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Daniel Briere and Vincent Lecavalier

  • Anytime a talented French Canadian hockey player is a free agent or on the trading block, the Montreal Canadiens rumors begin to swirl.

    Daniel Briere and Vincent Lecavalier find themselves both in that situation.

    Briere who scored 95 points with the Sabres this year is an unrestricted free agent. Vincent Lecavalier who may have been the NHL’s best forward this season is on a Tampa team that can’t afford to keep their 3 big stars.

    It’s far more likely that Montreal would make Briere an offer than Tampa willingly dispense of Lecavalier. But if Tampa’s problems are as bad as they are rumored to be, and Lecavalier does go somewhere, Montreal would be a logical choice for obvious reasons.

    Neither would come cheaply.

    Carey Price is the name that comes up when Lecavalier’s does. Tampa has had terrible goaltending sturggles since winning the Cup and losing Khabibulin in 2004. Bob Gainey’s surprise 5th overall pick signed with the Canadiens in April. Gainey’s surprise pick is now a potential bargaining chip gaining in value. Price certainly wouldn’t go alone in a one for one swap and there are only so many talented players and prospects in the Canadiens organization.

    This is assuming the Canadiens could even make room to afford either of these high price tags.

    Lecavalier is a franchise player who would be Montreal’s first home grown Superstar in many many years. It’s easy to imagine the excitement and energy in Montreal if Vinny ever became a Hab. The Canadiens would instantly be a better team.

    Briere is an offensively gifted scorer – but another diminutive Center on a Canadiens roster that has been lacking size and strength for a very long time.

    Should the Canadiens actively pursue either of them? Do they try and trade the farm for Lecavalier? Or shuffle some money and players around and give Briere a competitive offer with a slice of hometown stardom being the incentive?

54 Comments
  1. #1 Habs#1 says:
    May 22, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    To get Vinny in a trade, the Habs would have to give up Price, Higgins and probably either Komisarek or a first rounder and one of the two Russian defenceman(Emelin or Valentenko), and he wouldn’t be dumb enough to give up the future for one guy, even if it is Vinny Lecavelier. And even if Gainey did that Vinny’s salary wouldn’t fit under the cap. So that won’t happen. Maybe in two years when he’s a UFA again and realises that he won’t win in Tampa. But until 2009, Vinny won’t be in MTL.

    That leaves Briere. If you want to wait it out for someone bigger fine. But you’ll have to wait a while(probably till Vinny becomes UFA). If you want immediate improvement, then go with Briere. It’ll cost the Habs 6.5 million per season but if it’s a 3 year deal it’s worth it.

    I still believe that Souray will be to expensive and that Schneider is the way to go and he actually wants to come back to Montreal to play for his friend Carbonneau, and guys who want to come or come back to Montreal are a rarety these days so they should jump at him. And replace Bonk with Zubrus. He still lives in Montreal in the offseason and his fiancee is Quebecois.

    Buying out Sammy and finding someone(come on Washington!) to dance with Kovalev will allow the Habs to do all this.

    And unless someone wants to contribute more then just “Koivu sucks and he takes too many penalties. Bob Gainey sucks, he’s never accomplished anything and hates the Habs(are you kidding me. That’s the most retarted thing ever). Guy Carbonneau is a horrible and always will be(just like Therrien and Vineualt right?). The Habs will always suck unless Andre Savard the great comes back!” then don’t call other opinions stupid. It’s very ironic.

  2. #2 nigelski says:
    May 22, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    Yeah, Lecavalier isn’t a likely acquisition, I tend to agree, Habs#1. And you hit the nail on the head about the price being too high. In any case, I’m not sure that they would actually trade a guy who was so high in league scoring (2nd I believe) for any amount of goaltending or prospects–to any team. Stranger things have happenned, but I don’t see it.

    Briere was quoted as saying he wants to stay in Buffalo the other day, and would only think about other options should that be out of the question. Doesn’t bode too well for any teams thinking of pursuing him, us included. Time will settle all that…

    I personally don’t want to see Zubrus back. I wasn’t a huge fan when he was here before, and I’m not now either. He did next to nothing after Buffalo got him at the deadline, and his only good seasons have come playing with Ovechkin. He has said he likes the city and all that about his girl being from Mtl, so he likely would want to play for the habs, but does he keep producing like in Washington, or does he play like he did in Philly and Mtl? After the Samsonov and Kovalev signings, I’d be leery about signing him, unless he came dirt cheap(which he won’t).

