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Habs / Flyers: Game 4

  • The Canadiens trail a playoff series for the first time this year. Down 2-1 for game 4 tonight in Philly.

    Despite out shooting the Flyers by 20 shots the Canadiens dropped game 3. The powerplay clicked in the end, but was horrendous in the beginning when it was needed. Combined with some bad bounces, unlucky posts and bad goaltending, the Canadiens played catch up down 2-0 for the third straight game.

    Guy Carbonneau is playing a few headgames by keeping his starting goalie a ‘secret’ until game time.

    Expect Carey Price to return to the lineup and redeem his poor effort on Monday night.

    Other than Martin Biron and their penalty killing unit, the Flyers have not overly impressed in any way. The Canadiens have defeated themselves.

    Should the Habs start executing – manage to score first, have decent goaltending and have an average or better powerplay – they should not have any problem getting back into the series.

282 Comments
  1. #1 habsfansrsoft says:
    May 1, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    He didn’t play the whole third period cuz he didn’t wanna get hit anymore knowing the game was out of reach, if u didn’t pik up on that.

  2. #2 DieHard Habs Fan says:
    May 1, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    future habs fan:

    Did you see this out of your own eyes?

    What do you want Ryder to do. Cry all the time.

    Ryder got the last laugh while Carbo’s season and stupid moves are falling down around his ankles.

    Ryder knows he will go to another team where he will be that 30 goal scorer again.

    Ryder is laughing at Carbo. Good for him!!!

  3. #3 habby says:
    May 1, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Ryder will never score 30 goals again!!!!!

  4. #4 Joseph says:
    May 1, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    181 jrs1t

    It’s folks like yourself, jrslt, that are putting the unfortunates more and more in to persepctive.

    # 192 The Blade
    Posted on May 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′.

    Someone please explain to me how Montreal is the Cinderella team? Are you on crack? Clearly the lowest seed still left playing well is traditionally the cinderella team. Not the top seed of a conference, dingleberries.

    They’re considered a Cinderella team because all of the analysts and self-proclaimed experts predicted them to finish well out of a playoff spot by season’s end. Further, this team was supposed to be building for next season and beyond. They were early bloomers when the won the conference.

    # 188 Jack
    Posted on May 1st, 2008 at 12:25 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′.

    To 184 groundworking,

    If you read my Blog(178) more closely, where I’m refering to the Leafs, I’m refering to the “Leaf fans” not the Leaf organization(Management, ownership, etc.). When I stated “you guys should take some lessons from the Leaf fans”, I’m refering to their loyalty to their team considering their Stanley Cup drought(known to be the most commited fans-Air Canada Centre is sold out for every game even though they are the priciest tickets in the NHL)…so I’m not comparing the two teams, I’m refering to their fans…I could have used NY Rangers as an example. All I’m stating is Hab fans should never give up and bad mouth their team when they loosing or in a rut(refer to the blogs following last nights Habs loss).I’m a Philly fan lose or win…the later in this case…Go Flyers Go!

    Jack, you’ve no idea what you’re saying here. I currently live in the middle of Leafs nation and I can assure you that the Leafs have as bandwagon jumpers as any other team. And as for the sellouts, that’s largely to do with the fact that corporations own more than half the seats. Corporations affiliated with the Leafs. You want an analogy? Loyal consumers. When’s the last time that consumers actually did anything about ever increasing gas prices?

    Further, Habs fans are emotional because they have high expectations, whereas Leafs fans have become much more accustomed to disappointment, and thus tend to settle for the product on the ice at the ACC regardless of its quality.

    I’m speaking from experience. But perhaps you had the luxury of brushing up against some more loyal Leafs fans. Either way, the comparison is a flawed one.

  5. #5 Joseph says:
    May 1, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    The Penguins will destroy the Flyers, plain and simple. They will exploit their weak defense, which collectively resembles something akin to an old tractor (it’s true), they will light up Biron, and they will have an answer to the Flyers’ physical play. In other words, they will execute where the Habs have not been able to execute.

    And whoever goes after Crosby will get a face full of Laraque.

  6. #6 habsfansrsoft says:
    May 1, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Joseph close your but cheeks, i can hear u talkin out of your a$$. Laraque’s gonna have to go after the whole team, cuz thats who’s gonna be goin after crosby, if we can win one more in this series. Pitt threw a game so they didn’t have to play the Flyers, obviously there coach knows it will be there toughest oponenet in the playoffs, but i guess u know more than him, keep talkin out of your a$$.

