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Garth Murray on waivers.

  • Carbonneau’s first drastic measure was putting Garth Murray on waivers.

    Personally I’m a Murray fan, but it’s hard to argue with his production. 0 goals.

    Then again, was it his job to score?

    If the Habs don’t get bombed in Ottawa is Murray still here?

93 Comments
  1. I liked what Boullion had to say. Last nights games saw the most aggressive work by some of the defensemen when they were on the ice, were the Quebecois players, the russians and the other hired hands, no show yet again.

    Unless Carbo brings up Kosty to buck up Koivu and Kovalev, heck bring up Grabby too to buck up Souray…

  2. #2 habbie12345 says:
    January 17, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    I’ll tell you what. all year I’ve watched the Canadiens win, but they were not playing all that great. They’ve never been able to score 5 on 5, which is a must and their power was exceptional as was their one man down. But now the power play is back to normal and the 5 on 5 is still slumping so what do you get= no score.The goalies are doing the job for the most part and if not fot them the first part would have been bad too.I say Kovalev better start giving at least 100% and Ryder too. Don’t punish Rivet too much, Souray and Komisarek are not doing the best job either.Put back the pre-christmas lines they’ll start producing.

  3. #3 high 4 habs says:
    January 17, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    Actually, this is the team we were supposed to have from the beginning of the season. Be honest, did any of you expect come January, that we would be in 4th place? NO! I t wasn’t a realistic prediction. But when we were winning all those games ( even tho we didn’t play that great),we got used to it, and started to expect it every game, and got spoiled(just like all those cup winning years). Then a dose of reality set in, and we had to start reexamining this team. Are they that good, or are they that bad? I suspect it’s somewhere in the middle. So what you are seeing now, are the REAL canadiens, What you saw for the last 3 months, was a group of players playing over their heads, and over achieving. guys, let’s face it. our PP isn’t that good, nor is our penalty killing. When we were winning, I kept saying: ” how are we scoring, with only 1 line, and how come our PP is #1, when it really doesn’t look any different from other teams, nor our penalty killing. Well, Souray was scoring from the point, until other teams started paying attention to him, and other teams figured out our configuration killing penalties, and started to exploit it. But I now know the team we had for the last 3 months will not return, because it wasn’t REALISTIC! I’m not saying we won’t win any games, but it will not be the explosition of wins we want.
    In September, honestly, where did you guys figure we would finish?
    We need to go back to that mentality in our heads, and stay there. We do not have the talent to be in the top 4, and you guys know it. It was nice to rent that spot for awhile, but it was a R E N T A L ! now deal with it, and ACCEPT REALITY!

  4. Ever since the habbies got Kovelev for that first round playoff against Carolina, he’s cost us .Why do u think nobody want’s the mega talented Kovelev,well we no why don’t we!He’s just prouved that the entire Habs o rganisation had and has bad direction. You no what’s destroyed montreals Habs,thepipe dream you could build a pro hockey team around that f*cker. Enough is enough!

  5. #5 kazmojo says:
    January 17, 2007 at 12:59 pm

    Once again, coutNY_HabsFan you’re spot on. At least from what little I read. Did you stay up all night writing that?

    As for Garth, I’m sad to see him go too but mostly because of the promise he failed to live up to. Who goes when Begin gets back? He’s supposedly day-to-day (since 12-11), so I’d think he’d be back soon. Hopefully Gainey can work some more magic and somehow dump Samsonov, or even Niinimaa.

  6. @Xhabsfan

    Learn to spell his name before you call him a f*cker.
    Dork!

