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Ex-Habs 2005-2006 
The 2005/2006 Montreal Canadiens have seen a lot of changes since the first game of their season.
Most notable the trading of one time hero goaltender Jose Theodore and the firing of Head Coach Claude Julien.
Other Canadiens like Pierre Dagenais got a permanent ticket away from the club and NHL.
Months after, do you agree with these moves? More importantly what other pictures will soon be added to the above?
With new management, new funds, and possibly the most open NHL market ever seen some current Canadiens will surely not be around come training camp.
Who stays? Who goes?
I’ll take a stab at the first player not returning next year.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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May 10, 2006 at 11:50 am
Mikey Ribs shown in his true form. Go whine every shift and get nailed every time you have the puck. I actually look forward to seeing you get run over by **insert any NHL player name here** YOU CAN’T TAKE A HIT. You are a lucky scorer, from soccer player to hockey player.
After putting on that show in the pic, didn’t you come back to play in the game? Probably the next shift. Hopefully it’s the last time I see you a Habs jersey you wanna be gangsta.
May 10, 2006 at 11:52 am
Rather than who won’t return, why not flip it around to who do you want to keep Higgins, Ryder, Koivu, Aebischer, Huet, Zednik, Souray (ouch!). Start with the core nucleus and build from there adding a Teemu Selanne, Todd Bertuzzi (there’s a thought). I suspect that some Avalanche types may well be available Tanguay, matter of fact there is a rumour that Peter Forsberg doesn’t like Bobby Clarke so it is a whole new ballgame with fresh dough to spend keeping only very limited protected core group. Behind the bench maybe Larry Robinson might be insterested in helping out his old captains with an assistants job. Or….look deeply into where the Penguins are marching and make a deal for Sidney, somebody will and soon too!They need a team and we need a superstar.
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May 10, 2006 at 12:21 pm
The moves definately improved the team. If They had kept Julien and Theodore, the team wouldnt have made the playoffs at all.
As for players leaving. Ribiero for sure and Zednik and Bonk. Those were the 3 main cancers of the team. The Defense is fine with Sourey, Markov, Rivet, Boullion, Komisarek, Dandaneult and Streit are fine.
Interesting additions there Michael. Tanguay would be fabulous but Bertuzzi would be a disaster. The press would rip him apart.
May 10, 2006 at 4:15 pm
I say trade Aebischer, Ribiero, Zednik, and Souray for
Lecavalier.
Then try to get a defenceman from free agency.
May 10, 2006 at 5:08 pm
I think bonk is worth keeping. His play has really picked up.Good on the pk KEEP HIM
May 10, 2006 at 5:26 pm
joey,
i love lecavalier’s spirit and heart (and when he went up against chara just toped it off) but i don’t think he’s worth four players. plus, if not for souray than we’ve got no one to score from the point. i see you mentioned getting another D man but then we’d be in the same situation again with a shortage of decent guys on the PP.
it would be nice to get a new D who could score from the line AND stop someone from going around him (since we all know souray had his less than glamorous moments this year on the one-on-ones.
GO HABS GO! we’ve matched the longest non-stanley cup draught in our history…let’s not break the record.
May 10, 2006 at 5:59 pm
Remember that Gainey’s GM roots were in Dallas so some Stars could be available. There are rumours that he is interested in Arnott and maybe the return of Robidas.
Also rumours that Habs could be interested in players such as Elias and Straka.
Any thoughts?
May 10, 2006 at 6:15 pm
fan3,
First of all, Souray has a lot of talent, but he is injury prone, tends to make a lot of mistakes, and is not stable familywise. He is the kinda of guy that the minute you think he will have a big season, something happens and he ruins it. In two years he will be worth nothing….. Right now, his worth is at an all time high. This is why we should trade him. As for Ribiero, and Zednik both had bad years, and we may lose them for nothing…. So, what are we giving up when I say to trade Aebischer, Ribiero, Zednik, and Souray for Lecavalier. Not much considering what we will be getting.
We kinda lost Theodore for nothing.. Lets not make the same mistake twice. Right now Aebischer and Souray are worth their max. Ribiero is not worth that much. And Zednik might be worth keeping, but I don’t think we can get Lecavalier without him….