  7. #7 Frog says:
    May 1, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Hey Habs fan, the only one taliking out of the A$$ is you! Montreal is going to win this series. The Flyers like all other Philly teams will choke. It’s the Philly way!

  8. #8 Joseph says:
    May 1, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    # 207 habsfansrawesome!
    Posted on May 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′.

    Joseph close your but cheeks, i can hear u talkin out of your a$$. Laraque’s gonna have to go after the whole team, cuz thats who’s gonna be goin after crosby, if we can win one more in this series. Pitt threw a game so they didn’t have to play the Flyers, obviously there coach knows it will be there toughest oponenet in the playoffs, but i guess u know more than him, keep talkin out of your a$$.

    First of all, you disrespectful little turd, mind your manners. (I’d like to slap your parents for not teaching you any.)

    Secondly, it must be frustrating for you watching Pittsburgh get all of the great talents that the Flyers don’t. Crosby is a whiner, no doubt, and his whining certainly annoys me, but he’s far more talented than any player on your Flyers. And his talent will embarrass your team. As will Malkin’s, Hossa’s, Gonchar’s, Malone’s, etc.

    If the Flyers win this series, which is likely going to be the case, they will lose in the ECF. Lose the halloween goggles, nancy – it’ll be no contest.

  9. #9 habsfansrsoft says:
    May 1, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Frogs,
    Phantoms won the AHL wat three times in the past ten years, so theres one team that hasn’t choked. N you can talk about your 24 stanley cups, but the last won was 15 years ago, distant memories my friend close the yearbook.
    Joseph,
    Crosby is great, n so is malkin, n every other player u named. n there walking through teams right now. but wat happens when they go down 1-0 in a game? or 2-1 in a series? can they fight through adversity. Champions can, n so far the Flyers have fought through every opsticle put in there path. Whether it be the ten game loosing streak down the stretch, giving up a 3-1 series lead to the caps, a 2-0 lead in game seven to the caps, getting screwed out of game 1, giving up a 3-0 lead, a 2-0 lead. N thats the sign of a champ. I’ll take any one of my Flyers over the pretty boys u named cuz they have the hearts of champions. n im sorry if i was rude, but to crown them champs when they havn’t overcome an obsticle yet is ridiculous. n believe me if u slapped my pop, his 6-5 a$$ would squash u worse than hatcher to your boy boullion, the man is mean.

  10. #10 habsfansrsoft says:
    May 1, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    John Stevens was the coach of the Phantoms when they won, he knows how to win championships. Glad he’s at the helm.

  11. #11 future habs fan says:
    May 1, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Carbo won 3 stanley cups, as a player.

  12. #12 future habs fan says:
    May 1, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    did you know frogs is a derogatory term? You come as a guest on OUR blog, and insult us? Where are your manners? Oh, I forgot, Philly fans don’t have manners, they’re pigs!

  13. I call him pussnuts,lol

  14. #14 future habs fan says:
    May 1, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    you should see philly’s blogs. awful. so primative. no comparison. guess they want to see how the real world lives. I think we should pity them.

  15. lol AHL Victories………….HAMILTON BULLDOGS WON IT LAST YEAR!!!!(HABZ FARM TEAM)

  16. #16 DieHard Habs Fan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 8:03 am

    It is funny how I get bashed for my comments which are the same as this Guy:

    While the great Montreal Canadiens franchise is not in danger of crashing and burning, they do have their backs against the wall trailing in the series to Philadelphia 3-1. Hence, the comparison to the popular legend: Nero played the fiddle (lyre) during the great fire of Rome.

    After three consecutive losses to the Philadelphia Flyers, Guy Carbonneau decided to give the team, including players, coaches and trainers the day off. “Everyone needs to go home and spend time with their family…recharge the batteries” said Carbonneau. For his part, Carbo said “I just stayed home. I went to play golf. I enjoyed my day.”

    The NHL playoffs are a grind, both mentally and physically. A day of rest is no doubt, welcome. However, does Carbonneau realize that if his team doesn’t win on Saturday night, they will have plenty of time to ‘spend with their family?’ Where is the sense of urgency?

