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- Senet1 : It will be interesting to see how Sutter does because to me the Oilers are not his kind of team, but then again neither were the Flames.
- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
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February 20, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I’ve spent most of my morning thus far trying to find real answers in the mountains of garbage that are being heaped on the Canadiens since last night. The truth will come out eventually, and if any of the players have done something wrong then so be it. My only thought here is this: I’m not so far removed from my “young days” that I don’t remember some crazy things happening around me. I’ve been present at a shooting, I’ve been around drugs and “gangsters”. People that I went to highschool with, and could easily be connected to have gone to prison for reprehensible crimes. I’ve spent enough time in bars to know that organized crime is rampant, and that regardless of who you are – trouble can and will find you. I don’t know the Kostitsyns, but I do know a whole lot of good people that have been drawn into bad circumstances because of poor choices (either made themselves or by associates). There literally is not enough information to make an informed opinion about this latest story from La Presse. I only hope that if the Kostitsyn bros have been caught up in a mess like so many other people I’ve known, that the Habs organization supports them.
February 20, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Re: actual hockey matters.
I’ll admit I do scour the rumor boards for the latest info on possible trades. Even though only 1 in 20 ever seems to hit the nail on the head, there have been mounting rumors from many sources that MON-TAMPA Vinny talks are very close to an actual deal. The crazyest thing I’ve heard is that the pieces rumored to be leaving are Higgins, Gorges and Subban. I think there would probably need to be one more piece to make this possible for money, but if this is the case I sincerely hope that Gainey isn’t sitting on his hands for this one. Only time will tell if the recent developments surrounding the Kostitsyns, Kovalev and Hamrlik have affected anything.
February 20, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I was thinking the other day that the Canadiens may be willing to offer Higgins, Gorges, S. Kostitsyn and…wait for it…Markov. I believe Tampa had demanded Markov.
February 20, 2009 at 4:29 pm
It seems unlikely that Gainey would give up 3 defensemen, which is why when I saw the list that Gainey mentioned in the Globe and Mail article (Higgins, Gorges and Subban) it seemed weird unless Tampa was going to send one back our way. Tampa IS banged up on defense right now as I’m pretty sure both Mezaros and Ranger are out with shoulder injuries requiring surgery, but I don’t think that Montreal’s defensive depth could withstand losing 3 potential impact defensemen. That being said, I don’t know there is a reasonable deal out there that I wouldn’t make for Lecavalier. The only player I really want them to hang on to is Andrei because I think him and Lecavalier together would be incredible. If I’m Gainey I make the deal and then focus on the free agents for next season.
February 20, 2009 at 5:30 pm
As I’ve stated, I would fully support the parting of Markov and several others to bring back in return the centreman that this team desperately needs. After all, this current team isn’t going to win anything anyway, so might as well begin shaping a championship team. Acquiring Lecavalier alone would be something worthy of a centennial season celebration.
February 20, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Good point, Joseph. The return of the prodigal son. I agree. Lecavalier and no cup is better than no Lecavalier and not cup, which is the direction that this team is absolutely 100% on this year.
In NHL09 I trade Lang and a first round pick for Lecavalier…
February 20, 2009 at 6:56 pm
haha.. I somehow worked Lecavalier, Nash and Ed Jovonovski into the lineup without doing too much damage. Of course, in my season Price’s save percentage is higher than .750.
February 20, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Ahh, NHL09. If only those ridiculous trades were somehow doable in reality.
But yes. Whatever it takes to get Lecavalier. We can then reminisce how the Habs brought Vinnie home in 2009, their centennial year. And of course we couldn’t necessarily count them out this season if Gainey manages it with minimal damage.
February 20, 2009 at 8:05 pm
If in fact those players were the ones who were traded (Markov, Higgins, Gorges, Subban + draft picks – I’m assuming) our lineup would look pretty good on forward. Who wouldn’t want to see a line of Lecavalier with Andre and Kovy? The only problem would be our lack of depth on the blueline. You never know though, a deal could be made (ala the Schneider deal) to pick up another FA. At some point we would need a young defensemen to move in to fill the void cheaply as Cap problems would be upon us big time.
February 21, 2009 at 1:36 pm
While I am like the rest of you I would like to see us pick up Vinny, I hate to see your defence depleted. So we definitely would have to go out and get another defenceman. Personally I have not given up on this season. We have the team to still go far into the playoffs they just have to start playing like we know they can. That starts in the nets and goes all the way out. This team is just needs to turn the corner and start playing better hockey. We have the personel to do that and as I said earlier in the week there had to be somethng going on behind the scenes that we were not aware of and maybe it came out this week. If kovy comes back ready to play and it sounds like he is very positive and if we can pick up Vinny without totally destroying our defence the we still have a shot. Maybe not the cup but at least one or two rounds. I believe the next 10 games will tell the story.
February 21, 2009 at 2:00 pm
hmmm……habsblog.com NHL09 league?