Cole dealt to Dallas for Ryder
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I’m about to board a plane for Tampa but wanted to get this up. Welcome back Michael Ryder.. Shocking news to say the least. What do you think?
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- Senet1 : Actually I agree it was a good move for them to play a shorter season and get the experience. He could not have played in the minors this year he would have had to play junior or the NHL. However, he now has a year under him and knows what to expect next year and hopefully take a bigger responsibility on the team. Did you see those two goals in the bronze game? Wow.
- muller93 : Good move by the Habs not having Galchenyuk play in the minors. Now Galchenyuk has 1 year in the NHL and playoff experience this is going to pay off big time come next year.
- Senet1 : Galchenyuk scores to back to back goals in shoot out to help USA win Bronze metal. I did not see the second goal but the first was a beauty.
- Senet1 : So we could pick anywhere from 25th to 23rd depending on who wins these quarter final series.
- Senet1 : First, is the 14 teams in the lottery. Then there are 12 teams that did not make the semi finals in the order of the seasonal finish, Then there are the four teams in the semi final the first two eliminated pick in the order of the regular season points total and the last two based on who wins and who loses the cup. So as it stand now if say Detroit beats Chicago then Detroit moves up to pick after us. Boston or NYR will move up and pick after us. LA or San Jose will move up and pick after us
- Senet1 : Basically, I was wrong about the draft pick situation. There are three groups of drafting teams within the 30 teams.
- Senet1 : seriously ready to challenge for the cup. He will us win games but he will not be the difference between winning the cup and not winning the cup. You pick up players like that once you have the team ready to challenge,.
- Senet1 : I am looking at the players to draft and there are a lot of big 6'3-6'5 forwards available ion the draft this year. If we could draft 3-4 big young players in the 2nd and 3rd round why would you want to give that up for a roster player who may have 2-3 years at best. If we are going to build a winner to have to build it with bigger players and there are a lot of good big players available this year. So you sign Ott and he is with us for the short run, but probably not when we are seriously re
- Senet1 : Boullion is a great mentor for the young D-men
- muller93 : Boullion is one of MBs great additions--Boull ion is a definite Keeper.
- muller93 : Getting rid of Kaberle frees up a lot of cash. Boullion is small but is reliable and doesn't back down from anyone.
- muller93 : Exactly Goalie any thoughts on a punishing D-man?
- goalie : They;re showing determination adn skill vs Ducks and Blackhawks.
- goalie : REd Wings could turn out to be the surprise team of this year's playoffs!
- goalie : WE need to rid our team of Kaberle and Webber. Step two would be to then move Diaz. If we get that big d-man I believe that would push Boullion to # 7 on the chart. We'd then go with Georges, PK,Markov (to continue mentoring Ememlin) Tinordi as our starting six . THEN I'd be excited about our chances. We could then work on getting bigger forwards.
- goalie : I too would gladly give up a 3rd round pick for Ott- the type of player we sadly lack. AND if we could get one more rugged, expeienced defenceman it would help immensely.
- muller93 : Senet what you are saying makes sense but if we can get Ott for a 3rd round I'll take that all day.
- muller93 : MB should be looking at a big D-man first, even though I like our blue line with the addition of Tinordi. We need that insurance just in case one gets injured. Also I'm a firm believer in starting with the goalie first then-defense-for wards-and we already have good goalie. We have all noticed when we have the lead Price is tough to beat.
- Senet1 : So sometimes you have to sacrifice for one year or two to build that team in the draft. then add the finishing touches through FA and trades.
- Senet1 : Muller, Detroit is another good example. They have been in the hunt every year with good well balanced teams yet only one or two cups to show for it. However, they have built a team that has a chance every years for the last 10+ years. That is what I think we have a chance to do this year with a good draft. It reminds me of the habs teams of the mid 80 and 90's we built a team then with sold draft picks and won the cup twice during that time period. So sometimes you have to sacrifice a one
- muller93 : Very true Senet, you do need luck and we haven't had any luck it seems since the habs moved to the Bell Center. We had an incredible run in 2010 with some crazy goal tending from Halak. With Galchenyuk-Tinor di-Gallagher all in 1 year--not too bad, even with an early exit in the playoffs.
- Senet1 : Muller I guess we all have our own ideas, but there has never been too many times that were successful when they traded their draft picks away. We have a chance to build this team so we have a shot at winning the cup over the next 10 years. Even as good as Pittsburgh has been they have only won the cup once since Crosby and Malkin have been with the team. That is because you not only need great players but you need luck to win, but one thing about Pittsburgh they have a chance every year. The
- muller93 : Good point on Torres, he might be a liability. Torres has to tone it down a bit, but that's his game-very aggressive.
- goalie : Though I don't condone what Raffi Torres did - thos shows you how repeat offenders or near offenders are going to be treated. His hit was NOT illegal BUT what the rap sheet adn reputation Torres has he got severly punished. Lesson to be learned by OTHER players because Torres dopesn't learn fromk his mistakes.
- muller93 : Senet normally I would agree with you on not trading draft picks but we are not in a rebuilding stage. Sometimes draft picks can be a roll of the dice and it can take up to 3 years to be NHL ready. We have a good team and I agree with Stuo players like Clowe-Torres-Ott -Scott will make a big difference. Somebody has to protect Gallagher, he can't keep getting hit the way does--we need a tough forward so they think twice before going after Gallagher.
- Senet1 : Really a heathly Habs team would probably win more games against the Pens that we did against the Sens. Reason they Pens would not play as physical against us as against the Sens. If we get good goaltending we win at least two games.