    It’s no secret that a number of the Canadiens (and Flyers) are banged up. In lieu of a day at the rink, the team could have spent time reviewing video. At the very least, would it not make sense for the coaches to meet and strategize? Here’s some of the important issues facing the team:

    adjustments to the special teams, particularly the predictable power-play
    positioning of players in front of the net to screen Biron or deflect pucks
    improvements to defensive zone coverage
    ensuring that the best players are in the line-up
    If not on the golf course, perhaps Carbonneau would have also found the time to consult with his goaltenders. At his teleconference today, Carbonneau said “I have made my decision but I haven’t had a chance today to talk to Carey or Jaro so I want to make sure that they are the first ones to know.” I hope that he made his decision after watching three relatively soft goals scored by the Flyers on Wednesday night. Could he not have told Price in the dressing room at the end of the game that he would be starting on Saturday? No certainly not. Carbo’s ego wouldn’t allow him to admit that his decision was a mistake.

    What about Carey Price? What do you think is on his mind today? Golf? Fishing? Rodeo? Likely not. I’m sure he would have appreciated a confidence boost knowing well in advance that he would be starting on Saturday night. What about the persistent rumours of an injury to Price? Carbonneau answered that bluntly “Carey Price is not hurt, not his finger, his hand, his shoulder, his knee. He’s got no injury.” His mental state? Carbonneau said “Right now his confidence is a little hit, but he is not injured.” And I wonder who is to blame for his shaken confidence coach Carbonneau?

    In the absence of any team activity, there was additional scrutiny regarding Carbonneau’s decision to start Jaroslav Halak. No one could offer a reasonable explanation. Two former NHL’ers chimed in. When asked if Price should have sat out Wednesday’s game, Bernie Nicholls replied “Absolutely not!” Mike Bullard said “the kid (Price) is a proven winner.” Stephen Brunt from the Globe said “I don’t see any upside in what Carbonneau did. This should never have been about Price. What has been a great year could end sour.”

    Pierre McGuire, one of the most respected hockey analysts on both sides of the border, was more blunt in his appraisal. “There is not one shred of evidence that Halak is a better goaltender than Carey Price. There is no documented proof that this young man (Price) has not stepped up at this time of year at any level.” When asked to describe Carbonneau’s decision, McGuire said “It is a hunch, no more, no less.” He continued, “The hunch was terrible. I would never have done it. It was a terrible decision.”

    McGuire said that Carbonneau’s decision did not go unnoticed around the NHL. He said “Players around the league are asking ‘what was Montreal doing?’ ‘what were they thinking?’” McGuire suggested that the irrational decision could have lasting effects on the Montreal Canadiens franchise. When pressed, he would only say “Major damage can be done when players are put in the wrong position.” As if it wasn’t already hard enough to attract good free agents to Montreal.

    While Carbonneau was on the golf course, there is no question that at least one Canadien was on the job today. Bob Gainey insists on running a top flight, professional organization with a carefully crafted media message. He has undoubtedly taken notice as his arrogant rookie playoff head coach makes senseless decisions. He wouldn’t be pleased to hear his coach say publicly that the team’s impact goalie was “ebranle” (shaken). He also wouldn’t be happy to hear an exasperated Carbonneau saying that he didn’t know how the team could get a puck past Biron.

    In contrast to Carbonneau who shrugs his shoulders and heads out to the first tee, Gainey is smart guy, with a strategic plan who will not stand by ‘as Rome burns’. It’s unlikely during the playoffs, but expect Gainey to take action when the season ends.

    For my part, I still have confidence in the members of this team. The Canadiens are a superior team to the Flyers. However, I have lost confidence in (and respect for) the team’s coach.

    Oh, and how was the golf game? Carbonneau said “A couple of birdies. That was it. No hole in one.” Canadiens fans are trusting that Guy will get back to work tomorrow and hoping that he doesn’t get an opportunity to improve his golf score next week.

  17. #17 Tony from NB says:
    May 2, 2008 at 10:37 am

    216 DieHard Habs Fan

    Wonderful post!!!!

    Carbo is thinking like a player and not like a coach, which is a concern especially during the grind of the NHL playoffs.

    However, Gainey should be looking in the mirror as well…what was he doing letting Huet go for a bag of pucks (5th rounder)??? Not a wise decision considering Price has no playoff experience, and is only 20.

    I agree with McGuire…this decision might have a lasting effect on the kid.

    Speaking of McGuire…..I believe the Habs may be looking for a coach in the off season…McGuire has the experience, can deal with the media, has a nasty streak, speaks french…and is a local boy.

    Tony ( says…..Carbo could very well be the first Jack Adams winner in the same year he gets fired…think about it!!! )

  18. #18 DieHard Habs Fan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Cool…..

    NON-PLAYERS make better coaches in the NHL Bar none………….

