Game 72: Leafs/Habs
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The fate of the Canadiens seems to be decided this morning after their failure to close last nights game in Buffalo.
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- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
- Senet1 : I believe he will as we graducally put better players around him and build this team.
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March 21, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I certainly have my doubts. The Leafs would love nothing more than to help put the Habs in a non-playoff position.
March 21, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Yeah, you have to expect them to come out firing. I keep expecting to see Montreal beat someone so we can all talk about how the season may be saved.. but the more I think about it.. its not gonna happen. My only hope is that things haven’t gotten so bad in Montreal that Gainey can’t build a playoff team for next season. It would be really sad to have to start rebuilding all over again.
March 21, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Another wasted Saturday evening.
March 22, 2009 at 11:13 am
I gotta go up and watch this sh*t on the 31st. What horrible timing to go see my first live game.
March 22, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Will everyone please lay off the goalies. No goalie is perfect and even the great Brodeur and Roy have let it soft goals. Anyone who really knows hockey realized that it starts from the forwards back. The goalie is the last defender. The Habs right now are playing tight, not having any fun and are relying on the goalies to bail them out. If the forwards would back check properly, and the defense would clear the puck after the first save, the Habs would be in much better shape.
The sad part is that this is just steamrolling. I can’t even listen to a Habs game anymore. Even the announcers can’t talk about anything else. Give it a rest. It’s not all on the goalies.
March 22, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Did anyone hear BGL talking about how the team has to make the playoffs? He mentions that the guys have been talking about how important it is for them to be winners as they pursue contracts next season.
So in the 100th Season of the Montreal Canadiens, these guys are trying to motivate themselves by talking about how important it is to have a winning attitude when trying to get a good contract in the NHL.
Filthy and disgusting.
March 22, 2009 at 6:29 pm
That’s the unfortunate reality of modern day professional sports. With salaries being what they are (unjustified, unacceptable and simply ludicrous), it’s difficult for atheletes not to play for their own best interests. This gets in the way of the team and respective sport of course.
Incidentally, this is why I had stated much earlier on that the best thing that could happen to hockey is for the NHL to lose franhcises, shrink in size. A business oriented mind might read this and think that I’m on drugs or stupid. To the contrary, Mr. Business, it’s our hopeless mode of ever increasing inflation that destroys the purity of sport (among other things, such as everything). And I apologise for stating this, but anyone who doesn’t see this for what it is is little more than well conditioned and adjusted to a truly ill society.
Over the top?
March 23, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Its not unusual for Mondays to be a weird day for Habs fans. Typically the team has either won or lost on Saturday night, and Sunday has been spent either reveling in the win, or pondering what went wrong (and recently there has been too much of the latter). Monday, a day the Canadiens rarely play games, is often a lost day for fans; without significance or consequence. Monday is a day for reasoned reflection. After a humiliating loss at the hands of the Maple Leafs on Saturday many had clung to the notion that since Florida had also lost on Saturday night, that it “could be worse”. I myself was tempted to agree. The Habs are currently holding the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference and if the season were to end today, would play what seems like our perennial playoff foes, the Boston Bruins. The fact that the playoff season has not been lost entirely is reason enough for some to cling to the notion that things could in fact still get worse. It was only when I began to reflect on all of the situations that the current version of the 100 year wonder faces, that I clearly had made up my mind that optimism was no longer an option.
Prior to firing Guy Carbonneau, the Habs had enjoyed a small respite solely based on the outstanding play of Jaroslav Halak. He singlehandedly stole games that Montreal had little business winning. Unfortunately, Halak’s streak was cut short by the flu, which also seemingly ended Carbo’s coaching career. Carey Price replaced Halak and has once again suffered a major setback to his game. Once Halak was finally restored to the net, his superb play had vanished along with his cough due to cold. Goaltending has been a HUGE problem for Montreal this season and continues to be an increasingly problematic force playing against the Habs’ chances of a post-season.
