Bob Gainey drops the axe on Guy Carbonneau.
I’m not too surprised, there had been a lot of speculation this would happen. However, I’m not sure how I feel about this happening with only 16 games left in their regular season. It will be interesting to watch, if the Habs miss the playoffs this year I think I will be physically ill.
I hate to see Carbo leave the organization, I still think he would make a great coach, but maybe he just was not ready for the NHL and should have had some time in Hamilton. Carbo coached like he played unfortunately his players didn’t play with the same enthusiasm. But I think the most disappointing part is that he actually got let down by his veteran players. The kids played well, he also had the misfortune of having key players injuried for lengthly periods namely Lang, Tanguay, Koivu, Price and the other misfortune was that he had some very bad goaltending after the allstar break that really did us in. So to me you cannot blame Carbo for all our problems, if he had decent goaltending for half those games that we lost he would still be the coach right now and we would probably had about 85 point and be in 4th place and in a comfortable position for the playoffs. But that did not happen and he was not able to overcome all the problems that this team had. So now Gainey moves into the job with both our goaltenders playing well. Our penalty killing could not be any better, our PP has shown signs of improvement and now all we have to do is get our goal scorers to score. If that happens we could still make some noise in the playoffs.
When Julien was fired, I believe it had little to do with the job he was doing and more to do with shaking things up/motivation/etc. Perhaps the same here? If the Habs win 12 of the remaining games and make a serious bid for the cup, this will be seen as pure genious. Otherwise…
The problem that Carbo has in his years in Montreal is that he never became more then a rookie coach. A coach doesn’t lose games, but he can mismanage them. There were too many times to count where Carbo made critical strategic mistakes that cost Montreal points. Small things like not calling time-outs, putting grinders on the powerplay (especially Metropolit on a 5 on 3 powerplay when your team is down one goal) etc etc etc. From reading Gainey’s comments from the news conference it seems that he finally had had enough. The fact is, the coach has the team playing a system it was not built for. He has proven offensive talent that is handicapped by his constant line-juggling, and his insistence on playing a passive trap. Gainey has Stanley Cup coaching experience and the most intimate knowledge of his franchise. The Canadiens will be well served with him behind the bench, and my hope is that the players respond to the fact that there is no other excuse to fall upon. Now is the time to pull it together.
Wow. I just got back from a disappointing display by Canada at the WBC–eliminated–and this.
So Gainey went with his only realistic option. He had to as they obviously don’t play for the guy. No hard feelings, Guy, but you aren’t the coach that this team needs.
It was only 2 days I wrote on here that Carbs should go. Wow…didn’t expect so soon. Thanks for the memories, I respect Guy Carbonneau as a player, but never did like his coaching…so I’m not upset at all.
The things you were saying Mats is the reason why…mismanagement and bad decisions….grinders on the PP, 4th liners getting 18 minutes of ice time…..how far can you actually go like that…very unothodox and didn’t work more than it did.
I also don’t know I’d blame the veteran players….perhaps they are drastically underachieving because they don’t like Carbs system as I don’t…perhaps as a coach they just don;t respect him or his decisions and just can’t get UP to play for him anymore….time will tell.
Anyways, I like the move….this summer time to fulfill step 2…go out and get a top notch center…pay what you will and lets build a winner around him.
This style of hockey doesn’t work, just as it doesn;t in Minnesota. Get the best coach for the job Bob…that doesn’t necessarily choosing from the Habs alumni…there are great coaches out there who are not from the province of Quebec….good move Gainey.
I think that Carbo fell into the same trap that Lemaire did when he coach the team, Lemaire went on to be a great coach but itis too bad he did not learn his skills in the minors instead of at the NHL level, I think Carbo can be and will be a great coach one day, but as all rookies they make mistakes and sometime who win and more often you lose. I would like to see carbo given the job down in Hamilton, to me he is a teaching coach and he can learn the trade in the minors. But I still say had Carbo not had the unfortunately luck of injuries to key personal as better goaltending, we would not be having this conversation right now, the Canadiens would have 10 to 15 more points right now and Carbo would still have his job. I do agree with Gainey’s move and as I said Friday night he had to make a move and that he would be the guy to go behind the behind. I do feel sorry for Carbo though.
Go behind the behind? Senet1, are you implying that there’s more to this relationship than meets the behi- err, the eye?
Seriously though, there’s no question that that kind of underperforming cannot be tolerated at this level. However, I do think that this being their centennial season, the pressure to accomplish something is even moreso. That had to be a factor on some level because missing the playoffs this season would be beyond unacceptable. It would be viewed as a complete and utter failure.
Is this a case of too little to late? Not sure at this point. Do the leaders on this team have the players around them to turn the switch on at this point? Gainey is making this move to look good based on the criticism across all levels. Should have reacted quicker right after the return of Price. Too much expected from a very young, and perhaps psychological fragile goalie. He should have also made a splash in the trade deadline. I guess Lafleur’s comments a few weeks back came true.