  7. I have to agree with High4Habs and some other posts here that the Canadiens were playing over their heads earlier and this is the REAL Montreal Canadiens we are seeing now. They are NOT a very good team and will likely miss the playoffs. They need to make some changes right away and get a sniper because they do not have one right now and they desperately need a game-breaker like Heatley in Ottawa, Hossa and Kovalchuk in Atlanta, etc. They need defence as well. Rivet has to go. Are you listening Gainey? Rivet, Ninny, Downie, Samsonov, they all need to go. They need to build around Kovalev, Higgins, Ryder, Koivu, Perezhogin, Bonk, Komisarek, Markov, Bouillon. These are the players they should keep. How long do you guys think it will take for the Canadiens to be a bonafide contender? Can they turn it around this season before it’s too late? Also, what suggestions do some of you people have to try and make the Canadiens better. Maybe we can give Gainey some instructions as to how to improve this team. What about Pierre McGuire saying the Canadiens should definitely try and pursue Scott Gomez. Would he be the answer? Also, can we acquire a free agent via a trade to help us. Any players out there? Anyways, let me know about this because I like every other Habs fan am getting very fucking pissed off at this losing streak. We were spoiled when they were winning all those games earlier in the season and we thought the glory days were returning but I was stupid and should have known better. This team built my hopes up only to crush them. They are starting to remind me of the Boston Red Sox of hockey, ouch! Is it possible that we might be under the “Curse of St. Patrick” much the same way the Red Sox were under the “Curse of the Bambino”? I’m not saying the Colorado Avalanche will ever become like the Yankees and win 26 championships but they were a contender after Roy joined them and Montreal still has not recovered. What do you guys think about this? Are we cursed like the Red Sox were?

    Ziman

  8. #8 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    January 17, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    kazmojo – just trying to make some sense of this mess we’re in… I refuse to believe we were lucky for 3 Months. Granted teams have adjusted and our play will need change because of it, but I think there is a core team in Montreal that can play well once they adjust.

    Honestly, I am finding it difficult, as some others have been expressing, to keep the faith and refrain from the negativity blame game. I have come to realize this is our team, good or bad, we need work with what we have until things change.

    …and no, I did not “stay up all night writing that?”(blog #49), but I did spend some time proof reading, so certain fans would not turn their frustrations upon me!

  9. #9 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    January 17, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Tom my earlier blog #58 was not a reference to your #56. It’s in reference to an earlier blog about people’s grammar…

    I think Kovalev is just trying his best to spark some offense in the only way he knows how. Unfortunately, his ability is clouding his judgment. He is frustrated, he knows he is a leader on this club, he knows the fans aren’t happy, and making plays with his moves and passing is the only way he know how to do it; but he is trying to take on the too much as an individual, alienating his line mates. He is not the only one… just the most visible.

  10. @coutNY_HabsFan

    That’s exactly what I think. Plus, Kovalev’s style just looks lazy, but that’s how he plays. He’s an amazing player, but not the right one to step up now and make the whole team turn around. He’s just not that type.

  11. #11 high 4 habs says:
    January 17, 2007 at 6:17 pm

    I guess the habs have played so magnificantly that they deserve a day off. huge mistake! I hate saying this, but I am so envious of the talent on Ottawa, and the garbage we have to settle for! Why can’t we have the kind of talent they have? This habs team, is probably THE LEAST TALENTED TEAM IN 20 YEARS!!!! no skill, no heart, and no anything. They only thing they do well, is TAKING PENALTIES! Can you imagine, there is such little talent, that they are forced to put defensive players on the 1st line! DISGRACEFUL! these players or whatever you want to call them, can’t score, can’t pass the puck, can’t clear the puck from their own zone, and can’t stop the puck from going in their net! a total embarrassment to this city! the fans have every right to boo them when these impersonators tries to portray themselves as a hockey team. they are just a poor excuse for hockey . But they are entertaining, because we are all laughing at them. They are a J O K E !

