J.P Dumont to sign with Nashville Predators
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The speculation is finally over and as expected J.P Dumont will not be a Montreal Canadien.
Le Journal de Montreal and RDS report that Dumont has signed a deal with the Nashville Predators. A team that wasn’t high on most peoples radar screen since Nashville is nowhere close to Quebec or the Northeast where Dumont apparently wanted to start his family.
The terms
are undisclosed[update: $4.5 Million/2 years] as of now but probably include the best financial offer Dumont received as it was rumored he had offers from strong teams like Detroit and Ottawa.Money aside, Dumont will be a good fit in a speedy and dangerous Nashville offence which now includes Jason Arnott, Steve Sullivan, Paul Kariya, Josef Vasicek and David Legwand.
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- Senet1 : It will be interesting to see how Sutter does because to me the Oilers are not his kind of team, but then again neither were the Flames.
- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
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August 29, 2006 at 11:56 am
Sorry, this doesn’t have anything to do with Dumont, other than good luck and I hope this doesn’t come back to haunt the Habs. THis is for the person running this site. I tried four times to log so I can chat with fellow hab fans. I filled in the areas (e.g. name, email addie, etc…) and I was told to expect an email with a password. So, what’s up? I didn’t receive anything. Four time!?!??!!!?? Look into this please!!!
August 29, 2006 at 12:23 pm
As I have posted before, hockey market or not, Nashville is a great town to see a game: arena is in the middle of the bar/club district, walking distance to hotels, never snows, etc. Have consistently put an entertaining product on the ice. Beats the hell out of all other Southern American nhl towns.
August 29, 2006 at 12:41 pm
…and they are starting to put together a serious team.
August 29, 2006 at 12:53 pm
Rumors says he will get 2 millions first year and 2.5 second year.
Was it really hard in montreal to offer the same thing ? Was it possible to make a 2million marge for a guy like this for the canadian ? Well, either Gainey wasn’t able to, or he didn’t want him or tought he needed some money aside to make trade during the season to get better players and exchange some.
Well, Nashville lost a really good goalie this off-season but they have a serious team on attack, it should be great for Dumont.
August 29, 2006 at 1:41 pm
Word is 4.5M for two years. He did well finding a good salary range with ateam where he can play on the top two lines.
With Montreal I think he was headed towards the third, and his talent and salary demand would not have been in sinc with that type of role. It’s unfortunate.
Montreals top 4 wingers as it stands are Ryder, Higgins, Kovalev and Samsonov. How would Dumont unseat any of those. Had Samsonov not been signed, the Habs would have jumped on J.P. as if he were a gift from heaven.
As things stand, I would not have wanted Higging’ progression slowed due to the signing of Dumont. It would have created some turbulance on the team, but would have been ideal with any injury scenario.
It’s all a question of depth versus capping out. Possibly Gainey has other avenues we will not hear about until they are done deals. Who knows?
Last week in the Journal de Montreal, Bertrand Raymond wrote his usual honest take on the Dumont situation. It was quite revealing and surprisingly pointed. I enjoyed it so much, I transcribed it into english and posted it on my blog. Here the link if you care to check it out. It’s called “Bob Gainey’s Hot Potato”.
http://wwwrealitycheckeyesontheprize.blogspot.com/2006/08/bob-gaineys-hot-potato.html
August 29, 2006 at 4:20 pm
With all due respect to Habs fans, I think it’s highly probable that J.P. made the choice for the Preds because he, like a lot of others believe this is a team making a serious move for Cup contention.
In addition to newcomers Arnott, Vasicek, and now Dumont to join Kariya, Sullivan and Erat, the Preds have possibly the next Ovetchkin-type young Russian winger in rookie Alexander Radulov, who absolutely tore up the QMJHL last season, his second in North America, scoring 152 points for the Québec Remparts.
Even if Radulov needs an extra season in the minors (AHL/Milwaukee), things really look good for the Preds, if not in 06-07, then certainly for the following season.
Can’t help but be excited to be a hockey fan in Nashville.
Best of luck to the Habs this season!
And BTW, J-Nic said the Preds lost a goalie? Who does he mean? Although he did miss the playoffs with a somewhat mysterious blood disease, #1 goalie Tomas Vokoun has now been given a clean bill of health and will be ready to start the season. His backup, Chris Mason was re-signed, and Pecca Renne remains their top prospect in goal at Milwaukee, so what has changed?
August 29, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Higgins could have easily been put between Kovalev and Samsonov, as he is a natural centre.
Now we’re stuck with Bonk and Ribeiro. Chipchura could have replaced Bonk no problem.
Not-so-great move Bobby, keeping those 2 guys around is inexcusable.
August 29, 2006 at 5:53 pm
AJ in Smashville : “nd BTW, J-Nic said the Preds lost a goalie? Who does he mean? Although he did miss the playoffs with a somewhat mysterious blood disease, #1 goalie Tomas Vokoun has now been given a clean bill of health and will be ready to start the season. His backup, Chris Mason was re-signed, and Pecca Renne remains their top prospect in goal at Milwaukee, so what has changed?”
Sorry I tought Vokoun future was uncertain, but looks like I was wrong.
stevejur : If you put Higgins with Kovalev and Samsonov, where will Koivu play ?
I am sure Bob tryed to exchange Bonk, but who wnat a guy like him, with his salary, no one. For Ribeiro, I don’t know, he didn’t got a great year, his value dropped from last summer and he is not so well know in the league. So we are stuck with Bonk until the end of the season, Bob could have bought his contract but that would have effect on the Canadian salary cap, but leave some place for rookies, and may be Bonk refused cause he know his carreer will probably end after this season.
