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  • The Canadiens welcome the Leafs to the Bell Center tonight for their second meeting of the year.

    The Leafs are struggling defensively and will opt to start JS Aubin in nets over Andrew Raycroft.

    The Habs will go with Abeischer between the pipes who defeated the Leafs 3-2 earlier this year.

    Darcy Tucker is drawing attention for attacking Patrick Eaves and then turtling when challenged by Chris Neil among others. Don’t be surprised if Tucker gets involved tonight especially if they get down early.

    Remember the last time Tucker played in Montreal:

    These games speak for themselves.

    Habs and Leafs Saturday night.

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  1. #1 Habs#1 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 11:31 am

    You hit the nail on the head jay. Trade Kovalev for a centre or Kovalev and Ninnamaa for a young d-man.

  2. #2 Rob says:
    October 30, 2006 at 11:52 am

    I cannot believe that Lafleur stole my bit from the last series of posts when he called Kovalev a prima donna? Jeeezzz, that’s kinda funny considering the source! However, I am still waiting for Kovalev to release a CD of his instructions on how to play hockey that is set to dance tunes. Kovalev could call it “Dancin’ with myself.” Ahh, forget it, you guys probably don’t get the references anyways.

    Habs #1 — I like some of the trades that you are thinking about (post #46) However, no team of problematic players would be complete without Eric Lindros on it.

  3. #3 johnnyhab says:
    October 30, 2006 at 2:30 pm

    Looks like Kovalev and Samsonov are the new Theodore & Riberio

  4. #4 ROFL1967 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 3:04 pm

    or however is not playing for like 3 games is instantly hated, hated, villified and told to be ‘TRADED! TRADED! TRADED!!!!11oneone!!!’ instantly.

    People need to shut up and have faith in the team. Including me.

  5. #5 ROFL1967 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 3:05 pm

    in English that was -’or whoever is not playing well…’

    Either way the point is there.

  6. #6 katie says:
    October 30, 2006 at 3:10 pm

    Lets go toronto lets go whoo Well Im not a canadian fan thats for sure!

  7. #7 ROFL1967 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 3:36 pm

    VERY slow clap there

  8. #8 Rob says:
    October 30, 2006 at 4:04 pm

    What does ROFL stand for, anyways? I get that 1967 is the last time that the leafs won the cup, but what’s the rest about?

  9. #9 mab says:
    October 30, 2006 at 5:18 pm

    I Don’t know where everybody else was but Ive gone to the past two home games buffalo, toronto and going to ottawa also,

    I READ ABOUT EVERYBODY BASHING THE CANADIENS ALL THE TIME BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY’RE NOT THAT BAD I MEAN YES DEFENSE ON OUR TEAM STINKS SOME TIMES THIS GOALIE STINKS (**HUET**) BUT THE MAIN GUY THAT ALWAYS GETS LEFT OUT OF THE STINKS CATEGORY IS ….CAPTAIN SAKU KOIVU OUT OF ALL THE GAMES I’VE SEEN LIVE OR NOT HES ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM NOT BECAUSE HES NOT GOOD OR NOT THE HEART BECAUSE HES GOT HEART BIG TIME DON’T GET ME WRONG BUT MAYBE HE SHOULDN’T BE PLAYING ON THE FIRST LINE HE SORT OF REMINDS ME OF THE FORMER SHARK PLAYER MIKE RICCI ALL HEART , GREAT COMPETITOR BUT NOTHING ELSE AND JUST MAYBE THATS WHY WE DONT PLAY GOOD I THINK ITS KOIVU’S TURN TO GO TO THE FOURTH LINE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE !!! I MEAN HE IS MAKING THE MOST ON THE TEAM BUT FOR WHAT JUST TO BE CAPTAIN ? DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.
    AND HOW COME NOBODY ON THIS BOARD WROTE ABOUT HOW BAD KOIVU PLAYED ON SATURDAY
    IS HE SPECIAL OR SOMETHING

  10. #10 ROFL1967 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 5:38 pm

    ROFL – Rolling On the Floor Laughing

    Basically omfgwtfbbq

  11. #11 Snake says:
    October 30, 2006 at 5:52 pm

    Koivu gets a pass, but you’re right he played a bad game on Sat. ANd to Habs #1 Apparently I did misread what you said, I guess you were standing up for SOuray. Too be honest I love what Rivet brings to the table in terms of grit but if you think he is starting six material on thsi team you are mistaken. Streit is improving and Rivet is declining fast. And no it was not one bad game. This has been a ongoing problem. If you want I can make a highlight tape for you gonig back to the beginning of last year. ANd no it wont be 3 minutes long like SOurays blunders.