  12. I agree this is not a very talented Canadiens team and they have no HEART! They seem to show no desire to win. All those Montreal teams in the 40′s through to the early 1990′s at least had the heart and desire to win. That is why they were so successful. They have the right people in charge like Gainey but they need the players that Ottawa has to be a legitimate cup contender. Remember the 1997 draft when we had a chance to select Marian Hossa and selected Jason Ward instead!!! What a mistake. We let Tomas Vokoun leave as well as Francois Beauchemin. These players are making an impact with their respective teams now. They need a true sniper like I have said many times before. There are a number of free agents available this summer as well but does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can possibly convince some of them to come to Montreal? I know High4Habs said that players don’t want to come to Montreal because of various issues, but does anyone, including High4Habs have any idea as to how we can get the right type of player to come here and make a major impact? What can we get to make our team a perennial Stanley Cup contender like we had from the 1940′s to the mid 1990′s? Remember the days when the Canadiens were always a cup contender, they didn’t win the cup every year but they had a chance every year. Even after their 1979 cup triumph after they won their 4th consecutive Stanley Cup, they were still one of the top teams in the NHL and had a chance to win but were upset in the playoffs a few times: i.e.(Minnesota in 1980, Edmonton in 1981, Quebec in 1982 although they finished 27 points behind Montreal that year and Monreal had the third best record in the NHL, Buffalo in 1983 and Quebec in 1985) Once Patrick Roy joined the Habs, they were always one of the top teams in the NHL and but even he had some trouble in the playoffs, especially against the Boston Bruins. If we would have won a couple of those series versus the Bruins, we might have won the cup like in 1991 or 1992. We would have beaten Pittsburgh, I am sure at least once. I just want them to be one of the top teams in the NHL again, I am sure that is what a lot of you people want as well. I am tired of the mediocrity of these jokers that we have on our team right now. These players we have right now bring dishonour to the history of the Montreal Canadiens, the most storied and successful franchise in NHL history and right up there with the New York Yankees as the greatest in all of sports. However, at least the Yankees have kept on winning and passed us in championships. We need to catch up to them and win one before the end of the decade. Do you people know the Canadiens have won a Stanley Cup in every decade they have been in existence, no team in professional sports has ever been able to do that, not even the Fabled Yankees. Only the Montreal Canadiens have been able to do that and I want them to continue that streak and win a title before the decade is over, what do you guys think? Anyways, I hope some of you can give me some feedback and let me know about this!

    Ziman

  13. #13 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    January 17, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    The reason the Yankees are able to continue to win is because they’re able to go over the Cap mark and pay the penalties with no repercussions. They went over the Cap about as much as some teams were spending total on salary. MLB Cap is a joke, but at least the smaller franchises benefit from their over spending!

  14. #14 Habs#1 says:
    January 17, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    It’s not Gainey’s fault that Savard and Houle didn’t know talent in the draft even when it stared them in the face. If you look at the three drafts that Gainey has conducted, he picked mostly North American and Canadian players. Ever since he has been in charge he’s drafted 16 north americans and 6 europeans. Who do you think drafted Grabovski and Latendresse. He also drafted Price, Chipchura, Yemelin, Maxwell, Carle, Sergei Kotstitsyn and Fischer?

    Savard and Houle wasted almost all of their first round picks, Chouinard instead of Simon Gagne, Jason Ward instead of Marian Hossa,Savard traded their first rounder in 1999 so they lost their oppurtunity at Marty Havlat, Savard picked Ron Hainsey and Marcel Hossa instead of Alex Frolov/Brad Boyes/Justin Williams(if the Habs had picked him maybe he wouldn’t have high sticked Saku in the playoffs)/Nik Kronvall(Detroit’s hier to Nick Lidstrom)/Paul Martin/Antoine Vermette and Jarret Stoll. I liked the Komisarek pick but Ales Hemsky was available, then he Savard picked Perezhogin instead of Mike Cammalleri and the Montreal kid Jason Pominville.

    And in Savard’s final draft(where he mist out on Dion Phaneuf be 1 pick damnit), he picked Kotstitsyn instead of Jeff Carter/Brent Seabrook/Steve Bernier/Zach Parise/Ryan Getzlaf/Mike Richards and Corey Perry. All of them great young budding superstars. Then in the second round he picked Cory Urquhart. Ever heard of him? No I didn’t think so. But I bet you’ve heard of the guy who went 5 picks after him. Some guy named Patrice Bergeron.

    So if you guys want to blame any one for not drafting enough good young canadian boys, or just future superstars, Andre Savard and Rene Houle are the guys you should be blasting.