  19. #19 BarrieHabFan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 11:43 am

    wow, I can’t beleive the posts here.
    Sure, Montreal is most likely out of the playoffs. They could still string together three straight wins. They have the talent. But it is unlikely.
    But did the majority of us actually think this was a cup year for Montreal? It’s a fun idea to entertain, but was it really a serious thought that they were the best overall? Granted, they should be able to get by Philly, but let’s look at the facts. Montreal is a very young team with little playoff experience, two rookie goalies, a playoff inexperienced coach and a still in their re-building phase (altough nearing completion). This year is just a stepping stone in the process back to serious contention. Bitching about the performance of young players right now is ridiculous. Most have never seen the playoffs before. Whatever happens this year they will learn a great deal and will be much better next year. This team IS ahead of schedule and I think many of us have forgotten that. They were an absolutely crappy team a few years ago and have come a long way toward being a serious contender again. It takes time, but the time is almost here. A poor time to give up on the habs.
    Carbonneau is a great coach. He worked with an inexperienced team all year that was expected to fight for the last playoff spot and got them to finish first in the conference. Basically, he got them to overachieve. He deserves a great deal of credit. Certianly, he has made mistakes, but he is the man to lead this team forward to their true goal of a cup in 2009, or 2010.
    Ryder does not deserve to play for this team. He may play in the next game only to mix things up, but all of you guys who suggest he has been mishandled this year by Carbo need to be forced to watch all the games Ryder was in this past year paying special attention to everything he does on the ice. After that, you’d probably want to shoot him yourself. While he is capable of 30 goals and may well repeat that success again in the NHL, he is an absolutely horrible defensive liability and when not scoring contributes next to nothing.
    Price has played well. Who the hell looks at his last game and blames him for the loss. Seriously, you guys all need to play net sometime, if not just watch other NHL goalies and the type of shots that they let in. Two goals that were complete screens and were next to impossible to save. Lucky goals for Philly and many of you give up on Price! Goal scoring is the let down this series, not Price. He should be back in for game 5. A phenominal talent that will learn from this and lead this team to some great victories. And while I like Huet I seriously doubt that he would have faired any better in these playoffs. It was a good trade, Montreal has a great goalie, let’s support what is the best young goalie in the game.
    Let’s get serious, this is a team with a great future. Let’s celebrate the fact that the habs have so many talented young players that will carry the team to great successes in the near future. Trashing a team that is ahead of schedule in the rebuilding process is ridiculous.

  20. #20 habs4life says:
    May 2, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Price IN for Game 5.

    Let’s watch Price Carey the rest of games.

  21. #21 DieHard Habs Fan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    “And while I like Huet I seriously doubt that he would have faired any better in these playoffs”. Huet lost to PHILLY in round one, the same team we are playing now! HELLO!!!

    Ryder does not belong on this team?

    Did you say that Kovalev did not belong to this team last year as well when he SUCKED WIND? You probally did along with 99.9% of the Montreal Fans last year. I bet you were singing he praises through out the Regualr season……

  22. #22 habs4life says:
    May 2, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    It’s time to go to the lineups of winning Eastern Conference:

    Kovalev – A. Kostitsyn – Plekanec;
    Koive – Higgins – S. Kostitsyn;
    Smoke – Begin – Kostopoulos
    4th line: enough choices

    Goalie: Carey Price

  23. #23 NShabfan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I thought we got a 2nd roundr for Huet?

  24. #24 NShabfan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Remember Mike Ribeiro?What did we get for him???Janne”I cant skate in the NHL anymore”Ninimaa?That is 1 trade maybe GAINEY would like to rethink.

  25. #25 Jack says:
    May 2, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Joseph,

    refering to your blog 204, you write:

    “Jack, you’ve no idea what you’re saying here. I currently live in the middle of Leafs nation and I can assure you that the Leafs have as bandwagon jumpers as any other team. And as for the sellouts, that’s largely to do with the fact that corporations own more than half the seats. Corporations affiliated with the Leafs. You want an analogy? Loyal consumers. When’s the last time that consumers actually did anything about ever increasing gas prices?

    Further, Habs fans are emotional because they have high expectations, whereas Leafs fans have become much more accustomed to disappointment, and thus tend to settle for the product on the ice at the ACC regardless of its quality.

    I’m speaking from experience. But perhaps you had the luxury of brushing up against some more loyal Leafs fans. Either way, the comparison is a flawed one.”

    Are you guys illiterate up there what dont you understand about my blog?…you are way off in left field here and contradicting yourself with your statement bud.

    1st. All I’m saying is to be loyal to your team.