  3. #3 Joshtm says:
    May 22, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    I see Habs#1 was pretty quiet during the slump, and now he pretends he knows everything. Fact: Gainey loves both Dandenault and Bouillon, even though they are probably the worst defensemen in the whole of the NHL. What makes you think that Gainey would even entertain bringing winners to Montreal, more like he would consider giving Dandenault and Bouillon a raise in hopes that they would try and improve, and worse yet, extend Samsonov with the same mistaken belief.

    Let’s face it, at trade deadline Gainey didn’t budge. What makes you think he’ll budge now? Even with the loss of Perezhoigin and his piddly salary, like that gives Gainey room to manouver?

  4. #4 Habs#1 says:
    May 22, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    Quite during the slump? Ya, I hated how the Habs were doing but I blame the players, not management.

    Gainey has his hands tied in a situation like a slump. He would’ve needed to give up way more then he should for an okay player, and the team probably still wouldn’t have made the playoffs cause one trade wasn’t going to make a difference. And a team isn’t going to overhaul itself during a season.

    And as of right now, the Habs have less about 20 million to do something with if the cap goes up to the projected 48 million.

    And Boullion and Deandenault are already on cheap long term deals. He’s not allowed to give them reaises as per rules in the CBA.

    Dandenault will be traded, and Sammy will be bought out. That’s another 3 million in cap space right there. Dandenault is a cheap veteran defenceman, someone will take him. And if Gainey can find another sucker, like he did with Theo, to take Kovalev off of his hands, that’s another 4.5 million which would give the Habs 27.5 million to play with.

  5. #5 Joshtm says:
    May 22, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    I guess you didn’t hear me the first time. And stop mocking those people who see Gainey for what he really is. A cheapskate, a loser, a bought out exec. paid to make sure the habs don’t win.

    And what is all the crap about “don’t blame management?”. Hey, the ducks did well to tamper with their lines and traded, that is why they got their foot in the door, even with a salary cap, and for a far cheaper pay roster than Gainey’s.

    Nope, I bet Gainey could go to a yard sale and pay premium price for an old K-tel Patti-stacker, or think he’s hit pay dirt with an eight track tape, he is yesterday’s Polyester Side Burn man. He don’t know how to play monopoly, and that is what Hockey has become a business.

    So far he’s bought himself a K-mart of hockey teams, a Walmart, a Zellers, and heck throw in a Loonie store (Loonie for Kovalev and Samsonov- both raving mad russians!)

    Nope, look at the money he wasted on Johnson!

  6. #6 Joshtm says:
    May 22, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Hey if there are any sucker of a GM it’s Gainey. What looked like a promising team in the summer, ended up being a dud early in the season when Gainey brought on Downie, Johnson and Samsonov. While other teams hedged their bets on their rookies and got their foot in the door later in the year for second round play off berths Gainey decided not to allow the habs to win. I am sure other teams went “what a sucker Gainey is” for bringing on Johnson and Samsonov and not doing anything about the losers Dandenault and Bouillon. While other teams bench their losing defensemen, Gainey played Dandenault and Bouillon, benching them only some 10 or 20 games each, but only because they had the flu.

    Gainey had a choice to play what he played, like as if he would give Carboneau that much independence to select who Guy would play or not. Everyone knows Gainey is a control freak. And he didn’t admit he made a mistake with signing Samosonov and Johnson and Downie.

    Honestly, the GM has more to do with how a team plays or not, in today’s hockey world the coach all he does in Montreal is juggle the lines, that’s all Gainey allows him to do. Bob doesn’t even let Guy speak to his own rookie prospects! What kind of disjoint is that? In a healthy NHL team, the management and coaching staff know who their rookies are. Not Montreal.

  7. #7 Avatar37 says:
    May 22, 2007 at 8:58 pm

    The Leafs have $36 million in committed salaries for next season. Their UFAs and RFAs are Aubin, Colaiacovo, White, Antropov, O’Neil, Perrault, Battaglia, Peca and Green. The Habs have $25 million committed in salaries for next season, with their UFAs and RFAs being Aebischer, Markov, Souray, Komisarek, Gorges, Niinimaa, Plekanec, Higgins, Ryder, Johnson, Bonk. Aebischer and Niinimaa should be let go from that list… Samsonov should be bought out since he can’t be traded… Kovalev will probably be kept on, hoping that he can bring his game back up with the right surrounding. Personally, I think Kovalev would match up well with Smyth.. Smyth would take the heat off Kovalev plus he’s able to not only go and dig the puck out of the corners but he goes to the front of nets for passes/rebounds. I think the Habs have a good shot at picking up Smyth, but they should forget about Briere… Too small too expensive.