  15. #15 high 4 habs says:
    January 17, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Many of you think Gainey is a genius, but he is not! look at some of his blunders: He signed as a UFA Bonk, a complete disaster. Remember Bonk was signed to score goals, NOT to be a defensive player. Then of course there’s Samsonov, what a disaster!. How about the trade getting Kovalev? what are the most goals he scored for us in a season? not very many; he’s much better at giving away the puck allowing the opponent to score. Then Gainey traded for Aebischer, who allows constantly soft goals, and never wins. How about the players available that Gainey didn’t go after? I commented back in September, when I realized as did everyone else, that we needed a 2nd line center. I said , go get PERREAULT ! we could have had him for next to nothing as a UFA. Gainey did NOTHING. guess what? Perreault has scored 16 goals for Phoenix, and selected to the allstar team! He would have been perfect. Then there was Comrie, and Nedved. Gainey has done nothing to improve this team over last year. He is, in my opinion a lame duck GM. He is unbelievably passive. And for all of you who disagree, who’se so great down in Hamilton? Is anyone burning up the AHL? The only reason we landed Price, is because we got a #5 pick. The idea is to find diamonds in the rough. look at all the great players we passed on; the list is extensive. This team is no better than the team we had last year, and in fact, we are WORSE! So come April, when we are out of the playoffs, or barely in, tell me how much better we are from 1 year ago! I’m not trying to denegrate Gainey, because as a person and player, he was great. But great players don’t necessarily translate into great coaches or GM’s. Just because he was GM in Dallas and they won the cup,it doesn’t mean he was a great GM. They just lucked out that year. After all, wasn’t Savard, GM when we won the cup in 1993? We all know how bad a GM Savard was. So please people, stop trying to make Gainey into a saint, or ” In Gainey we trust”! it’s all crap. And when Gainey was coach last year, we BACKED into the playoffs. The best 2 GM’s in the game today are: Holland in Detroit, and Lamouriello in NJ. Take a lesson, Mr. Gainey, and learn!

  16. say what you want gang, the bottom line it comes down to goaltending
    why did carolina win the cup last year? oh yes they had a pretty good all around team but when it really came down to it, wards goaltending was what won the cup.
    I look at the new jersey devils, their top ten players scored 14 more points than montreal’s top ten, how come the devils are so much better hockey team
    Goaltending, Brodeur 44 games 1.99 GAA Huet 33 games 2.67 GAA I know Montreal’s Defence is not all that great, or their offence but great goaltending like brodeurs would change that
    trades ain’t gonna help unless we trade for the future, out with the old and in with the young like pittsburgh and we’ll be a stanley cup team down the road.

  17. #17 Habs#1 says:
    January 17, 2007 at 8:40 pm

    High for Habs, Serge Savard was the GM in 1993. Andre Savard was the GM I was talking about.

  18. #18 riser8 says:
    January 17, 2007 at 8:55 pm

    Memo to high 4 habs: I love your passion, but try and get your fact’s right before you start typing your rant. First of all Bonk was not brought here as a ufa, but was part of the package that sent Garon to LA for both Huet and Bonk…what a crappy trade….Huet is going to the all-star game and Bonk is by far our best defensive centre. When the trade was made by Gainey he stated that the main reason in getting Bonk was to have a big third line centre to go up against the other big offensive centre’s in their conference such as, Sundin, Thornton (at the time he was still in Boston)etc. Secondly you state that the farm system is bare and that Carey Price is the only real prospect worth getting excited about….you are dead wrong my friend when you make this statement…if you follow the Hab’s as seriously as I think you do take a real close look at our prospect’s and compare them to the other 29 team’s and you will see there is a reason why we rank in the top six in organizational ranking’s for the future. Thirdly you state that Serge Savard was a terrible GM….what were you smoking while he was in charge of the Canadien’s. During his tenure they won the cup in 1986, and 1993 as well as going to the final’s in 1989 before losing to Calgary in six game’s. With Savard as gm they were consistently near or at the top of the league and look at the player’s he drafted such as Patrick Roy, Claude Lemieux, Stephane Richer, Petr Svoboda, Shane Corson, Saku Koivu, etc. etc. After Savard was disgracefully dumped by Ronald Corey in 1995 the Hab’s went into a free fall as an organization for which it has taken them 10 year’s to get out of with the arrival of Bob Gainey. I don’t know about you but I sleep quite comfortable at night knowing that he is in charge of this organization and not Rejean Houle. Anyway that is my rant…..and the Hab’s will ride out this slump and get on the right track sooner than later.