    2nd. I used Toronto Maple Leafs as an example…just as an example, and it sounds like it’s a pretty touchy topic up there.

    3rd. You said half of the seats are corporate owned, having said that, half of the stadium are Leaf fans and the other half are not or empty. I know the later is not true since the stadium is always full. So who in their right mind would go watch a team they don’t support?…I wouldn’t!…or maybe Toronto has enough fans to support the rest of all the teams in the NHL to fill the other half of the arena…NOT! So let’s assume you are accurate in saying corporations affiliated with the Leafs own half the seats in the arena…these seats must cost them a pretty penny, so why would anyone invest so much money(specialy a successful corporation with business smarts)if there is no demand(loyal fan base)?

    4th. You then go on to say the Leaf fans are bandwagon jumpers followed by them being accustomed to a lower quality hockey game at their arena. First of all, the concept of jumping on and off the bandwagon directly refers to a team doing well and doing poorly and their fans supporting that team or not respectively. So if the Leafs are always performing poorly as you insinuated – “Leaf fans have become accustomed to disappointment…and settle for that quality”…how does thst analogy fit?

    5th. Speaking of analogies, what the hell do increasing gas prices have to do with loyal fans? Gas, regardless of it’s price, is an energy source that is a necessity in peoples everyday life to suvive(Transport of goods and services, heating, personal transport such as bus, train, plane, cars…etc.), whereas going to see a hockey game is recreational. So who’s comparison is flawed here?

    Anyhow, let’s get down to more important issues here…Go Flyers Go!

  26. #26 BarrieHabFan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    DieHard, do I actually have to micro explain everything in a post for you to get it? If needed, here it is: I doubt Huet would have fared any better in this playoff series with Philly if he were still playing for Montreal right now.
    And check my posts if you want to attack. If I think I was wrong about a player, I’ll say it. I have posted many times about the need to move Koivu and just recently posted I was wrong. But Kovalev and Ryder are very hard to compare. The talent level of Kovalev is miles above that of Ryder at his best. And even at his best he is a defensive liability. Kovalev can play competent defensive hockey when need be. Ryder could very well be put in the next game and get 3 goals. He still would be a player who had one great game and 25 horrible ones. Not worth keeping.
    My intent is not to attack any one individual poster, or put down individual players. I just think this team has had unrealistic expectations placed on it and the reaction to losing by the “fans” has been somewhat over the edge. I can understand some knee-jerk reactions, but in the end everyone needs to realize that this team is ahead in the rebuilding process and is in a great position to seriously challenge in the future. Many of us though they would challenge now, and it is dissapointing if they can’t, but ultimately this year was a great step and was an exciting development phase for the habs. And it’s not over yet, miracles do happen!

  27. You know Jack I could understand your point if your Flyer’s team played like they were winners with a future in the finnals,but truth be told ,your team is overachieving and are a really unentertaining , unimaginitive and lucky …that’s it that’s all. And in the final sum of things The Habs have a team you can build with and refine”lot’s of talent there, just need a little more size , character and experience” and have a boat load of up and comers to fill the roster for years to come.And honestly you can’t say that about you team”slow,basic, uninspiring , unimaginative and will need TON OF IMPROVEMENT in the new N.H.L.IF THEY ARE TO COMPETE WITH THE LIKES OF Pittsburgh and Detroit IN YHE YEARS TO FOLLOW !!!That’s the Real Picture boy,suck on it for awhile,lol

  28. #28 Dancan81 says:
    May 2, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Okay Habs fans, religious or not this prayer must be said at 7PM Saturday.

    Our Legends, who art at the Bell centre
    Hockey be thy name
    Thy will be done, the Cup will be won
    On the ice as it is in the stands
    Give us this day our hockey sticks
    And forgive us our penalties
    As we forgive those who cross check against us
    Lead us not into elimination
    But deliver us to victory
    For thine is the penalty kill, the power play
    And all is NOS GLORIEUX now and forever

    In the name of the fans,
    Lord Stanley and the HOLY HABS

    Amen

    Pass this prayer along so that we can all pray tonight from coast to
    coast

    GO HABS GO

  29. I agree with you Xtrahabsfan, Philly has gotten really lucky. But Montreal has to get the 1st goa no matter what!!!

  30. #30 habs4life says:
    May 2, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    228 Dancan81, holy job.

  31. #31 DieHard Habs Fan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Ryder has been here 4 years and has had one bad year. You have to cut him some slack. IF Gainey had not messed with Ryder’s mind and asked him to keep his
    +/-’s down Ryder would have had 30 goals again this year. Blame Gainey not Ryder.