  8. #8 Habs#1 says:
    May 22, 2007 at 9:01 pm

    Don’t mock people who don’t like Gainey?

    Fine, then don’t do it to people who do.

  9. #9 Joshtm says:
    May 22, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Oh look, the Emperor has no clothes! Isn’t that shocking when you are shown to be blind to the truth?

    Hey Avatar, Gainey repeated it during the trade deadline and at the end of the season, he doesn’t see anything wrong with the habs, which means he’ll entertain any new offer from this current bunch of losers. His great “chemistry”…his lovely Ninnima, his great Johnson, and he just adores Abby, but he has his greatest love for the greatest losers Dandy and Bouilly.

    Wake up, smell the coffee. The Habs are in for another rollercoaster season, where Gainey destroys the confidence of the rookies, yanking them back and forth, look at what he did to promising Dannis. He’ll do the same thing to Price, and substitute Price’s name with any other prospect. At least Lat and Lapierre survived Gainey’s head tricks. At least they have a chance.

    And like I said before Biron will retire a rookie.

  10. #10 Avatar37 says:
    May 22, 2007 at 10:00 pm

    Gainey doesn’t see anything wrong with the Habs? Or is it simply that the Habs have garbage playing for them and no one wants them? And good players don’t want to come to Montreal? Gainey doesn’t destroy the confidence of rookies, the idiot fans in Montreal do. Now people are critisizing Ryder even though he lead the team in scoring (30 goals). He’s done nothing but get consistently better every year, does he get mentioned? Nope, he’s not french. Let’s instead cheer for Lapierre and Latendresse even though they are unproven and let’s boo Koivu even though he had a career high for points. Kovalev may be a lazy player but he has a point when he says the media and fans in montreal don’t help or support the players on the team. As for the “promising” Danis, everyone kept saying the same thing about the “promising” Garon… remind me where he is again? Or the “promising” Theodore? How long did they stick with him before getting lucky enough to dump him? Once fans start appreciating good NON french players in montreal then maybe you’ll see more of them actually wanting to play there. Niinimaa isn’t a good player but hey, it’s all he could get for that bum “I’m going to flop around on the ice” Ribeiro. Niinimaa was never meant for a long term solution, he was a short term gap fill. Johnson is actually a good defensive player (we gave up Zednik and moved up 1 round in the draft in the Johnson deal) so it was a good move by Gainey. Bonk and Johnson are part of the reason (along with Begin and Huet) that this team had such a highly rated PK unit for most of the season. Bonk, Johnson, and Begin make a great checking line… The problem isn’t with them, it’s with the first two lines. Montreal can’t score, and that is a combination of players and strategy. They need players that are more physical, and they need a better system than cycling the puck in the corner with no one in front of the net.

  11. Diminutive?,more like 7th or 8th graders on human growth hormones!Our Habs are puny and have been for way ,way too long!And you want more small players ?Habs#1 ,are you a Keebler elf or a Santa’s Nome ?If you were G.M.,THE FANS WOULD NEED Magnifying glasses to see that team at the Bell center!!!!We need the biggest team in the N.H.L.to start with.And we need Smyth for character !And we need Kovalev , Samsonov and the rest of those bush league performers the HELL out of Montreal ,NOW !!!!ENOUGH IS ENOUGH DAM IT !!!! AND YEAH, I WANT OUR TEAM TO WIN THE CUP NEXT YEAR GOD DAM IT!I’m sick of the losing!!! I WANT CHANGES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. #12 Joshtm says:
    May 22, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Gee Avatar, where can we get your prescription for rose colored glasses? Honestly, yanking rookies back and forth between the farm and the team, has never been good on any NHL team. In fact that is what many hockey analyst have noticed to destroy even the most promising goalie that the habs have ever had, except of course for Dryden, for Roy, but otherwise, especially under Gainey, Halak, showed tremendous promise, but after being yanked back and forth, forced to sit on the bench and watch Abby play like crap, kind of destroyed the confidence Halak had early on in the season. If you can’t see that, then my friend you are blind.

    You can’t blame the media for players who were not the greatest before they came to Montreal, and guess what, if they had poor stats before coming (ie: Johnson, Samsonov) guess what, they ain’t gonna produce cause hey, they just don’t have it. All they might have going for them is a BS agent who forces an outrageous contract. And guess what, if they were underachieving, lacklustre players before they came to Montreal, guess what, they are gonna remain lacklustre players when they play for the Habs, media or not. Put the blame where it belongs. To the GM for signing these losers to begin with, for eating up the salary cap, and for turning a blind eye to those players who want to come to Montreal and who have good skills and high salary demands. If Gainey didn’t waste the salary cap on horrible players, when there is a real good player available, there is no room to manouver. And Gainey doesn’t wanna admit a mistake on that.

