARD_HABS_FAN says:
    March 22, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Montreal will make the Playoffs and upset Buffalo. 4-3. They will go on to the Stanley Cup finals led by our Rookies.

    Laugh if you will.

    I have faith in our Habs of Montreal. The sun will shine on our Habs again.

  31. The reason why we have gotten rid of these coaches over the years is because we have not had the talent, I agree with some posts here. If we had the talent like Pittsburgh or even the Devils, those coaches would have been fine here. We need to get the talent to be able to compete with the big boys, we do not have it right now.

    Ziman

  32. #32 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    I agree with Die_Hard, early in the season I saw a miracle, it was a habs team largely of rookies, and they were good. It is too bad that Gainey had to split it up, if I were GM I would have kept them as long as they were winning or wait out the slump.

  33. #33 LJ55 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Our farm system and drafting has been excellent the last few years. Especially our picks outside the first round. looks like timmins has found several possible late round steals the last couple of drafts. I was amazed when someone said our drafting has been extremely poor. and our farm system was so so. wow that’s completely devoid of realitly. most of the players we’ve drafted the last 2 years have had breakout years the year after they were drafted, that to me suggests excellent scouting. we didn’t even have enough prospects or decent youngsters to fill out our farm team before BG and his staff took over. we use to share hamilton with edmonton, now we have full control and with all our kids playing together down there they have excelled. the scouting staff deserve’s alot of credit for this as well.

    I really hope we let the kids take bigger roles on the Habs next year, i hope we don’t get another b level free agent. we should only sign a free agent if it’s a guy we really want/need. the last thing i want to see is another guy like Samsanov taking minutes away from one of our promising youngsters.

  34. #34 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    We all keep waiting for Gainey to pull the bunny outta the magic hat. Last year his bunny was Downie, then over the summer Samsonov and Ninnima. None of his magic tricks are impressive. That is what he leaves Carbo to play with.

    And Carbo needs to settle down, enough of the line juggling and basically moving rookies with old vets, its not gonna work!

  35. #35 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    Maybe the United Nations should give the Habs a tax receipt, cause you know why? Cause Bob Gainey is running the UNICEF of Hockey! Yes, he is paying these international players more than they are worth!!!!

  36. #36 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Buffalo just loves Gainey’s bunnies, cause they are so pretty and soft, trouble is we need hockey players not pushovers like Ninnima and Johnson! Even Downie has gone soft!

  37. #37 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    That’s the new names for the Habs! Gainey’s easter bunnies! Oh ya, I can just hear Bob Cole give the play by play on that one!

  38. #38 Rubberman says:
    March 22, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Bunny, I’d take a playboy bunny. Perky $%#s and a nice round #$@@.

    But seriously, in a profession league, should an ex-player get a coaching job when he doesn’t have the COACHING experience? NO

    As for Gainey getting rid of Julien, cause it wasn’t his decision to hire him was pretty stupid. Think about it, the players Julien had, weren’t his choice, especially at the end.

    And for all you know it alls: Gainey isn’t the saviour that you think he is. If he was, Markov would have been signed before Christmas…

  39. Joshtm: what the hell are you taleking about? Revise what you say before you actually post it. You make yourslef look like a moron.

    Post 32

    JOSHTM: “I agree with Die_Hard, early in the season I saw a miracle, it was a habs team largely of rookies, and they were good. It is too bad that Gainey had to split it up, if I were GM I would have kept them as long as they were winning or wait out the slump.”

    DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING???
    We had Latendresse as a full time rookie in this organization, and all others just came to play a game or twon when a player would be injured.

    Now, let’s check how many full time rookies we have in the team:
    -LATENDRESSE
    -LAPIERRE
    -KOSTYSTIN
    -HALAK

    Buddy what what you write. Im trying not to be offensive. You’re a great blogger, but you sometimes say things that are off the wall

    Anyways, good luck habs for tonight!

    !!!!!!!!GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. REVISE WHAT YOU WRITE*

  41. #41 Habs#1 says:
    March 22, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    Markov is a lock to come back. And if you didn’t know Gainey has a policy where he doesn’t nogociate contract extentions during the season. He’s said so publically.

    That’s Markov hasn’t signed the 3-4 year deal worth 4 mil per they have waiting for him to sign at the end of the season.

  42. #42 chitownhabsfan says:
    March 22, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    For men, the mind is the second thing to go!!