    No one can disagree with that. Kovy had had a couple or three good games so far in the Playoffs. The rest of the time he has been invisable trying to stick handle an 80% of the time losing the puck.

    The chips are down on Sat. Will Kovy and Co. step up?

  32. #32 RAY SAM says:
    May 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    biron hates the habs the habs could surely have used him a native QUEBECOIS

  33. #33 RAY SAM says:
    May 2, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    PHILLY IN 6 BIRON IS THE MAN

  34. #34 habsfansrsoft says:
    May 2, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Flyers were dead last in the NHL last year, so if any team was suppose to have a rebuilding year, it was the Flyers, not the Canadiens. Excuses just keep pooring in. N there like A$$holes, they all stink.

  35. #35 Jack says:
    May 2, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    To 227 Xtrahabsfan

    Am I missing something here? Should I be writting in French?(If it would help you guys I would…but don’t know French)

    Xtrahabsfan, what the hell does your blog have anything to do with what I’m talking about, you guys have to quit smoking that oregano up there dude!

    Anyhow, to respond to your blog(another topic what so ever…if you haven’t clued in yet), it is a well written point and you could just as well be right, maybe, maybe not. However, what the future holds for the Flyers is anyones quess, they may rebuild they may not, there might be changes behind the bench there might not. Things that only the management and owners know, heck even management changes may occur….who knows…they may win or they may loose…nobody knows. But I know one thing for sure is no matter what happens to my team, they are my team, always was and always will and I will never bash or bail on them them like some of the Hab fans do to their team when they loose.

    P.S. Go Flyers Go!

  36. #36 Jack says:
    May 2, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    To 228 Dancan81

    Now Habs have to resort to prayers to win a hockey game?…what happened to play better hockey and the better team prevails?

  37. #37 future habs fan says:
    May 2, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    I guarantee that if the flers were losing this series, their fans would be opff the bandwagon too. That’s jusat human nature. The chances of coming back from a 3-1 deficit, aren’t great. Just look at the statistics of that happening. Nobody on this blog is right or wrong. It’s called differences of opinion. You all need to cool down, and be realistic. If the habs don’t get it done this year,(and we weren’t even supposed to be in the playoffs) next year will be the year. Gainey now knows(after watching the playoffs), which players have the heart and grit to play in the playoffs. The ones that don’t will be gone come training camp. I strongly forsee Plekanec being traded along with Streit, and hopefully Latendresse spending time in Hamilton, learning how to become an NHL player, which he now isn’t. Changes will be made up front and on the blueline. For example, Stewart will make the team and replace Smolinski, Begin is probably gone as well, Breezer is gone, and maybe Bouillon, for Valentenko. Chipchurra might be up permanently, and maybe one of our prospects is ready for the jump to thge NHL. I am actually excited about the changes for next year. As well, finishing in 1st place, could make it easier to attract UFA’s. After all, players would prefer to come to a winning team with a bright future, rather than a team like the leafs, who never make the playoffs, and a bleak future. So let’s focus on the future, because next year is ours!

  38. #38 Softouch says:
    May 2, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Poster # 219 has hit the nail on the head …

  39. #39 Joseph says:
    May 2, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Jack:

    Let’s simplify this, shall we. Habs fans don’t need to emulate anyone. They are as passionate as they come. Hence the knee jerk reactions following a disappointing loss. And I have witnessed the very same behaviour with Leafs fans, Bruins fans, Penguins fans, Flyers fans, Sharks fans, Oilers fans, and so on.

    That being said, you should know better than to generalize based on the reactions of a minority of fans on a blog.

    As to the rising gas prices analogy, it isn’t really relevant here, but I used it to make the point that consumers are owned by those that dictate the environment in which they live. It makes no difference whether we’re discussing consumers of entertainment or consumers of a forced necessity. MLSE owns Leafs fans just as oil companies own those who are fans of their cars. They set the terms, and in the case of MLSE, their terms revolve on their ability to make money off of the gullibility that Ballard marketed and sold to that fanbase long ago.

    I am not suggesting that MLSE is an evil organization that conspires to deny Leafs fans a winner, but rather that MLSE feels absolutely no pressure to put a quality product on the ice for as long as they can continue to sell out every year.

  40. #40 Joseph says:
    May 2, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    # 237 Jack
    Posted on May 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′.

    To 228 Dancan81

    Now Habs have to resort to prayers to win a hockey game?…what happened to play better hockey and the better team prevails?