For Ribeiro, I don’t know what will happens with him. Unless he play good this year and get exchange, or he play really really good and stay with the habs we won’t see him again.
I think Bob did great for some players, but giving a BIG contract to Koivu before the end of the year and signing some sort of “useless” players with small contract at the beginning of the summer wasn’t really good IMO. These players are easy to get, and it’s not like if other teams really wanted them, they won’t play much in a season either and the money there would have been avaible for other players or exchanges in the futur.
August 29, 2006 at 6:13 pm
Anyway you look at it, this is another year where the Habs will lose out to the larger now grinding style of hockey. With Kovalev only working hard when the team does, Montreal does not have a leader.
Nor do they have size up front to rush the other goalie or, size to beat the larger, dirty style of hockey in the new NHL. None the less I look forward to watching Samsonev getting penalties at the worst time, between Samsonev and Souray, Montreal is headed towards a lacklustre season…..
August 29, 2006 at 6:18 pm
Where do you get the ‘dirty style of hockey in the new NHL’ ? The rule changes and penalty enforcement have changed it to the exact opposite of what you just said. Where speed and skilled gets to showcase itself and slow ‘dirty’ large defenders are losing their jobs.
August 29, 2006 at 9:21 pm
AJ in Smashville who cares about the Preds,,,,I really don’t give a damn.This is the Habs my friend and ANTHING is possible.”dirty style of hockey in the new NHL” No leadership.We get some weird ,ignorant comments on this site from time to time:=)
August 29, 2006 at 9:28 pm
We never had a chance! our team really stinks! We aren’t going to make the playoffs with a bunch of over priced, under achiever, lazy european players! also , we aren’t tough enough(especially with all our little midgets)!Gainey really blew it! We desperately needed another center; instead Gainey signs the most irritable, cocky, under achiever, over priced midgert-RIBEIRO! HE STINKS!Gainey, it’s time for you to relearn what it takes to make a good team! Koivu is one of the most over priced under producing players! When has he ever scored at least 30 goals?-NEVER,pathetic! Bonk-RIDICULOUS! How much does he make per season-2 or 3 million? for what-GARBAGE! Huet-a flash in the pan! Our team is going no where! I love what Gretzky did! He is really trying to make his team better! too bad Gainey has a bunch of lazy players!
August 29, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Too bad that the guys Gretzky went out and got are all really slow, injury prone, or over the hill slapshot.
Gainey’s building this team on speed, not size, and that’s what win’s in the new NHL.
Is Ribeiro underacheiving? yes, and he’ll probably be gone after this season and guess what no one else wants him, Bonk has turned out to be a solid number four centre and since no one else want him at his price were stuck with him. And Koivu’s the guy who set’s up the goals, not scoring them. Who do you think assisted on all on Higgins and Ryder’s goals?
This team will be a cup contender in 1-2 years. And if Huet does turn out to be a flash in the pan, why do you think they kept Aebishcer?
Looking at the options they had to deal with in the offseason with the salary cap which a lot of people seem to be forgetting, and the fact that Gainey is being smart by leaving 3 million in room so he can make additions during the season, he’s done a good job.
August 29, 2006 at 11:00 pm
I agree with you 100% habs#1
August 29, 2006 at 11:57 pm
I agree with Habs#1
But I think Gainey got stuck in the goalie part. He wanted to keep Aebischer for security but was hopping to exchange him if Huet play well, but every team have good goalies now and some others are still avaible so he will probably stay here all season, then we gonna lose him for nothing in return
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I think no one tought, including us and Gainey, that all teams would have their goalies when the season start. May be it will change during the season !?
August 30, 2006 at 2:50 am
on the same note as Habs#1 said: i’m glad that gainey didn’t way overpay some UFA just because of who the are (example Chara).
as for the huet/aebischer situation, i for one have no clue what will happen. if huet continues to perform at the .930 level the abby is gone to some team that their golie chocked/got injured and we’ll get something decent for him. if it truns out that huet was lucky then he’ll be sent away to a non-playoff team for something half-assed.
August 30, 2006 at 7:12 am
The goaltender situation is a nice play by Gainey. If Aebishcer plays well we gain ( trade bait for someone we may need in the playoffs??) and it is great protection if Huet faulters.A lot of people forget Aebishcer is a GOOD goaltender.I believe this season he will show his stuff.If he doesn’t break out the way he should a nice backup.
August 30, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Like many folks, I wasn’t high on Ribeiro last season. I was more impressed by his 2004 season. Last year he developed some annoying tendencies and they hurt his play. What people seem to forget is that this guy is still quite young and he possesses a ton of hockey smarts. Look over his junior stats again. He needs some big time maturity. Once he grows up and learns what it is to be a pro, he will develope into a much more complete player.
It comes back to what Gainey said when he initially took over the team. That it is simpler to “grow” the players within an organization than to go out shopping for what other teams are unwilling to part with. It is also cheaper!
In an organization that will become a winner, you must teach as well as coach. You must guide and groom players as they come up.
With the change in the NHL’s game last season, many including myself, pegged Ribeiro for a breakout year. I’m sure he did himself. He seems to be very disappointed in his season and I don’t think he saw eye to eye with Julien. If he is a proud player, an honest man, and a competitor, he will step it up. He has Kovalev and Samsonov as wingers – a dream. As he is unselfish with the puck, they should succeed.
Indeed, it will be his final chance. He must mature!