    The only way Montreal is gonna win, is get a winning GM and coach.

  13. #13 Avatar37 says:
    May 22, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    Moving players between the minors and the majors is part of *every* NHL team… and is how most rookies break into the lineup, unless you’re Crosby. Most players learn and grow from the experience. Halak showed tremendous promise, and guess what, he still does! But Huet is our goalie, so why don’t we try actually supporting him not only when he’s performing like an allstar but maybe during the few games when he doesn’t.

    And I don’t recall blaming the media and fans for Samsonov or Johnson (although I have no idea why you think Johnson is a bad player, when in fact he’s quite a good player), I’m blaming them for players like Shanahan, and other unknown free agents that didn’t want to come to Montreal because of the environment leaving Gainey scrambling to sign anyone who will, like … oh, Samsonov! And he would have been better not signing anyone, but the media and fans would have all complained (oh Gainey didn’t do any moves)… Frankly, the team needs to tear down and rebuild but … the fans and media don’t have the patience for it. Which is why Ottawa is going to win a cup and we are out of the playoffs. Again, the problems with this team are not the GM or the coach. Gainey is a great leader and a great GM. Carbs is a rookie and he’s learning. For the first time in I don’t know how long the Habs were leading the league in special teams… PP, PK, and shorthanded goals. They need alot of help in their 5 on 5 play, and hopefully that’s something they can address this year. Some players who are willing to play physically, like Smyth, would be a great start, and not some small forward like Briere.

  14. #14 Rubberman says:
    May 22, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    I couldn’t do Gainey’s job, even if I wanted to. I don’t agree with some of his decisions and free agent signings but no one knows what goes on in his office. Every stupid idiot second guess what he does.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want a winning Habs team. Would I trade for Vinny, you bet your ass I would. Would I trade Price and Higgins for him, I would. Price might be great, as Higgins will probably get better but Vinny is a NATURAL GOAL SCORER, who would probably have a few 50 goal seasons in Montreal. Higgins won’t (NEVER), Price is still 2/3 years away. Having Lecavalier in MTL, Gainey could encourage other’s to sign here. I don’t foresee a cup, but at least a decent crack at it by making it to the semi’s or even finals.

    Make the call, Bob. You ain’t got nothing to lose. In fact, us fans deserve better than the last 10 or so years…

  15. #15 9631hab says:
    May 22, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    what the hell are you guys talking about gainey is a great gm. We were the best canadian team before christmas and that was with samsonov playing like shit. Gainey is a gm god we have a great team and now and a good string of prospects. you guys wouldnt have said shit if huet would have kept healthy because we would have probably been in the playoffs. we have great goaltending, a solid defence and a young, speedy offence. i think if we keep samsonov and he plays like he did in boston and it looks like his agent talked him into playing another year with the habs we will have a killer team. especially if higgins plays like he did last year or even developes into an even better player. It also looks like souray wants to come back and so does markov…………….holy crap give gainey a chance. He is a good old defender he is going to build from the goaltender up, not offence first

  16. #16 joburg says:
    May 23, 2007 at 12:18 am

    #11 Xhabfan……… I like what you say, look at Anaheimn, they have some real big boys playing there, yeah they have a couple name players, but mainly guys who are willing to pay the price and work hard every gane. The Habs need to get rid of the lazy garbage players, and everyone knows who they are!
    Get players who are willing to work every game, and Please please please
    don’t even think…don’t even-Think- about signing that “loser everywhere he has been” Bertuzzi, and same for Lindros.
    Gainey will turn this team, he has been a winner everywhere he has been, but it’s not an overnight fix

  17. #17 nilan says:
    May 23, 2007 at 8:28 am

    Settle down kids. Please remember that our beloved Habs and the beloved game they play remain in the rhealm of entertainment. Whether they go 82-0 or 0-82, the world still turns. Either way I will be there, either in the building or in front of the TV, for all 82- cheering with my brethren. Neither Gainey nor Koivu suck. GO HABS GO!

  18. #18 smiler2729 says:
    May 23, 2007 at 9:21 am

    Who really cares who wears the sweaters, just fill them with exciting players! Lecavalier and Briere are both great to watch so I don’t care who gets traded as long as we get one or both of them and the Habs are competitive and fun to root for… ’nuff said.