    I’m pretty sure that that was a joke.

  41. #41 Joseph says:
    May 2, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    # 210 habsfansrsoft
    Posted on May 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′.

    Frogs,
    Phantoms won the AHL wat three times in the past ten years, so theres one team that hasn’t choked. N you can talk about your 24 stanley cups, but the last won was 15 years ago, distant memories my friend close the yearbook.

    Habs fans have every right to be proud of those 24 Stanley Cups, and to celebrate the most successful franchise in sports, which cannot be argued.

    Also, 1993 wasn’t all that long ago, relatively speaking. Just 15 years. 1975, by comparison, was 33 years ago.

    Joseph,
    Crosby is great, n so is malkin, n every other player u named. n there walking through teams right now. but wat happens when they go down 1-0 in a game? or 2-1 in a series? can they fight through adversity. Champions can, n so far the Flyers have fought through every opsticle put in there path. Whether it be the ten game loosing streak down the stretch, giving up a 3-1 series lead to the caps, a 2-0 lead in game seven to the caps, getting screwed out of game 1, giving up a 3-0 lead, a 2-0 lead. N thats the sign of a champ. I’ll take any one of my Flyers over the pretty boys u named cuz they have the hearts of champions. n im sorry if i was rude, but to crown them champs when they havn’t overcome an obsticle yet is ridiculous. n believe me if u slapped my pop, his 6-5 a$$ would squash u worse than hatcher to your boy boullion, the man is mean.

    Apology accepted. And the slap your parents bit was a figure of speech to prove my point, not a threat. But that doesn’t make it any better, so I offer a sincere apology to you as well.

    That said, what makes you assume that I’m not 6’3 and thoroughly trained in combat?

    Anyway, more importantly, ‘heart’ is something that is only required in small doses because it’s powerful and infects an entire team. Roberts has a lot of it. As does Laraque. As does Malone. These guys are warriors and their teammates have been emulating their work ethic and their passion, so don’t sell them short.

    As to the notion that the Penguins haven’t yet faced adversity in these playoffs, I would have to disagree. The Rangers were up 3-0 in Game 1 of their series and the Penguins stormed back and defeated them. In addition, the Penguins suffered a loss last night (which was far more good for them than bad) and will have to bounce back in their next game to close the deal. I belive that they will do just that.

    I’m noticing the bias in your take on your team. Giving up a 3-1 series lead to the Caps? That sounds familiar, doesn’t it? In fact, it sounds a lot like Habs fans stating that the Habs gave the Flyers a 3-1 series lead
    when they failed to capitalize on their many scoring chances… or when their goaltenders allowed soft goals. Screwed out of Game 1? Remind me again how the Flyers got to the secone round. A Caps fan would no doubt tell you that his Caps got screwed when Huet was intereferd with on the second Flyers goal, or when the Flyers were awarded a seemingly arbitary powerplay in OT after the refs had retired their whistles for almost two full periods. And the Flyers ‘gave up’ all those leads, right? That had nothing at all to do with the likes of Ovechkin, Backstrom and Semin, no.

    Bias indeed. But welcome to fanhood! We all have it because we all adore and support our respective teams. So you might consider cutting Habs fans some slack.

  42. Jack,why do you ,who follow a team that has only two Stanley cup victories try to tell the Montreal Canadiens fan base,who have 24 cups in there very successful history how to act or behave are you perhaps dyslectic or just stupid,lol,and I’ll smoke to that last remark some of British Colombia’s finest,ooohhhhh yyyeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. #43 Senet 1 says:
    May 2, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    176 DieHard Habs Fan
    Posted on May 1st, 2008 at 8:24 am. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′

    Your nick name is diehard habs fan, if that is true regardless of what you think about the habs players you have to hope that things can be turned around. I will admit it does not look good right now but then again it didn’t look good when Boston came back and forced a 7th game. Any back in 04 it didn’t look good when we were down 3-1 to Boston. The only thing that looks good here is that we are playing well but not scoring. If we can figure out a way to put the puck in the net we can still win this series.

  44. #44 Senet 1 says:
    May 2, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    187 Jack
    Posted on May 1st, 2008 at 12:25 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′

    EXACTLY. WELL SAID.

