Dull Sabres
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Last season some of the most entertaining Habs games to watch were the ones between the Canadiens and Buffalo Sabres.
Of course the Sabres are a different team than last year’s President Trophy winning group. This Sabres team is one that struggled badly to keep up with the visiting Maple Leafs, only to finally beat them in overtime because Bryan McCabe put the puck in his own net.
A team that was was shut out by the Columbus Blue Jackets on home ice last night. Virtually unthinkable last year.
After dropping their last game in Ottawa, the Habs face the Sabres tonight followed by the Bruins on Monday. Continued losing will begin digging their Divisional hole early, only to be followed up by games against the Hurricanes and Penguins once again.
The Canadiens have not been badly out shot recently, like they usually are. But their even strength scoring is still a major issue that doesn’t seem to have an easy answer or quick fix.
- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
- Senet1 : I believe he will as we graducally put better players around him and build this team.
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October 20, 2007 at 1:03 pm
I like the Habs efforts, in most games they work just as hard..or even harder than the other team, it’s just they have no finish, watching that Florida game, they had a couple 2 on 1s and ended up without a shot on goal. That is what is ends up in the L column instead of the W column.
Their effort is there in most games we get to watch here on the west coast,
I believe in Bob Gainey and I think he is headed in the right direction, and I also think both golaies will not be happy playing partial back up roles to each other, and Bob might end up trading one off for a valuable scorer, which this teamd badly needs.
October 20, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Pierre Mcguire hit the hail on the head yesterday on the team 990 when he said that this was the first time in a long time that there has been hope for this franchise. The youth movement is not just something optimistic habs fans try to brainwash themselves into thinking. It’s actually happening. Carey Price is as blue-chip as a prospect can get. Did you notice how many fights there was for jobs this year? That is testament to how well of a job gainey and timmins have done in such a short period of time. We are only starting to see the fruits of their work at the draft table.Players like Higgins, Plekanec, Komisarek, Kostitsyn, latendresse, grabovski and Price are already playing for the habs and are all a good 2-7 years away from hitting their prime. Then you throw in names like halak, D’agostini, Lapierre, O’byrne and sergei kostitsyn who are all between 22 and 20 years old and could all play for the big club today. I’m not even done yet, then you have players such as Mathieu Carle, David fisher, Pk Subban and Ryan Mcdonagh on defense as well as Max pacioretty, Ben Maxwell and Ryan White on offense. These are al players who could realisticly play in the nhl in a couple of years. In the coming season, the leash is only going to get shorter for the veterans on this team. UNlike the leafs, we wont be stuck in medicrity forever and will be a good team for a very long time. we will be competitive while not stinking completely like the pens and sens while wre waiting.
October 20, 2007 at 10:21 pm
I completely agree Habsfan. This is the second round of “ground-up re-building” that this team has done since winning the cup in 1993. The main difference between this time and last time is that they got it right this time: no Terry Ryans so far. Plus, the way the new NHL works makes it very difficult to build a solid team through free agency–it’s healthier to get them young, get them loyal and settled, and then just have to match known offers rather than beat unknown ones. Plus, the hockey gods, who went into exile when the team left the Forum, might be making their way back–imagine if we had millions tied into an injured, non-goal scoring Souray this year!
I still have the old-school view about building your team with North Americans, but I hope I’m proven wrong. It’s nothing Don Cherry-like, but it’s just that North American hockey players dream for the chance to win a Stanley Cup, and I think it shows in the playoffs. Koivu, Sundin and Alfredson, as well as many other Europeans, are obvious exceptions to this “rule”.
October 21, 2007 at 8:18 am
Good effort against the slumping Sabres… I agree with the great promise our young rising players can bring us and if I’m Bob Gainey, I’m not trading one of them no matter how tempting the offer. I think his only trade bait are veterans and/or players who are being pushed or will soon be pushed out by an up-and-comer (Kovalev, Ryder, Smolinski, Kostopoulous, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Bouillon, Dandeneault, Huet, Murray, maybe even Koivu if he waives his no-trade). I doubt Gainey will do anything to harm the team like trading Higgins and picks for someone like Marleau, he’s not JFJ.
October 21, 2007 at 2:00 pm
get rid of koivu are you out of your mind! he is the captain the leader of this team.And if you get rid of Huet who knows what will happen this year because you can’t always trust goalies 1,2 years into the league.
October 21, 2007 at 2:28 pm
I like the comment of Groundworking and also Smiler, I truly believe–with a couple of notable exceptions- that the non-north american players just do not have the passion for the stanley cup that NA players have. Remember how kovalev could not play in a game 7 because he had a sore pinky finger ! a NA player in that case would have been on the ice if his whole arm had been chopped off. I do like Koivu, but like Naslund in Vanc, I do not think he is a
dressing room leader, soft spoken, but does try to lead by example–a great
characteristic of a leader, but I also think it requires someone who can call other players out and tell them to get butt in gear. I did not get to see the Habs/Sabres because of course the maple leaf *** kissers at CBC only show leafs games, but highlights look good, Higgins having a real good start.
October 21, 2007 at 5:19 pm
I said I wouldn’t cry if Souray left and I was slammed for it on this site last year. Now he’s a 5.5 million dollar, one goal, on the IR with another seperated shoulder bust in Edmonton(and his play in his own end hasn’t improved let me tell ya) and Hamerlik has been lights out in his own end this year. He’s been a physical presence and has moved the puck very sufficiently out of his own end. Why do you think Breezer hasn’t looked completely terrible this year? Cause he’s playing with Hamerlik. And that pairing is taking pressure off Markov/Komisarek.
When Ryder and Higgins figure out how to finish again the top line along with the suprisingly good Kovalev lead 2nd line the Habs will have an interesting offence.
Although I’m making the pred. that Ryder will be gone at the deadline if the Habs are struggling to make the playoffs again cause Gainey won’t make the same mistake he made with Souray(and I think D’Agostini may be able to take his place by that point) and if Kovy has a pretty good year(25+goals and 65+ points) Gainey will find someone to take him and the remaining year on his contract(Pittsburgh anyone?)
And then with all that cap room the Habs can make some ridiculous offer to Hossa in the summer. lol
October 21, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Although the shot totals this season have been much better than last year’s standard 20-shot games, I still think our forwards are passing up a lot of good shooting opportunities. We always seem to want to try that extra move or pass when we’re in prime position to get a quality shot off to start with. It’s hard to harp on a team that’s been getting 30 shots a game, but that’s what I’m seeing night in, night out on RDS.
On another note, Hamrlik has been pure sweetness while Brisebois is a 1974 Pinto in a 2007 world. I can’t believe how much ice time this guy gets when it looks like a midget-aged d-man could do better out there. At the very least he should be demoted to the third pairing. It’s embarrassing.
October 22, 2007 at 3:22 pm
If we keep our effort like we did against Buffalo were going to the playoffs.