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I thought I would post a place for discussion as we turn the 09/10 season over to the archives in preparation for 10/11. Things will fall into place over the course of the summer, and there will be no shortage of opinions on who stays, who goes, and for how much. What would you do? Lets hear about it.
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- Senet1 : It will be interesting to see how Sutter does because to me the Oilers are not his kind of team, but then again neither were the Flames.
- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
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July 23, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Here are the results from the mid-playoff poll:
Who would you choose as Captain of this Habs team? Hal Gill
12% Josh Gorges
27% Andrei Markov
4% Scott Gomez
4% Brian Gionta
36% Michael Cammalleri
15% Created on May 13, 2010
Closed
Total Votes: 1,690
July 23, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Here are the results from the mid-playoff poll:
Last post was misleadning due to the cut and paste this is the actual poll.
Who would you choose as Captain of this Habs team?
Hal Gill 12%
Josh Gorges 27%
Andrei Markov 4%
Scott Gomez 4%
Brian Gionta 36%
Michael Cammalleri 15%
Created on May 13, 2010
Closed
Total Votes: 1,690
July 27, 2010 at 12:32 pm
So its looking more and more like our opening day roster is already completed – barring a major shake-up at the goalie position. My speculatory senses tell me the lines will be:
Gomez – Gionta – Pouliot
Plekanec – Cammalleri – Kostitsyn
Eller – Moen – Lapierre
Boyd – Pyatt – Darche
Hamrlik – Subban
O’Byrne – Spacek
Gorges – Gill
Carey
Clearly Markov will move into the top D pair once he is back which will change the dynamic of the lines on defense. Most importantly it will allow the geezers (Hamr and Spacek) to rest instead of logging 20+ minutes like last year. I still see O’B as the best compliment to Markov – even if he’s not what you would think of as a top-pairing defenseman. I’d love to see Gauthier move either Spacek or Hamrlik as neither O’B nor PK will progress if they’re watching from the pressbox. Of course, you can’t rule out the effect that an injury could have which would make either of those guys very valuable once again. There really wasn’t a need to tweak the backend which performed so incredibly well during the post-season. We’ve already seen the impact that PK will have. His effect as a right handed shot that is fluid and dynamic on the PP SHOULD be incredible to witness considering what Markov has done to make lesser talents look good.
Up front I think the biggest improvement will come from the fact that the team’s core went through a very long playoff run together which will only help to ensure that the top lines get better from within. Clearly the attention this season will be on Pouliot and Kostitsyn to produce. If either one is able to light it up the Habs will look very good. If both decide to “soil the bed” we’re going to be hearing calls often for our desperate need for a top 6 forward. This could get ugly – especially if Frolov signs on the cheap and scores goals.
I fully support the move to let some of the younger players (Eller, Pyatt etc.) have a shot at the team right out of the gates. With guys like Pacioretti and Avtsin trying to make an impression in the AHL, it is better to let everyone play than to continue to sign vets to choke out the spots in the bottom 6. As much as I liked Metro and Moore – at some point you have to realize that having those types of players can serve as a detriment to the development of young guys. This much is clear – we’re not a contender. Knowing this the first priority of the team should be to let young guys have the chance to impress. You can’t just sign big names and hope to win. Chicago has shown everyone that it is still MUCH easier to develop your own into Cup winners than to try to buy a championship… although keeping your team is another story.
All in all I like the direction that the organization is headed. While things may look a little thin at some times, you have to like the fact that we’re younger than last year, and that there are players within our system that have the potential to impress. While we might not see another conference finals at the end of this year – we will have an exciting team that is starting to resemble once again the type of unit that we can be proud of.
July 28, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I agree Mats, I like the looks of our team, and the fact that it is younger. If AK46 does not perform or Pouliot stays flat, don’t be surprised if Avtsin brought up to fill one of those spots to see if he can perform. Also Eller may get a shot at one of those top two lines and Pac man brought up as a the first call up due to injury. Don’t be surprised if Gill is traded at the trade deadline, to help some solid playoff team, especially if we are not in the hunt.
July 29, 2010 at 2:51 pm
You’re absolutely right Senet1. Its not often that we suppose that we MISS the playoffs – even if its probably a toss up.. but there are a few guys who will get interest if we’re in that situation as the season winds down. Gill would clearly be one. Hamrlik is another obvious choice. Where it gets interesting (and dicey for Habs fans depending on their allegiances) is that Markov and Gorges are set to become free agents at the end of the season. If it seems as though the Habs will miss the post-season they will have 2 very difficult decisions to make. How much is too much to pay for Gorges? At $1Mil he’s a steal – what about a $3? What is it going to cost to keep Markov here for the latter part of his career? Under normal circumstances the Habs would never trade either of these guys – but if the season tanks, there will be a lot of questions – and these two will become valuable bargaining chips.
July 30, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Markov becoming a Canadian Citizen could mean that he wants to stay with the habs? Hope so, but we are taking this team into a younger team and five years from now we will not recognize the team. I would like to see Gorges sign and I do think he is worth 3M if he continues to improve. Markov could get a deal like kovalchuk if they allow it. Anyway I hope we stay competitive this year.