  45. #45 habsfansrsoft says:
    May 2, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Joseph,
    You make some good points, n after this im gonna have to stop talking about Pit, because i don’t want to jinx the Flyers who are far from playing the penguins still. but a nice comparison would be let’s say the Patriots, who had far more talent than the Giants, i think we can all agree on that. But watching the super bowl something other than skill took over the giants team, eli manning escaping the patriots pass rush ( which was a skill Eli had yet to show, n probably won’t show again) to make a pass to Tyree, who made an accrobatic catch, that seemed almost impossible. That’s a play that wasn’t skill,but sheer determination and hart, they just wanted it more. N the way the Flyers are playing right now, is with determination n hart. I love it, n i’ll tell u wat, the Penguins are more worried about the Flyers right now, than the Flyers r of the penguins. The penguins are built for a championship team, pickin up Hossa. The Flyers were dead last a year ago, n everything there doing right now is just extra, they have nothing too loose, n everything to gain. Pitt will be picked to win the series, as was everyteam the Flyers have faced in the playoffs. Pitt may sweep them, or they may win in 7, but the Flyers will give everything they have, every shift they touch the ice, that i can guarantee.

  46. #46 Joseph says:
    May 2, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    I’m afraid that the Habs’ current problems run deeper than a failure to execute on the ice. The frightening reality is that they may be confronted with an internal problem known as Senatoritis. Senatoritis strikes quickly and without warning. It can turn a healthy organization in to an ill one in mere days. Its symptoms include a lack of passion, intensity and desire to win. Its cause is believed to be a monumentally bad coaching decision that trickles down through an organization and infects its players like a cancer. Although curable, Senatoritis usually requires damage control and extensive therapy to overcome, and is not often resolved within two days time.

  47. #47 Senet 1 says:
    May 2, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    216 DieHard Habs Fan

    However, Gainey should be looking in the mirror as well…what was he doing letting Huet go for a bag of pucks (5th rounder)??? Not a wise decision considering Price has no playoff experience, and is only 20.

  48. #48 Senet 1 says:
    May 2, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    247 Senet 1
    Starting over:

    Posted on May 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pm. About ‘Habs / Flyers: Game 4′.

    216 DieHard Habs Fan

    However, Gainey should be looking in the mirror as well…what was he doing letting Huet go for a bag of pucks (5th rounder)??? Not a wise decision considering Price has no playoff experience, and is only 20.

    This is the last time I am going to say this, Huet was not going to help this team and our yound goaltenders need to get the Playoff experience this year if next year is going to be our year. We did not get a 5th rounder we got a 2nd rounder and if Huet was so good why didn’t more teams want him. Gainey got down to the cunch time and either had to say trade or lose him as a UFA. Now why unearth would you not take a 2nd found draft pick rather than nothing??????????

  49. #49 Joseph says:
    May 2, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    246 habsfansrsoft:

    I agree with you that the Penguins are surrounded by expectations while the Flyers are allowed to play the underdog role. That’s true. And that could possibly be the crack in the Penguins’ armour. But I also think that the probablity of it happening is very low. Those players had the luxury getting a huge playoff disappointment under their belts last season when they fell to a team that they just got revenge against in the first round of these playoffs. In addition, they are mentally strong and focussed

    So it’s possible, but the Flyers will have to do a lot more right than wrong if they are to plant a much needed seed of doubt in the Penguins’ minds.

    The Superbowl comparison is interesting, but if the Giants had to beat the Patriots in a seven-game series, I think that they would fall tragically short of accomplishing that task.

    Having said that, I might just be in the Flyers corner next round as I prefer the underdog when my Habs are out of the picture.

    On a related note, this is precisely why it’s so frustrating to be a Habs fan right now. If the Flyers give their all and come up short against the Penguins, then the fans can at least be proud of their effort, their run. The same, however, cannot be said of the Habs, who seem to have forgotten how to play the brand of hockey that won them the conference. The league’s #1 offense and #1 powerplay appears to have gotten an early start on the golf course. And many fans, despite the fact that this has been a surprising season in many regards, will likely see it as a huge disappointment given all that’s transpired in these playoffs.

  50. #50 Senet 1 says:
    May 2, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Hey Joseph: Senatoritis, I hope it is not infectious. Good point though. I personally think that too many people are reading too much into this Carey Price thing. The coach made a decision was it a right or wrong decision, well based on the loss it was wrong, having said that if Price was in the net and we lost many would have said why did he not make a goal tender change?

    Price has to show he is an NHL goaltender and I personally think he will. If he plays saturday night I expect him to be great he is a pretty cool customer. I hope that Carbo shows the confidence in him for the next game, if he does then Price will be okay. If he doesn’t then we may have a problem, but then again we may have all summer to get over it.

    Anyway her is hoping that Senatoritis goes back up stream to Ottawa.

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