  19. #19 high 4 habs says:
    January 17, 2007 at 9:39 pm

    Riser 8 , you’re dead wrong. the cup in 1993 was with a MEDIOCRE team! purely luck! In 1986, it’s because of Roy, not because we had such talented forwards. they were not great teams, in those years and everyone knows it! When you win 10 straight games in overtime, that’s L U C K !
    Gainey has made lousy decisions lately! he is NOT one of the best GM’s in the league. And I’ll bet most of the fans who booed at the Bell center last night, agree with me. It doesn’t matter what stats you have, look at the product on the ice. It’s nothing to be proud of! It’s embarrassing!

  20. #20 high 4 habs says:
    January 17, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    and Huet isn’t such a great goalie. he was picked before he started playing like sh@#$%*&T! His save pct has now dropped from 1st to 5th or 6th. Did you see those soft goals he let in last night? Bonk can’t score, and he was brought here to do exactly that. Why do you think Gainey is paying so much money? Defensive players don’t command the money he’s getting, and he’s not worth half of it. Everyone wanted to get rid of him last year, BECAUSE HE CAN’T SCORE! we have enough defensive players. WE NEED GUYS TO PUT THE PUCK IN THE NET!!! Get it?

  21. high for habs, we could also use a couple of Claude Lemieux’s and Douggie Risebough’s type players,guy’s that would do anything for the team,you know,stur stuff up ,throw the other team off thier game ,stand in front of the net and cause KAOS,GUY WITH TONS OF HEART AND EMOTION,that can skate and score aswell.Screw the primadonnas,get rid of them before they influence the new upstarts.This Habs team is like having a woman that just lies there and then asks you if your done.

  22. #22 stevejur says:
    January 17, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    I have this weird feeling that Jason Allison is going to sign.
    This would be a much better move than giving away some of our young prospects.
    If you recall Samsonov and Allison were dynamite together in Boston.
    I loved Allison in L.A he was one of my favorite players at the time.
    He was never the same after that major injury.
    He lost a step when you came back with the Leafs.
    If Allison can regain his old L.A form at only 31 years of age he would be awesome.

    I think this would be the smartest move Bob can make.
    Allison would fire up that powerplay and make us a contender.

    You heard it here first, Allison a Hab.

  23. #23 high 4 habs says:
    January 17, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    At this point, I’m not fussy. As long as they can score, sign them! Any chance Muller will lace up the skates and play? I think a team like Columbus , Chicago or St. Louis might be willing to deal, because they aren’t going to make the playoffs, and they aren’t in the eastern conference. How about Guerin?
    or maybe Weight? Anyone with ideas who could be available at the right price?

  24. Like joshtm say’s “no more broken down players”.We got enough of them , but I would grab TOD BERTUZZI. He’s real good in front of the net,u ain’t going to move him,I don’t care who u are!!

  25. #25 stevejur says:
    January 18, 2007 at 2:10 am

    Not a bad pickup Xhabsfan I agree.
    Getting an Allison for cheap (at the same time not giving anything up)
    and a Bertuzzi at the trade deadline could seal the deal.

  26. stevejur,it may be late at nite but DAM that do sound good. anyways the consept is there,maybe they would take,”this is for u mark” KOVALEV IN TRADE!