  12. #12 Snake says:
    October 30, 2006 at 6:00 pm

    I will make you a deal, when Rivet is dealt then we will start the Kovalev rants. You must remember the media in MOntreal is absurd, they will make a story out of anything. Sammy on teh 3rd he must want out! Kovalev got kicked out of a game. He doesnt care! Roy let in 9 goals in 35 minutes. Thank god Jablonski shut the door! Okay I added that last one in myself and let me guess Habs 1 that will offend you. Imagine in Roy had played the full 60 like he was paid to do, OUCH. ANyways the reason the media gets away with this is there are so many suckers that believe every word of it. NOw sarcasm, Lets trade Kovy, Sammy and SOuray for draft picks. Then lets call up Laperiere and Kostisyn, that will solve all our problems. CUp in 2015, yippee!

  13. #13 Snake says:
    October 30, 2006 at 6:07 pm

    ANd no I dont want Yashin, and I was the one making fun of Arnason

  14. #14 Habs#1 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 6:54 pm

    Well looks like the Pipe Dream a lot of Montreal fans may have the slightest sliver of reality. Rumor has it that the new Philly GM is shopping Simon Gagne.

    For me, I think this is bull and will never happen, but if there is even the most minor chance that Gainey could get this guy, would you ecxept a Kovalev for Gagne trade?

    And Snake, how would I be affended?

  15. #15 habs suk says:
    October 30, 2006 at 7:32 pm

    HABs SUK……….leafs beat them 5-4…and a defenceman-yes a defenceman- got a hat trick against them. You guys can’t even stop Tomas Kaberle…who needs McCabe. Leafs are the BEST…Canadians Suck. And you guys want to talk about flukes…try CHRISTOBAL HUET.

  16. #16 ROFL1967 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 7:37 pm

    SHUT THE **** UP YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING ANTAGONISER! GO BACK TO YOUR LITTLE SQAULLER AND LEARN TO ACCEPT AN OT WIN AS NOTHING MORE THAN SHARED POINTS ******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you.

  17. #17 bauld says:
    October 30, 2006 at 7:38 pm

    With all due respect, Saku Koivu, carved up eye and all, sees the ice better than any other Canadien on offense. Markhov is the other one that sees the ice exceedingly well. I’m sure anyone else that actually plays hockey would agree or have an opinion not much different than mine.

    Rivet was worrying on Saturday. Seemed like the Canadiens ‘D’ had a terrible time moving the puck out of their zone – it was painful to watch. Give T.O. credit for forechecking … but it was mostly using their large slow carcasses to protect the puck – as opposed to high-speed transition and forechecking. I was actually shocked that the Leafs managed 50+ shots on goal, because it didn’t feel that way.

    Regarding Aebischer, he has made some good saves, but he flails around too much after the first shot – bad positioning. His highlight reel saves have been pucks that have hit him in mid-flail. This will allow him to have some good games and some bad games, and make some spectacular saves, but will prevent him from rising to the level of a top-notch starter – just like when he was in Colorado.

  18. #18 bauld says:
    October 30, 2006 at 7:41 pm

    To “habs suk”:

    You talk about flukes – the biggest fluke of all, and unfortunate for the civilized world, was the day you were conceived. Get a life.

  19. #19 Habs#1 says:
    October 30, 2006 at 7:48 pm

    Zing!!!!!

  20. #20 Rubberman says:
    October 30, 2006 at 8:28 pm

    I love how every TOm, ****, Francois has their say on this blog. No one has any idea what Bob or Carbo are thinking or planning. I’m enjoying this year. You win some, you lose some. Overall, the HAbs are better. Could they improve? Sure, will they? Who in heck knows!!! BUT, WHEN PEOPLE CALL FOR TRADES, TRADE THIS GUY, THAT GUY. Be patient and that what BOb will do. As much as Kovelev is self-centred, he’s still a threat to opposing teams. Maybe that opens up the ice for other players… IT kills me to think this way, but I don’t see how the HAbs could pass into the 2nd playoff round. Their overall core (3rd line, 3-5th d-men) need to be solid and they’re not! However, I’ll cheer for them, by bummed out if they lose. Like you, they’re still THE TEAM! Go Habs Go!

  21. #21 PACTUM SERVA says:
    October 30, 2006 at 8:30 pm

    “Habs suk” you are a perfect example of whats happens when your parents are first cousins.llllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol

  22. #22 jay says:
    October 30, 2006 at 8:52 pm

    @ Habs SUCK,

    You are the proverbeal “Load” your mom SHOULD have swallowed, Unfortunately for the rest of us that’s not what her JON had in mind that evening!!!

    @Bauld I guess “Habs SUCK’S” mother was busy that night as i’m assumung your brothers!!!