    I just don’t want to go through yet another frustrating season as a fan, last season was maddening eh.

  19. I would trade Souray,Koivu, Kovalev and Huet for Briere and Lecavalier, bring both of them to montreal ! And the cup is ours !

  20. #20 Signings says:
    May 23, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    I personally wouldn’t sign any player who has a terrible plus minus record, and I don’t even care if he can score 50 goals. Plus minus is one of the most important stats, where you really see which players help in the long run and which don’t. So, don’t even try to re-sign Souray.

  21. #21 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    May 23, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Their is some interesting trade speculation: Another I have heard in few different forums is Gainey is trying to trade Kovalev and Samsonov for Richards of Tampa??? Which speculates neither Briere or Lecavalier would be in Montreal in the next few years.

    Our two Russian defensive prospects(Emelin or Valentenko), may be old men bye the time they are able to play for the Habs because the Russian Hockey Federation has refusal to sign an NHL/International Ice Hockey Federation transfer agreement.

  22. #22 Habs#1 says:
    May 23, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    I heard the same thing about Richards and the Sammy/Kovalev deal.

    But if you were Tampa, would you take two underacehiving Russians for Richards? Who knows. But then the fans and french media would be howling that they didn’t get Lecavelier.

    And the Habs would be paying a guy who got 70 points last year 8 million per season. His numbers plumeted when Freddy Modin got traded to Columbus. He’s nothing without a solid power winger. And Latendresse isn’t solid yet.

  23. #23 Joshtm says:
    May 23, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    Like as if Gainey cares too, like the previous poster said, its only entertainment after all, why even worry about fans or how they like to see their team win?

    Well Gainey is gonna learn a tough lesson, as will Gillett, in order to fill the Bell centre, the habs gotta win most of the time. They can’t be led by little Sakku and his slump of hooking penalties, or the nasty duo of Dandenault and Bouillon, the anti-habs saboteurs!

    Why should Gainey do any trades, cause, hey he’s just gonna re-sign these people with whatever they want, if Samsonov wants more, heck Gainey will give him more, if Kovalev wants Gainey to grovel, heck Gainey will grovel, cause hey Gainey doesn’t care, its only entertainment afterall isn’t it?

  24. #24 Joshtm says:
    May 23, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    Flash Forward to 2010. “well, Gainey is GM-God, he’s won elsewhere he’s gonna win here, just give him a few more years of rookies….” and “Carbo’s still a rookie GM, he’s gonna learn…”

    Man talk about being in heavy denial. It doesn’t take two seasons to figure out Gainey doesn’t have what it takes. And this is Carbo’s second season behind the bench, like you would have thought, “gee Guy, its your second year behind the bench, changing lines every other game, that is just not NHL coach calibre…” or hey you would have thought Gainey with his supposed wisdom would know better too.

    Honestly, if the shoe fits….

    Clearly destroying and chasing away your best goalies, forcing your rookies to basically play as elder-rookies, that just sucks too. What is so “Hockey God” about not recognizing talent and using it? Bowman had it, he saw Dryden’s potential….if there was a “Hockey God” that was it. Surely Gainey is more like the “Satan GM” for forcing us to watch yet another season of Sakku getting hooking penalties and destroying Halak’s confidence. Watch, Gainey will destroy Price too. The man should be forced outta the NHL if only for the benefit of promising Canadian hockey players everywhere. Especially with the likes of Price and Jancesvski and bunch of very promising rookies coming of age.

  25. #25 Joshtm says:
    May 23, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    Watch it folks we are on a slippery slide, the way the laffs went a hundred years ago now, we are in denial like Laff fans. We argue with each other over trades that will never happen, defend GMs and coaches who are not worth the time of day, and bicker about used up Finnish superstars who are only good at getting hooking penalties, and then we have the nerve to blame it on the media and taxes.

    The GM is the one who makes or breaks a team. The coach usually updates the GM on who is and who is not a great player, rookies included.

    Unfortunately in Montreal, the GM doesn’t care, the coach is playing poker with the lines, like some modded Honda civic, man, and you guys think these two are “gods”?

  26. #26 Joshtm says:
    May 23, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Excuse me? Johnson a good player? The only thing Johnson is good at is imbibing and falling down, he’s a wet brain, who else in the NHL gets paid 2 million year to score what, not even twenty goals or so? The only thing Johnson is good at is leading a one man rush that ends up with him on his back and the other team scoring on a 1 on four against Dandenault, Bouillon and Ninnima…that is just pathetic!