  27. #27 habrez says:
    January 18, 2007 at 3:48 am

    yanic perreault are you kidding me, just one more player to turn it over. while were at it lets get brisebois. perreault is shit. i remember when the canadiens were in the playoffs and they had a faceoff in their own zone in the dying seconds of the game lost the draw and a shot when in from the point and the media was like why wasnt perreault taking the face off? you know why cause hes shit. cant skate and cant play in his own zone. we still desperately need a center. but there is limited cap space so i dont mind gambling on allison (who’ll probably play 5 games and get injured). i liked allison i just dont think hes fast enough. but hes a smart player and he might just spark kovalev and samsonov. and shouray is gone guaranteed. and bertuzzi is washed up. if i sound negative its cause the habs need to get out of this slump. they will regardless if they make a trade or not and win the stanley cup. best team in the league!!!!

  28. #28 hab-dab-a-do says:
    January 18, 2007 at 8:16 am

    If this keeps up Ryder just may request a trade out west!! Hindsight is 20/20

  29. #29 smiler2729 says:
    January 18, 2007 at 10:45 am

    I’d wish the Habs could pry Mike Fisher and Wade Reddem away from Ottawa… again I wish. I, too, was thinking of Jason Allison but he’s mostly a power play specialist and that’s something this team doesn’t need. If Shane Doan’s available, that’d be great and hey why not take a shot at Mike Keane (wasting away on the Manitoba Moose), the little guy’s full of heart and grit and seems to be a good luck charm (teams win Cups wherever he goes). Maybe we could fleece Florida out of Jay Bouwmeester? I watch Columbus play a lot (my wife’s team) and that Tollefsen is a good tough defenceman besides they fucking owe us for stealing Francois Beauchemin and Ron Hainsey through waivers. Or how ’bout we just stand pat and let them get out of the slump, wins in Atlanta and Buffalo before the All-Crap break would be a perfect tonic.

  30. This is for the Hab fans that say you can’t build a good hockey club in montreal because of the tax thing.The Devils G.M. Lamouriello is the cheepest G.M. in the N.H.L. and look at what they make happen there.If your on the ball”OR PUCK”,anything is possable,thats if your truly great at what you do.

  31. #31 joshtm says:
    January 18, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Alot of the hockey analyst, even TSN noted early in the year the Habs had all the makings of a successful team, largely because of the rookies.

    Don’t blame Savard or Houle, hey all they know is listen to Gainey.

    Early in the year when Montreal was doing great, they had the rookies. As soon as they were coasting Gainey thought he could get the veterans to play along. Suprise all the veterans did was do what they do best. Stand around and make crappy passes and then the first few checks they complain about their groin, ankle, concussion, heck even Samsonov complained that he was checked so hard it destroyed his perm…so what does Gainey and Carbo do? They take it. Sure Sammy, we’ll pay to send you to Switzerland so you can get a decent hairdo, we can’t have split ends ruin your skating style…man Carbo and Gainey have their hearts in the wrong place.

    Then when Kostysisn, Grabby and all the other rookies deliver and do well, what does Gainey and Carbo do? they send them down.

    All the other NHL teams that have young talent use them. Not Montreal.

    So no rookies, means no entry into the first round of the playoffs. Simple.

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  34. #34 high 4 habs says:
    January 18, 2007 at 12:23 pm

    Hey Habrez; You know NOTHING about hockey.
    Perreault, who you think is “shit”, is going to the ALLSTAR game, you moron, and has scored 16 goals! So before you go spouting off your illiterate profanic mouth, shut up and read a paper, if you know how to read; though I doubt it! Can’t we get more intelligent people on this blog, ones who have half a brain? Unbelievable the morons that come on this blog !
    People check the stats before you fabricate ideas.

  35. #35 high 4 habs says:
    January 18, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    Here are some interesting stats: Florida is the league leader in short handed situations , with 271. Habs are next with 260. NJ is the best disciplined team in the league. They have only 160 short handed situations. That means, the habs have taken 100 MORE PENALTIES THAN NJ! unbelievable!
    As well, Huet has lost 7 of his last 10 starts, and in his last 2 games, he has let in 10 goals on only 49 shots!
    This team is in an extremely FRAGILE state right now, and if we lose tonight to Atlanta, and on Saturday to Buffalo, look for heads to roll !
    I believe Gainey will put more players on waivers, and demote them to Hamilton.