People have also often said “It could be worse, Andrei Markov could be injured”. How devastating that would be for Montreal who are being led in scoring by a defenseman? Markov’s 55 points are 7 better than the next closest player and serve as a constant reminder of just how offensively challenged this team is. It is absolutely shameful that the 4th highest producing forward on this team is Robert Lang: a man whose season was ended over 20 games ago. The team is plagued by forwards who have all decided to have career-worst seasons at the same moment, a moment which was been earnestly celebrated as though it was to be our finest. However, the forwards have also struggled mightily on defense, often creating turnovers in dangerous areas and routinely ignoring their duties in assisting the defense in moving the puck out of the defensive zone.
Finally, Canadiens fans have rested easily in the past few years knowing that “at least we know the future of the Canadiens is safe in “the cradle of modern sport”, as Ron MacLean likes to say. This morning reports have emerged that the Gillette family have decided to analyze their holdings in order to assess whether they can afford to run the team going forward. In a year where players have been linked to drug-dealers, star players have lost all confidence and become fragile, and a coach lost his job – now there is talk that the Canadiens could be sold?
At every turn this year I have looked for the positives when only negatives seemed apparent. In our darkest slumps I have looked for the ways in which somehow, the season can be salvaged. I now understand that the disappointment I have felt was a result of my backwards expectations. There was a time not too long ago that I EXPECTED disaster with regards to the Montreal Canadiens, and yet somehow recently I have grown complacent with the comfort of winning. Now I understand that in order to have any joy in the remaining 10 games of this season, I must abandon all hope. I have to assume that there is more disappointment waiting around the bend. Only when I successfully purge my last remaining desires for this season can I truly be pleasantly surprised by anything good. If nothing else this centennial season has taught me that the Hockey Gods are watching, and that any time you try to construct the perfect scenario, they are capable of ruining all. I will not try to find the silver lining in our upcoming Tuesday match up at home with the Atlanta Thrashers. I’ve been down that road before. I’ve seen where it ends. This time I’m going to expect nothing and simply wait for the result, like I should have been doing all along.
March 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed the Laraque interview. http://habsinsideout.com/otherwing
March 23, 2009 at 5:34 pm
The Curse of the Native Indian Burial Grave stikes again and keeps it`s course,Legend is the Center was the site of an ancient native burial ground grave, it was dug up to build the now rink , there has been spirit sighting in and around the grounds and unrest comes to those associated to it`s grounds.
Legend is Montreal will never again win Stanley cup for as long as it is played in the now centre,stay tuned for more of the curse.
March 23, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Well that’s just it though. These aren’t local heros anymorem they’re hired commodities from all over the globe. So no surprise at all that the CH means nothing to many of them. It means something to Lapierre, Latendresse, Tanguay, even Kostopolous and Schneider (perhaps to a lesser degree), but how could it possibly mean anything to Kovalev, Plekanec or the Kostitsyns, etc? They inherited it, they weren’t born into it.
Docphuket, stop sniffing glue and leave the deceased native peoples alone. They couldn’t have cared less about hockey or a big shiny cup.
March 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Do you really think it means something to these 3 just because they are french canadiens? I wish I could believe you. It is just a business now to all of them. Any of those 3 would leave next week if another team offered them a multi-million dollar contract. Sad but true.
March 24, 2009 at 1:52 pm
dutchman, I do not at all disagree with your point. The NHL is defintely a business. In fact it’s more than that – its a full blown corporation. So yes, there’s no question that the French Canadien players in this league also have their own best interests in mind. Of course. My point however is that, regardless of modern day selfishism, that crest is still going to mean more to a player who grew up with a sound understanding of its meaning than it is to a player who grew up largely or entirely ignorant of its meaning. To some, it’s chilhood memories, it’s a family, it’s a meaningful symbol. To others, it’s merely a work uniform.
March 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm
There have been ghostly spirits sighting in the building,true facts by people who work there,they have tryed to break the curse by getting Native Sons in the past S. Soury and now C. Price but this will not break the Curse ,spirits are unrested,stay tuned.
March 24, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I actually remember reading something about those sightings. One article even provided a picture of the aforementioned apparition: This little guy
I don’t want to stay tuned. I’m changing the channel now.