    Carbo is making some fundamental mistakes that no coach [rookie or not] should be making, simple as that. And the Habs players are observing this and wondering, what the hell is going on??

    Didn’t Gainey teach him anything last year?? Or didn’t Carbo learn anything last year, that was the objective of Gainey being the coach after letting Julien go.

    Just as video is used to review the play of an upcoming opponent, video should be used by the Habs coaching staff to review the Habs players actions as well as what the coaching staff is doing in specific situations and noting the results. If the results are negative, find another process or course of action, don’t continually repeat it expecting a different outcome.

    Geez!!

  43. #43 chitownhabsfan says:
    March 22, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    “Montreal will make the Playoffs and upset Buffalo. 4-3. They will go on to the Stanley Cup finals led by our Rookies.”

    My response to the above is to simply say: “Say NO to drugs!!”

    Your statement: I have faith in our Habs of Montreal. The sun will shine on our Habs again. When?? or, are you going to leave it open ended and if it happens in 2057, you will say you were right all along??

    I am not as optimistic as you are, here is my statement: Montreal Canadiens: Our past is brighter than our future.

    La Fierté pour toujours.

  44. #44 Gumper says:
    March 22, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Of the coaches mentioned, if i had to pick one it would have to be Julien simply because the Devils can be deadly any year come playoff time (in the last 10 at least). Having said that, i don’t think any of these will do it this year.

    On the subject of a possible firing of Carbo.. who knows. I’ll say this though, I think Gainey’s going to give him a real crack at this job simply because Gainey “don’t give a turd” what these blogs or the press thinks of his decisions or lack thereof.

  45. #45 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    Gumper is right on, yes we all agree Gainey doesn’t give a turd, cause hey Gumper Bob Gainey says he can’t give a turd cause your head’s way up his you know what, he wants you to take your head out of his you know what cause your brown nosing is pretty serious…and yes we also agree that Bob Gainey doesn’t give a turd to begin with, never did when he came, last year when he couldn’t do nothing when he was both coach and GM it kinda showed…he doesn’t care if the habs win or lose, hey he is only happy getting paid highly for doing nothing!

    Yes he has made Montreal the UNICEF of Hockey, where old retired Vets go to die, you know, whether they survive the fall of the old Soviet Union, or poisoning by KGB agents in Finland, or hey are just plain washed up American College hockey players, or if they are just plain bad, BoB Gainey has a sign hanging outside the Belle Centre: “Give me your broken down, give me your washed up hockey players”….

    Actually by the way fan4066 I guess you were not around early in the season, we had full time Chippy, Grabby, Milroy, and of course your full time rookie Lat, and a couple of more rookies like Lapierre, D’Agostino…but hey if you wanna play the old Bob Gainey Propaganda Mill of Everythings Fine in Baghdad Bell Centre, be my guest, you and Dick Cheney must both have queer kids and bad aim, not to mention an awful sketchy grasp of reality…..

  46. #47 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    Here let me do my Don Cherry Impression:

    DIDN’T AH TELL YA!!! DIDN’T AH TELL YA!!! THEY WOULD FIGURE DANDENAULT AND BOUILLON OUT!!! SEE I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

    Well maybe they will stand a chance now with the penalty, but honestly, that was great team work by Dandenault and Bouillon, moving the puck to the front of the net, and screening Halak, honestly, if only they could assists for giving the puck away they would surpass little Koivu!!!

  47. Anyone else notice Ryder drawing a lot of penalties lately?Good on him eh.

  48. #49 R habs 4 real says:
    March 22, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    Do the habs look like a team that wants to make the playoffs? NO! NO! NO!
    THEY DIDN’T EVEN SHOW UP! There is absolutely NO DEFENCE! NONE WHATSOEVER!
    If they play this way the rest of the game, they WILL LOSE! More so, THEY WON’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! They look totally disinterested in this game.
    They should be playing like their lives depend on this game, but instead I think they’re thinking more about their golf clubs!
    Why did I ever think they had a chance to make the playoff? I must have been off my rocker to have faith in this team!

  49. #50 Joshtm says:
    March 22, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    Too bad Dandenault and Bouillon couldn’t do what they did in the other end of the ice, you see that mark of a good coach or GM is they would take that play where Dandenault and Bouillon both worked together to score on their own goalie! Classic Anti-Habs…I bet Dandy and Bouilly are on the combined payroll of the eastern conference, to play against their own team!

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