May 10, 2006 at 6:26 pm
Bonk only woke up once the playoffs started- we need someone who will play like he means it in the 82 games leading up to the playoffs. What use are playoff players if you have to struggle just to make the playoffs. Zednik has a similar M.O. The truth is, I really like both of those guys when they play to their capabilities, but we dont get to see that until March-April. F**k that. We can afford to put a nice package together for someone who needs a goalie and a zippy forward or two and wants to loose a mega-buck mega-star. Philly and Vancouver come to mind. I am no expert on these matters and make no pretence to be, but the weak links in the Hab chain are pretty obvious- lets lose ‘em and bring in someone who wants to play for the greatest organization in the history of the sport.
May 10, 2006 at 7:50 pm
I agree with PS – keep Bonk. He played very well down the stretch. He was really fruustrating to watch the first half of the year, but he picked it up at the end. Getting rid of Bonk would be tough b/c of his poor year. Therefore, we would likely have to give him away – not worth it.
We need a centre – Ribs is a bum and should go. Also, we need D. I don’t think we are good enough on the back end. Souray is an offensive weapon for sure and it is nice to have the shot on the PP, but he is not a #1 D in this NHL. Markov is a keeper, so it Boulion, Komi and Rivet (b/c of leadership, work ethic, and friend of Saku).
So, Vinny would be a great catch if we could make a deal but don’t count on it. I also don’t think Tampa will let Richards go (I am from PEI and would love to see him on the habs – by far the best player to come from PEI). However, if anyone of the “Big three” leaves Tampa it will be S. Louis.
PLEASE DON’T TOUCH BERTUZZI!!!!!!!!
May 10, 2006 at 8:01 pm
Hmmmm i wonder if we could sneak zherdev in a hans uni.I really like that kid,but at what cost?
May 10, 2006 at 8:02 pm
lol sorry “HABS UNI”
May 11, 2006 at 12:15 am
What about the youngs ?
That’s what Gainey said and I believe that’s the right way. I hope the Montreal Team is REALLY thinking of the youngs.
Check out the teams that are playing well in the playoff right now, Anaheim and Buffalo is full of young rookie player. That,s the way to go.
With the salary, etc… it’s hard to get really TOP player without having a hole anywhere in your team. If you get a big Goaler, you will have trouble in offense, if you get a SuperScorer you will have a hole in your defense. So you have to gamble with things, make it so-so everywhere and hope some youngs stand-up and play well at the right time. That’s the way to win, nothing else.
No team will trade a Top-Player for 4 other guys, cause they don’t need them, you can get that type of player anywhere as free-agents so. You have to make the move and get the player here.
With nearly 90cent canadian the US dollar, hope it’s help get some player out here instead of going for the states.
May 11, 2006 at 2:21 am
We need to trade 1 of the goalies, Zednik, Sundstrom, Ribeiro and Bulis (free agent) to make a serious run for the cup.
Team needs are:
1. second line centre man (free agent’s that would fit the team) Jason Arnott, Marc Savard or Brad Richards
2. A true #1 D-Man – Redden, Jovo or Chara (would love Jovo. Souray is a liability and only good on the power play. Markov is not consistant and a no show in the playoffs)
3. A “BIG TIMEâ€? scoring winger – Bertuzzi (don’t like Burt but he would really help, Selanie or Elias would fit that profile (maybe trade for St.Louis or Vinny in Tampa, they need a goalie)
JULY !st = FREE AGENCY the holes will be fixed. GO HABS GO BABY!
May 11, 2006 at 4:19 pm
J-Nic’s right about the youngsters, esp bringing some up from the minors. The realities of the salary cap almost dictate that you get some cheap, yong players on the roster. Kostitsyn, Latendresse, Danis and Chipchura could all make the team next year. Some veterans and their veteran salaries like Aebischer, Ribeiro, Sundstrom and Bulis may have to go — esp if the Habs want to sign a second line center and/or a first line right winger (would love to Selanne and Koivu together again). Signing Huet won’t come cheap either.
We might see something like the following line combos next year:
Higgins-Koivu-Selanne?
Kovalev-Plekanec-Ryder
Zednik-Bonk-Latendresse
Begin-Chipchura-Murray
Chipchura adds some size up the middle. Zednik proved his worth as an aggressive forechecker, if not scorer. And Plekanec may have been the best offensive center against the Canes. And we gotta keep Bonk. He can’t score either, but does a helluva job on the PK.