    @ Mab,

    What the hell are you talking about!!! Take Koivu out of the equation and that #1 line is esentially done! As in last years game 3 through 6 of the first round against Carolina…There is a reason Koivu’s got the “C” and not only is it because of his ON-ICE performance…But also his LOCKERROOM presence!Last year Koivu went I think it was 18 games without a goal, before breaking his drought with an overtime win against Atlanta! The thing to take from that is despite his “Slump” He came out and played hard EVERY NIGHT! making plays and getting assists! HE HAS HEART! and I DEFY you to find ANY team in the NHL that wouldn’t KILL to have him on their roster!!!So if ur going to slam KOIVU I don’t think this is the place to do it! And I’m pretty confident that any habs fan on this blog would disagree with me!!

    That being said…BRING ON OTTAWA!! Go HABS Go!!

  23. #23 jay says:
    October 30, 2006 at 8:55 pm

    @ BAULD

    I’m sooo sorry I was so caught up in my thoughts about KOIVU that I READ something You wrote TO HABS SUCKS and thought you wrote something he did!!! Anyway My apologizies to you and your mother’s JON..(JUST KIDDING!)
    ICouldn’t resist!
    Sorry buddy!

    gO hABS gO!

  24. #24 jay says:
    October 30, 2006 at 8:56 pm

    @ BAULD I’m sooo sorry I was so caught up in my thoughts about KOIVU that I READ something You wrote TO HABS SUCKS and thought you wrote something he did!!! Anyway My apologizies to you and your mother’s JON..(JUST KIDDING!)
    I Couldn’t resist!
    Sorry buddy!

    gO hABS gO!

  25. #25 johnnyhab says:
    October 30, 2006 at 9:38 pm

    come on Guys!! Rivet is a solid D-man. yes saturday was a bad game for him well not just him alone. Let’s not bad mouth our team when we are pissed. Take it out on the Leafs!!! Imagine if we had t.o’s defence

    go habs go

  26. #26 Snake says:
    October 30, 2006 at 10:07 pm

    I like how that leafs fan commented how Kaberle sucks without McCabe. HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW HIS OWN TEAM. WHAT A ******. McCabe is obviously overated and Kaberle under appreciated. He probably didnt even watch the game. HE didnt even know it was a SO. HAHA its fans like him that make the Leafs look worse then they even are. AND THATS BAD.

    HAbs 1 : Kovy for Gagne, sure why not.

  27. #27 johnnyhab says:
    October 30, 2006 at 10:21 pm

    Yeah!! now thats what i’m talkin about

  28. #28 ROFL1967 says:
    October 31, 2006 at 12:39 am

    Tottaly Unrelated but Tomas Plekanec is 24 today.

    Celebrate extra hard by shouting at some trick or treaters, or getting Sheldon to level some.

  29. #29 mab says:
    October 31, 2006 at 2:59 pm

    like i said ### JAY ***
    KOIVU is good but he doesn’t deserve 4.75 million a year to be a captain and to be the team locker boy, or whatever else we all know and think of (EXCUSES) he supposed to play hockey thats it! YES HE HAS HEART, YES HE GIVES IT HIS ALL bLAH! BLAH ! bLAH! put every other aspect aside and remember what most hard headed people like you don’t understand IS he isn’t a FIRST LINER and HIGGINS is our new guy Koivu should be on the penalty kills, 2nd line maybe even the 3rd helping the other players develop and teach them how to play
    RYDER & HIGGINS DESERVE TO PLAY WITH SOMEONE BETTER OFFENSIVELY POINT FINAL!

    I THINK BEFORE ASKING FOR TRADES LIKE ALOT OF PEOPLE MAYBE ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE ON FIRST LINE YA THATS RIGHT KOIVU 2ND OR 3RD LINER
    AND HEY IF IT DOESN’T WORK THAN WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE

    BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST TRY WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES FOR WAS ,HAS AND MAYBE (KOIVU)

    HABS ALL THE WAY TONIGHT ABBY’S THE NEW GUY IN TOWN!!!

  30. #30 Joseph says:
    November 1, 2006 at 4:11 am

    Boy, that’s great, Katie. Not a ‘canadian fan’, hey?

    I know this is a little late but… what a terrible performance against a terrible team. And then they show up for (maybe) 10 minutes and send it to a shootout? Imagine what might have happened had the Habs played 60 minutes.

    Can’t let those ‘gimme points’ get away. Get it together, team.

  31. #31 Leaf Fan says:
    March 20, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    The Habs suck Leafs are way better then the Habs. Tucker is a good hockey player he has a lot of goals and hes benn out most of the season. Abby your goalie is really bad Raycroft is much better

    Leafs are the best

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  • Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
  • Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
  • goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
  • Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
  • Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
  • Avatar37 : «link»
  • Avatar37 : go.
  • Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
  • Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
  • Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
  • Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
  • goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
  • goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
  • goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
  • Avatar37 : «link»
  • Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
  • Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
  • Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
  • Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
  • Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
  • Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
  • Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
  • Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
  • Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
  • Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
  • goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
  • goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
  • Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
  • Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
  • Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
  • Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
  • Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
  • goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
  • goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
  • goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).

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