  36. To bad the Habs gotta crash in order for them to make the moves .I beg u Bob,please give it up with the second line”who to center Samsonov and Kovalev efforts?” U could clone those two,make em all play and they still couldn’t play with each other.

  37. #37 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    January 18, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    RDS has reported the lines for tonight as:

    SAKU-HIGGY-RYDER
    PLEKs-GUI-KOVALEV
    SAMMY-BONK-JOHNSON
    LAPI-STREIT-PEREZ

    HUET

    NIINI – DOWNEY (CHEAP SEATS)

  38. #38 riser8 says:
    January 18, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Memo to high 4 habs: Please get your fact’s right before you state that the 1986 cup winning team did not have any good forwards….How about Mats Naslund..over 40 goals and in the top ten in scoring….How about Bobby Smith also right up there in point’s that year…oh yeah I forgot about Gainey….Carbonneau….Skrudland…Claude Lemieux….Stephane Richer….Mike Mcphee….Kjell Dalin who scored 32 goals as a rookie that year…Ryan Walter etc. etc. etc. The defense was nothing to sneeze at either with Larry Robinson…Rick Green…Petr Svoboda…Craig Ludwig….etc. Yes Patrick Roy was a great part of that cup win, but there is evidence to prove that although he was great that spring ( he was just above average during the regular season
    ) there were also alot of great player’s on that addition of the Hab’s. I rest my case.

  39. #39 Habs#1 says:
    January 18, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    Don’t forget Chelios in 86.

  40. #40 riser8 says:
    January 18, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    Thank’s Habs#1….I can’t believe I forgot Chelios….that just add’s more evidence to my argument.

  41. #41 high 4 habs says:
    January 18, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    And, smarties, what was their record when they finished the season? Did they finish #1, in the standings? NO. Did they finish #2 in the standings? NO!
    They were a very mediocre team who lucked out because of Roy, and because better teams that were supposed to be there, got knocked out!
    I have been following the habs before you guys were even born, and I’ve seen it all, including fans who want to believe a team who wins the cup must be great. WRONG! End of discussion. Try looking at all the criteria before making statements, and live in the reality now, not 20 years ago!

  42. #42 habrez says:
    January 18, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    high 4 habs. all i was saying was that perreault is a defensive liability. he looks good on paper, other than his plus/minus (-12 for his career). do you really think he’d be at the all star game if it wasnt for the mandatory representation of a player from each team? look at the scoring leaders (cause apparently thats the deciding factor for determining good players) and count the number of players who have more points per game than yanic who didn’t make the all star game because their team was already represented. as for your later comment about non great teams winning the stanley cup. i could maybe see your point if you were talking about the nfl where a team might not show up one night and subsequently get eliminated. but with a best of seven format the best team usually prevails.

  43. #43 riser8 says:
    January 18, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    Memo to high 4 habs: You must have followed the Habs since the 1950′s if you think that you were watching them before I was born. God you must be as old as the great Red Fisher…..maybe you are Red Fisher. Look all kidding aside, we have both seen alot of games over the last five decade’s…the great team’s of the 60′s and 70′s as well as the very competitive team’s in the 80′s and early 90′s to the current addition. I have alot of patience with this organization because I feel they are a part of me and will always be a part of me (just like thousand’s of other Hab fan’s probably feel). Am I happy when they lose..of course not, but I usually get over it pretty quick as I have other priority’s now in life such as raising a family and earning an honest living. Trust me when I tell you that when it come’s to the Hab’s winning or losing hockey game’s it is far down my list of concern’s. I can see the improvement in the organization over the last three year’s and I believe we will continue to see improvement over the next number of year’s as well. With a 30 team league and salary cap restriction’s you will never see a dynasty in this league again. Anyway if you want to bitch and complain all the time go right ahead, that is your right…myself I will sit back and enjoy the good and bad time’s of this great franchise. By the way..nice road win tonight.

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