Agree that our d is probably good enough, but there isn’t much young talent to replenish it anyway. We lost Hainsey and Beauchemin on waivers to Columbus — that hurt a lot.
May 11, 2006 at 5:23 pm
i agree with some of you about getting rid of bulis because he even said that he wanted to leave but i trully believe that if we keep aebischer it would be good because he is a good goalie and it’s always good to have two good goalies and also i think that if we keep mike ribeiro and richard zednik it would not be a bad idea because not only are they both good looking
but they are talented and they have the potential.. maybe they aren’t very confident with themselves and maybe they had a bad season but they need the chance to show what they can really do and i think that next season is the chance they need so we really need to keep them i really don’t want ribeiro to leave because i really like him!!:) we can’t forget that in 03-04 ribeiro was the best scorer of the team and before zedniks horrible injury in the playoffs with boston, he was extremely talented. i think that getting rid of Ribeiro and zednik would be a huge mistake because they have a big and good bond with the team and i think that getting rid of them is a mistake… we should keep them till the next trading deadline in the next season and then if they don’t improve we can then get rid of them but that’s just my opinion so someone please write back to me (melissa) and tell me what you think aout my message!! thanks
GO HABS GO and hope to see ribeiro and zednik with the habs next year
trust me it won’t be a mistake…
May 14, 2006 at 10:06 am
hopefully we can add rebeiro’s pic to the list, he missed about 5 for sure goals vs. carolina and is hurting the team by taking up the second line centre spot and not doing anything…please trade him or just don’t sign him
GO HABS GO!!!
May 14, 2006 at 8:33 pm
Latendrasse? Think he’s ready? Jan Danis would make 3 goalies of merit and virtue on the roster (potential trade material), but I am curious as to what Carboneau wants in training camp. If one looks at what Bob Gainey has done with personel since the Kovalev acquisition, we all may be very surprised at both who stays and who goes. However, I am certain we won’t see a repeat of the “no significant off season moves” of the past. Incidently, did anyone notice how Theodore and Brisebois were liabilities as things heated up for Colorado. I wish those guys the best, and sure- they got to the second round and we didn’t, but THANK GOD THOSE FELLAS DON’T WEAR THE TRI COLOUR ANY LONGER!!!
May 14, 2006 at 9:20 pm
AMEN TO THAT
May 25, 2006 at 10:28 pm
We don’t NEED Redden, Jovo, Chara and especially Bertuzzi. Too much salary for their worth. Elias is in the same ‘camp’. Don’t NEED him either.
We’ve got good youngsters coming up for the offence. On defense, Salei, Mara, Morris & Brewer would do very well, thank you.
On offence, if someone would be worth consideration, I’d suggest Legwand. Not as big a scorer as some others but has potential and his salary demands would be more reasonable.
All of this is valid unless, of course, the stupid Brad Richards contract amount messes up the subsequent offers.
June 1, 2006 at 6:02 pm
WE NEED OVECHKIN HAHAHAHAHA… although it wont happen…
June 15, 2006 at 8:26 pm
What Montreal need is a number 1 center. With Koivu’s eye injury there is nothing that is concrete about him coming back in red-white-and-blue next year. And if is does come back, whoever we get can go on a line with Kovalev. He just has too much talent and nobody to play with. Gainey has to get rid of Aebishmuck…i mean Aebishear. He SUCKS!! No matter how much theo sucked this year he is still a better goaltender than Aebishear so in my opinion, montreal got the bad end of that deal. Gainey also has to be careful that he doesnt send off good players and ruin the team like they did in 1995 w/Patrick Roy. Best goalie of all time and we just GAVE him away to Colorado. Bonk proved himself in the playoffs and he is strong on the pk. Ribs SUCKS. He couldnt score a goal if the net was the size of the Bell Centre. How many times did he miss the net vs. Carolina….a hundred? And Zednik, don’t even get me started. He really sucks….him and bulis should go back to Washington.
June 25, 2006 at 9:20 pm
higgins,arnott?,kovelev for the first line
Habs might sign arnott
Bonk should be traded
June 25, 2006 at 9:25 pm
David ficher was that a smart move?
canadiens have young players so i think it was smart if you put him on the same line with koivu it , it should be good. cause it made a difference with higgins and ryder.
June 25, 2006 at 9:29 pm
huet one timer? nooooooooooooooooooooo it wont be like that huet iz going to unstoppable!