- zpezada4ok : hello all «link»
- stuo11 : hes a tougher big guy too! Just a minor adjustment but will help a bit
- stuo11 : hes better than markov, and hes french who was in mention for defenceman of the year
- goalie : Markov for Beauchemin - an injury prone d-man for an ;old timer'd-man. Beauchemin is NOT what the Habs need in my opinion. He is a HUGE defensive liability.
- goalie : Stuo 11 I'd make that trade with Oilers fast BUT I doubt the Oilers will make that. Two marginal d-men at the best for a switch of first round picks - not a chance .
- stuo11 : markov for beachemin?
- stuo11 : let moen go
- stuo11 : maybe try and get steve begin back
- stuo11 : we wouldve kicked out all other teams but pens, sens,
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February 26, 2013 at 9:15 pm
I like Ryder. I think the trade is not one I would have made unless I needed a salary dump for an upcoming aquisition. I’ll be waiting to see if this is a precursor to something, or if this was actually a face value trade, because on the face value, I really dislike it.
February 26, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I like the trade only for one reason, Cole is not producing, he may retire the end of this year and if age is a factor of his play then dealing him right now was probably the best time while we are playing well and before his salary become a problem. Goals are even in the trade and ryder should improve the PP. He is two years younger, so that is a bonus and or wait we get a 3rd round draft pick to boot. So long run i believe we win the trade, short run I believe it is even. There is a trade off, but only if Cole starts to perform. If he doesn’t and Ryder continues to score as he has this year then we win outright. That is how i see it.
February 27, 2013 at 10:20 am
Well, Cole and Ryder play different games. We give up someone with size, speed, and an ability to crash the front of the net. If this had been Gionta or Bourque, I could understand it, but Cole? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
March 1, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Well if Cole was actually doing those things this year he would still be a Hab. I believe that the long layoff hurt him and he has not caught up to the rest of the players who have been playing since September. If I am right then trading him now was probably a good thing as he will be another year older and he may just retire. If he does not respond to the trade and start to perform then it will make the trade look pretty good. We got something for him before he retired or became untradable.
If in three or four years that 3rd round pick develops into a good player it will certain make the trade look pretty good.
March 1, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Here is Eric Engels comments on the trade.
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Every trade has to have a winner or a loser, but when two 35-goal scorers switch teams, it’s hard to call either of them a loser. And that’s purely from a hockey perspective because from a business perspective, it’s crystal clear as to who won this deal.
Erik Cole’s nine million dollars until 2015 are now on Dallas’ books, while the Canadiens have reacquired a Michael Ryder who makes a million less on a contract that expires at season’s end.
Back to the hockey side of things, Dallas will benefit from Cole’s leadership, his work ethic, his energy, and yes, even his scoring. His 35 goals last season are nothing to scoff at, in spite of his slow start to this season. This is a proven player who brings more in his all around game at 5-on-5 than Ryder did for the Stars, and there’s reason to believe Cole’s ready to start filling the net at a more respectable pace.
There’s no disputing the reality that the Canadiens got the best out of Cole in year one of a four-year deal that would fall under heavier scrutiny with each passing game over the course of the next two and a half seasons.
And maybe the Stars got the best out of Ryder in year one of his two-year contract. Scoring 35 goals for 3.5 million dollars is even better value than what Cole gave the Canadiens last year.
But Ryder’s erased the notion that his production would dwindle with Mike Ribiero’s trade to Washington, as he’s collected 14 points in 19 games. And while the six goals are double what Cole’s delivered, the Canadiens benefit most from what Ryder will bring to their powerplay; a loaded gun on the left side.
And then there’s the durability factor. Ryder has appeared in 650 NHL games out of a possible 675. That’s freakish! Cole, like Ryder, played all 82 games last year and all 19 this year, but missed 116 games to injury throughout his career. Ryder is also two years younger than Cole.
There’s no way of knowing where Ryder or Cole will find chemistry with their new teams, or even if they will, but Ryder returns to familiar territory, where he succeeded mightily.
I’m not ignoring the bad that pushed Ryder out of Montreal. His work ethic often came under question when he was here, as did his hockey sense. His defensive play left much to be desired. But Ryder’s been through a lot since his last days with Montreal, and he’s managed to produce quite consistently throughout his career.
Ryder, an eigth-round selection in 1999, was elevated from the ECHL to the AHL and inevitably given a chance to cement himself as an NHL mainstay by Claude Julien, then coach of the Canadiens, he who had also tutored the young sniper in the QMJHL with Hull. He repaid Julien and the Canadiens with 207 points in 314 games, 99 of which were goals. He was an overwhelming -24 over that period of time, but over the four and a half seasons with Boston and Dallas, he managed an incredible +47.
And then there’s the matter of Marc Bergevin getting the Stars to throw a third-round pick his way.
Ryder’s expected to make his debut in Toronto and Cole’s already left for Dallas. The Canadiens have to be thankful for what Cole brought to them over his time here, but ultimately, Bergevin’s timing on this trade couldn’t have been better. The Canadiens sit first in the conference, and the GM has given the coach a new ingredient to add to the mix. The team’s excelled despite Cole’s lethargy, and if Ryder can maintain the pace he started on in Dallas, that’s a major short-term bonus.
Long-term, the Canadiens have cleared significant room off the cap and bolstered their draft arsenal without negatively impacting the team’s current standing.
It’s not a loss for Dallas, but it’s a huge win for the Canadiens.