    I don’t know, I guess all those lagers and those pints of beer, kinda had you seeing a team that was not winning, but hey if you are so drunk that you can’t even tell a decent hockey player from a real hockey player, that’s your own fault if you are criticized for defending what amounts to nothing but a lousy hockey player!

  27. We should try and get Briere. I would not mortgage the future for LeCavalier. The price would be too high and the players too good to replace and we would regret that. We need Briere, a local French-Canadian who would thrive in the Montreal spotlight. I would love to see him here. I hope we can make an effort to get him. Anyways, talk to you people soon!

    Ziman

  28. #30 Don Carnage says:
    May 24, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=310678

    Josh is a loud mouth, all he does is keep trashing the habs and the staff..

  29. #31 Habs#1 says:
    May 24, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    So I’m not the only one who’s noticed that all of josh’s posts are just carbon copy’s of each other? And that he never rights anything new and never anything constructive?

    I’m chomping at the bit for the draft here.

    Apparently if the Habs miss out on Briere, they’re planning on going after Kariya. I think that would be a mistake. He hasn’t been the same since Gary Suter cross-checked him in the jaw and didn’t show up in the playoffs this year.

    I can see Patrick Marleau in a Habs uni in a draft day trade if the Habs give up something like Kovalev(they put him with Cheechoo and Thornton and he won’t have to work to put up points. And the Sharks are looking for a veteran winger to put with those two), Halak(need a young goalie), Dandenault(they want a cheap veteran defenceman, and Rivet might sell them on him), the first rounder they got from the Sharks and maybe a guy like Corey Locke who’s stock has gone up in the playoffs.

    By the sounds of things the Sharks have lost faith in Marleau because he didn’t show up in the playoffs this year, and the Oilers series last year and the coach alianated him(boy this sounds like Thornton in Boston). Also both he and JT are going to be UFA after next season, with Thornton commanding 7.5 million and Marleau probably being 6-6.5 million(a raise from his 3.5 he’s making now). They don’t want to be Tampa Bay West, so they’ll keep the 120 point guy and deal Marleau.

  30. #33 Avatar37 says:
    May 25, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    Josh …

    Yes, Johnson is a good player… You know, some players play a role whose job it is to shut down the opposition. That means that their goals and assists don’t really matter as much as what they’re supposed to be doing. Johnson and Bonk form a good solid shut down defensive line. That means when they go up against the likes of Crosby and Alfredson and the superstars of the other teams, they stop them from being able to produce. Maybe if you actually understood the sport of hockey instead of hoping that every game turns into a shootout, you’d be capable of making intelligent comments. Bonk had 23 points and a +/- of 0. Johnson had 31 points and a +/- of +6. That ranks them 7th and 4th on the team in +/-, respectively.

  31. #34 nigelski says:
    May 26, 2007 at 11:24 am

    +/- is an overrated stat. It doesn’t tell the whole story, just like save % doesn’t. I won’t sit here and write a page or two about this, as I could, so I’ll just say that nothing is so cut and dry as the numbers make it seem.

    I just read that the Habs have offered Markov a multi-year contract worth $5 mil/season. While I like Markov, these kind of deals make me wonder what the owner’s truly accomplished with the implementation of a salary cap. The cap is rumored to be escalating to $48 mil this season, thanks completely to ticket prices. And it’s the teams in Canada that are paying the freight, as ticket sales in almost every US city continue to decline.

    Wasn’t this the same Habs team that couldn’t afford the big salaries just a few short years ago? If Markov accepts, how much do we then have to give to Souray? Or any of the UFAs we might try to attract? Where does it all end?

    While I like both players, and would like to keep both, this now seems unlikely, especially if the plan is to throw some big money at a guy like Briere. If we do re-sign both d-men, I fear we’re in for another, ‘Take whoever no-one else wants,’ UFA signing, a la Samsonov. I just hope that if that is the case, we get a little luckier…

  32. I said it before and i’ll say it again,Bob missed the boat at the trade deadline. He should of traded Souray when he could of got a first round draft choice and a prospect for him.Now you got nothing for him.Bob you better not sign Briere for 6,000.000 or so as that is way to much for a small player like him. He will not help enough to justify that much money.Ryan smith is the type of player you should be going after.Stick with the candian boys for the next few years and you will be okay.And quit overpaying all these average players.I was looking at our prospect report and what i seen was 2003 seem to be our best year at the draft table. Can anybody tell me who our gm was that year.? Thats what i thought.