The season isn’t over, the playoffs are there for the taking…remember who’s in first??? Yup, my Bruins, and you guys always play at another level against us. So, the team may need to find that type of motivation…any kind of motivation.
This team will need a coach that brings fire and brimstone to the organization….can you say St-Patrick in 09-10??? I see it.
See you in the playoffs (and I mean it)…..Tony from NB
Something else to think about from the perspective of our goal scoring lines…….you score 2 goals in the first 10 mins and you’re given somewhat limited ice time to make way for 4th-liners OR you don’t score and you’re given limited ice time to make way for 4th-liners….it’s the same result no matter how we play for this guy. How can our stars, get up for games night after night knowing that how ever they perform, shortened ice time is the result, and the scattered shift you do get you are forced to stay in your end the entire shift. Not saying this is or is contributing to the problem, but it makes sense doesn’t it?
Carbonneau rewards players who play like he did, thats obvious…..problem is, players who play like he did and good enough to score goals and win games….so rewarding these guys with PP time, double shifts, playing the end of the game to try and get a goal, and playing 15-20 mins a game, for the mostpart, came at the expense of the team. These guys are 4th liners for a reason…lack of skill, and you don;t live and die with these guys. Tom k, Lapierre and a few more getting 15-20 minutes a game, coupled with trying to hold a 1 or 2 goal lead by playing trap hockey isn’t great coaching…it’s just dumb….and is a great part of the reason we are where we are in the standings.
Hopefully Gainey will change this…give our top lines some free range, let the D worry about the majority of the D, cut back 4th-liners ice time to “normal” 4th line minutes, and see if we can still salvage something outta this season. GO HABS GO !!!
Trying to hold a 1 or 2 goals lead by polaying tarp hockey FOR 50 MINS is what I should have said. I apologoze.
I’ve read or heard all kinds of reasons why Carbonneau was fired, one of which claimed that it was a result of Carbonneau’s wife being on the charter (silly), so who knows what really happened.
The point is, one cannot assume that this was a hockey move, despite the fact that logic would suggest that it was. Maybe Carbonneau challenged Gainey after the Kovalev fiasco. Maybe he challeneged him over something else entirely. Maybe he was upset with him for not making moves which Carbonneau deemed to be necessary moves at the deadline. Maybe their friendship took a turn for the worse due to their working relationship and the pressure which comes with it. Who knows.
Obviously there were problems previously, but WOW…the only Hab worth his salt in Atlanta was Price. Gainey said that next morning is when he started making phone calls. I realize Atlanta beat Calgary badly right after that, but a beer league in-line team could’ve beaten Montreal friday night. The players play, but the coach is responsible for making sure the team is ready to play and managing the game once the puck drops. Guy remains one of my all time favorite Habs, and best of luck to him, but he was clearly not the man for the job. Not for the centennial season expectations anyway.
I agree, Nilan.
I don’t buy the ‘Atlanta beat Calgary too’ argument either. That’s comparing apples and oranges. Calgary and Montreal are light years apart right now. Atlanta beat Calgary, yes, but they did so by playing the spoiler role very well against a good hockey team. on the other hand, they beat Montreal by allowing Montreal to beat themselves. Big difference there.
Nilan I fully agree with you. Guy was absolutely one of my favorite players growing up, but he didn’t make the kinds of decisions that makea tam successful. I think he could be a great coach in this league, but noone could compare him to a guy like Boudreau or Babcock. Those guys understand how to get their players in position to be successful. Carbo has a lot to learn as far as how to be a top coach.
Well, I don’t know if Gainey is making changes just for the optics or if he has see something drastically different, but he has put D’Agostini on the PLex-Kovy line and shuffled his defense around. Markov-Komi, Hamrlik-O’Byrne, Schneider-Gorges. Brisebois and Pax are sitting out. I’m on board with the changes although I do remember that Markov-Komisarek were BRUTAL together during January and February. I also think Max-Pax’s style fits the Kovy line better as he’s bigger and stronger than D’Agostini, but I’m willing to give Bob the benefit of the doubt as he is closer to the situation the rest of us. I can’t wait for the game tonight. Kovy is so happy to see Carbo gone he scores a trick?
“The last time Gainey took over as coach, he led Montreal into the playoffs, but lost in the first round to eventual Stanley Cup champion Carolina.” — ESPN
Yes, but what they’ve failed to mention is that the Habs were on the verge of going up 3-0 in that series before Captain Koivu nearly lost his eye and was sidelined for the remainder of the post-season. Prior to that, the 7th place Habs were playing with passion and confidence.
I think that Gainey will do a good job.
It’s interesting how an isolated event can result in an outcome or a long term change in sports. Carolina was close to being eliminated in that series. And then the Williams high stick on Koivu changed everything. They proceeded to win four straight against the shaken Habs and go on to win the Cup. And in all honestly, they probably never have survived the first round that season.
Similarly, the Bruins looked average at the start of this season. But then they finally beat the Habs to get that monkey off their back and they never looked back. Until recently. It’ll be interesing to see what unfolds in the playoffs.