  33. #37 Habs#1 says:
    May 27, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    Habs have offered Markov a four year deal worth just over 5mil per season. This means that Souray isn’t coming back for sure. They can’t affored both of them at over 5 million per year. Mathieu Schneider is coming back, I can smell it.

    And apparently Gainey is pulling a Lamerillo and trading Samsonov to Detroit along with the first rounder he got from the Sharks for a bag of pucks.

  34. #38 Joshtm says:
    May 27, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    That would make my day, seeing the backside of Samsonov. I can’t see giving up Souray just so he can keep Markov though.

    I don’t remember seeing Johnson shutting down the offense like the previous poster says. If anything I remember Johnson more for being on his back, flattened by even the smallest defense and forward, and he was rarely on the same line as Bonk.

    If there was anyone doing the shutting down it was Bonk, or one of the rookies, while Johnson basically stayed away from the checks. Johnson would be a natural for a Russian team, all flash and no action.

    And by the way Crosby and Alfredsson skated rings around Johnson. You know Johnson is crap when he turns a four on one to a one on five against the habs, man between Johnson screwing things up, and Sakku with his hooking penalties, its a wonder the habs even got close to a playoff spot.

    No give the credit where it belongs, to Markov when he was good, to Souray for his power play, to the rookies for being physical and ramping up the play. Granted the rookies were scored on more than average, but not as bad as say all those scores against the defense duo of Dandenault and Bouillon.

    Priorities should be getting rid of the deadwood like Johnson, the living dead like Dandenault and Bouillon…

  35. #39 riser8 says:
    May 28, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    Markov is signed…..no terms released as of yet.

  36. #40 koivufan says:
    May 28, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    4-years at 23 million

  37. #41 What a Signing! says:
    May 28, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    God Gainey is stupid. Either this means that Souray will get signed for similar cash (which would be embarrassing) or he will leave as a UFA (which means Gainey wasted a tradeable asset). Both outcomes mean that a long season is in the offing.

  38. #42 Rubberman says:
    May 28, 2007 at 6:50 pm

    It kills me reading such stupidity.

    1. No one knows but Gainey what was offered for Souray at trade deadline. I’m willing to bet no one offered anything good. When still in a playoff spot hunt, you can’t get rid of one of your scorers. Souray sucked defensively but he was an asset on the powerplay.

    2. If Gainey didn’t give Markov that kind of coin, someone else would. The Habs need Markov.

    No matter what Bob does, (don’t get me wrong I do think we need a different manager), each decisions will have people screaming and shaking their heads. So go *&^% yourselves, and let Bob do his job.

  39. #43 Joshtm says:
    May 28, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    Hey don’t forget, “Gainey is God..” hahahahah….between raising the ticket prices, throwing all that money at Markov, heck that leaves Gainey with very little room to manouver….hmmm…a future without Price, imagine that, and Gainey giving him up for very little…

    Come one Come All to Crazy Bob’s Garage Sale!!!! Used Rookies, World Cup Proven High Quality Rookies Going At Crazy Prices!!!!! Terms are: Must Give Up Used Alcoholic Defensemen and Forwards ALA Johnson-Style, or used up Russian Retards, any deal Crazy Enough for Crazy BOB!!!!!

  40. #44 Joshtm says:
    May 28, 2007 at 10:15 pm

    Listen up, never mind you brown nosing for a minute, stop and listen.

    Quiet. Sit down. Take a Deeeep Breath.

    This is gonna really get you.

    Regardless of who you think Crazy Bob should get.

    In spite of thinking he’ll give up the future.

    The sad fact is this:

    Crazy Bob is not gonna change nothing. If anything he’ll manouver and fill up the vacancies with broken down Alcoholic Players like Johnson that no one wants, or Prima Donna Ruskies who haven’t taken their crazy pill in ages…yes…no matter Leclavier or Briere, or heck Hagan Daize IceCream…HEY CRAZY BOB AIN”T GONNA DO IT OKAY????

    He’s gonna continue with his losing ways!

  41. #45 Joshtm says:
    May 28, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    What Rubberman, Gainey’s job is to totally destroy forever the hopes and aspirations of Habs Fans? Anyone who thinks Dandenault and Bouillon are “great chemistry” and decides not to re-sign Souray, and promises Koivu that it’s perfectly okay for little Sakku to still play like some spoiled six year old, that doesn’t exactly sound like “team building”…

  42. #46 Avatar37 says:
    May 29, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Am I the only one that thinks Josh has finally gone off his meds? You complain that Gainey is a bad manager… What, you’d rather have Savard back? Savard (Let’s trade Chelios, an all-star defenseman who will go on to have a 20 year career, for my washed up brother) is probably the worse GM I’ve ever seen. Don’t even get me started on what he gave Schneider, Roy, and Recchi up for. This team was badly managed and badly coached for far too long, and it’s takes time to rebound from that. Look at the Senators, who entered the league in ’92. Even with finishing last and drafting their way into a powerhouse, it took them 15 years. You expect a GM who is dropped into a mediocre team that finishes around the playoff bubble and winds up with mediocre draft choices to what, suddenly become a powerhouse inside 2 years? 4? Your ignorance of hockey is truly astounding.

    “a future without Price, imagine that, and Gainey giving him up for very little…” uh.. did Price get traded and I’m not aware of it? I looked for articles pertaining to this and could find none.

    “and decides not to re-sign Souray” … Really? Well let’s see if we can shed some light on this. This next piece is a quote from an article on the hab’s website, the link provided at the end of the quoted piece.

    Carbo would also like nothing more than to count on the power-play quarterback that fueled his top-ranked unit this past season. And he isn’t the only one.

    “Our next priority will be Sheldon Souray,� vowed Gainey. “I expect to have talks with Sheldon’s agent in the coming days.�

    With the ink still damp on his new four-year contract, Markov would love to see Souray follow in his footsteps and remain in Montreal.

    “Shelly is an important part of this team and a great player,� said Markov. “He’s also a leader in the dressing room. I hope he’ll be back.�

    The big question is whether newly-inked Markov be giving Souray a call to twist the All-Star defenseman’s arm.

    “No, I don’t think I’ll do that,� laughed Markov. “This is a big decision that’s up to Sheldon and he’ll do what best for him.�

    Judging from the smile Markov wore on the podium alongside his GM and head coach, he did exactly that by signing on the dotted line with the Habs.

    http://www.canadiens.com/eng/news/redirect.cfm?sectionID=habsNewsDetails.cfm&newsItemID=5931

    Really Josh.. get back on the meds man, rejoin the real world. It’s not that bad here, really.

  43. #47 Don Carnage says:
    May 29, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    LOL hey Josh why not answer your own posts somemore !!!

    God your some funny dude …. you have nothing new to say yet? Just more of the same huh ?

    We know we know Bob is bad , Carbo is bad, Koivo, is bad, Johnson and all the others are bad, there is nothing good, everyone is bad, the habs are doomed, ect ect ect !!!

    Yes Josh we know we know …

  44. #48 Pepto says:
    May 31, 2007 at 2:36 am

    IF SOuray signs for 5+million (which is guaranteed) then Gainey has failed.
    If Souray leaves then Gainey has failed.
    IF Souray retires then Gaiey has failed.

    JOshtm must be licking his chops on this result.

  45. #49 Donnie says:
    June 3, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    Well, something has to be done. The Habs aren’t improving or declining. They are one of those teams who are just average each year, with no real promise of becoming a great team again. I think it’s gotta start with how the organization want players to play. Theres just NO offense. The last 100 points scorer was Naslund in 89, and 50 goal scorer was Richer in 86. Thats 20 years ago….plenty of time for improvement. I think the Habs are alot like the Leafs organization.They are cursed by a loyal, supportive fan base. Unfortunately, no matter what product they put on the ice, the fans are still gonna pack the stadium each and every game. So where’s the urgency for the organization to go out and pay some real money for a great player. Just keep paying for the same half-assed players and getting the same half-assed results, and the fans still show up in droves. Just keep piling into the stadium and dont’t demand more of your team and get ready for another 20 years of glorified AHL hockey.

  46. #50 MoneyInTheBank says:
    June 12, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    I’m going to suggest something crazy… Trade Huet!!!

    Is that a totally crazy idea? Its risky but it would allow you to do a few things;

    1) Actually get someone in a trade. Maybe a big solid defensemen in front of the rookie goalies.

    2) Keep all 3 prospect goalies. Let Price, Halak and Danis fight it out with the odd man out the #1 for the Dogs.

    3) Make Cap room. Get yourself a Briere type player with the $3m from Huets contract.

    4) See if your prospects are the real deal. If 2 or, maybe, 3 of the prospects live up to their reputation you have even more trade leverage for the 2008-09 season.

    5) Minimizes loses. If Huet remains in Montreal for the 2007-08 season Danis will be lost this year and Huet next year to Free agency.

    I’m willing to bet that either Price, Halak or Danis can do the job that Huet is doing. I’m a believer that both Halak and Price can do it with style.

    Trading Huet is not going to happen… but it is interesting to think about.

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