Patrick Elias a Canadien?
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Add the Montreal Canadiens to the list of teams interested in signing Patrick Elias. According to RDS, Bob Gainey will try to negotiate with the UFA on Saturday. – RDS
Can it be done? It would certainly give the Canadiens a true time tested goal scorer and playoff performer.
Would Elias be interested in playing for the CH or interested in whoever offers the most cash? Are the Habs ready to pay?
The NHL Free Agent market opens at noon and the Canadiens are expected to be a fairly big player this year. Elias is being courted by several teams and would definitely be a big name signing if the Habs could snag him.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : go.
- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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July 1, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Well I certainly hope now with Bob Gainey running the show behind the scenes that the Habs can continue to add some brand names to their lineup to add some much needed assistance to the gifted Kovalev and Koivu punches. Elias would be an amazing catch….but its hard to envision the Canadiens actually getting it done, they always seem to let these top guys slide through their fingers….especially if they are not of french-canadian descent. Another name they should be hooking in Pronger…yes the price is high, but Ribeiro has proven to be a wash here, but has potential and they can also throw the oilers a bone with say Boullion and add maybe even Kovalev if the signing with Elias works out. I am sick of seeing these guys with at best what has been lackluster defence going on more than a decade now. No more ed ronin and David Wilkie’s please…lets get a name defenceman here to assist with the talented Markov, and the gritty Souray (hopefully in the off-season he can get over his wife leaving him and can come out and find his game again)
July 1, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Though the Habs lost their shot at Zdeno Chara, it’s about a 70% that Patrick Elias puts on a Canadiens jersey this year. As well, the habs are steadily after Jason Arnott and even Rob Blake. They don’t have the cap room for the 3 talents but be sure to note they will get atleast one.
July 1, 2006 at 8:56 pm
The salary cap is 44 million this year. Does anyone know how much of it do the canadiens intend to use? Also, how much has been used already and for what players? Is there a webpage with the details?
July 2, 2006 at 12:34 am
70% my ***, Elias has just re-signed with the Devils. Blake also signed with the kings, and Arnott sucks.
July 2, 2006 at 12:53 am
Day 1 of free agency for the Northeast division:
- Bruins sign Chara and Savard
- Sens get Gerber and Corvo
- Leafs nab Gill and Kubina
Habs? Stand pat with Bouillon.
July 2, 2006 at 4:36 am
It’s disappointing to see some real quality UFAs landing with the Northeast competition. As Habs fans we need to be patient and see how the rest of the FA season pans out — remember the teams that did best in the playoffs, the ones which built teams, not just bought one or two stars.
Patience…
July 2, 2006 at 9:03 am
fruuum, this link show the habs payroll commitments thus far: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=2710&hubname=
I agree that patience is the key since one or two stars don’t win championships but it still would’ve been nice to land Elias
July 2, 2006 at 9:30 am
Yes. Patience. Remember that Gainey is in a good position. He doesn’t need to blow his brains out signing UFA’s. We have a decent kore of players who now have played well together over the past season. We have players with tremendous upside still. Boullion, Markov, Souray (will be better, Ryder: all along with Kovy and Kovu we will be okay. The next wave of VALUE players will now be reported and we will get good player in habland.
Cant wait for 06-07 to start!
July 2, 2006 at 10:48 am
I checked out that website left by fan 3 and did some calculations. The habs are roughly at about 30 million so far. That gives them 14 million to work with. I guess theodore made a lot of room! I dont know how close teams usually go to the cap though but hopefully with 14 mill Gainey can make something happen. Sure Patrick Elias is now out of the question but lets not forget there are still some good players out there. What about someone like Chris Simon, or Mike Peca (he was unhappy in Edmonton), hopefully gainey does something soon though before we have to resign Bulis hahahah.
By the way does anyone know whats going on with Pronger… theres all this talk of him movin around but is he even a free agent? Whats all that about?
July 2, 2006 at 10:52 am
With gerber signed and roloson signed, detroit needs to be desperate for a goalie. Aebescher? They got some good guys to pick off. What a move by ottawa to pick up gerber. I had completely forgotten about that guy. He’s a big reason why the canes were 2nd seed.
Who says Hasek goes back to the wings?
July 2, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Arnott has supposedly signed with the Predators. Looking down the list of UFA free agent centres, I still see Jason Allison. Maybe the return of Perreault, the man Ribeiro supposedly made expendable?
July 2, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Interesting, if Arnott’s signed with Nashville, a lot of speculation goes down the drain. Forget Allison. Major injury risk: he’s long in the tooth. As for Perreault, he should never have been allowed to leave: lately, the Habs never mastered the face-off as well as when they had Yanic — against the ‘Canes they missed a good face-off man especially after the Williams-Koivu ‘incident’ (let’s try not to forget).
Perreault is also intriguing because he puts in the effort.
Otherwise, it’s up to Gainey to make the big trades… do I hear Ribs, Zed, etc…?? The FAs left aren’t worth the price.
July 2, 2006 at 4:13 pm
I never understood why Perreault was let go either. He was had 20+ goals in 4 of the last 5 years I think, was one of the very top faceoff man on the league, and a work-out freak, and he was asking under a million. I think Nashville signed him for 550K.
July 2, 2006 at 4:45 pm
Ok guys we saw it again….just as my first post indicated. Once again the two main palyers the Habs wanted to sign did not work out. Elias stays in Jersey fro way way way too much money…good palyer yes, but i am glad Gainey did not try to compete with that…just another over priced european fluffy. Then there is arnot…a forward player we need to accomadate the second line….he signs with the preds??? I dont get it…do these players not want to play in a city that is full og hockey fever and excitment? it seems they want to take the money and run and play for a city where there play will not be analyzed no matter how bad they play, and therefore cannot be scrutinized for being way over payed for…good job Gainey…stand your ground and look for the bargains….there will be at least two new players with the habs next year….a new forward and a new defenceman…any guesses as to who????
July 2, 2006 at 7:33 pm
Look for new bargains? We f@ck’n need 3 pieces to the puzzle (#1 d-man, a scoring winger and a true #2 centre)
and this cheap bastered is letting them slip away!
Pay the f@ck up! We need a #1 D-Man, Pronger and Lidstrom are the only one’s left. Did someone forget to wake this f@ck’n guy up? he just missed the main event. How could you let Jovo go? I can’t believe this is happening, I’m in a state of panic. If Ribiero returns I will never here the end of it!
July 2, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Wake up Stevejur, the Canadiens offered Elias more money than the Devils but
apparently Elias is comfortable in NJ and felt the pressure of playing in Montreal with a big fat contract might have been not to his liking….also I am
not sure where you are getting your facts but Lidstrom signed with Detroit two days ago for another two years….so he is not available as a UFA.
July 2, 2006 at 8:34 pm
I think Lidstrom already re-signed with Detroit. Pronger isn’t a free agent, and the Oilers predictably want a lot in return. They signed Roloson, so they don’t need our most valuable expendable piece (Aebischer).
I’m disappointed we didn’t get Savard, Arnott, Blake, Chara, et al but I’m willing to be patient — so far Gainey has re-signed everyone he should have at this point, except his RFA’s. And the rumours show he is concentrating where he should.
July 2, 2006 at 8:45 pm
Offer the Oilers a deal for Pronger and Samsonov, say, throw in Souray, Zednik, Ribeiro and some other homo like Perezhogin. After dat, all we need is a center.
July 2, 2006 at 8:49 pm
Sorry riser8 i’ve been away for 3 days you are right about Lidstrom.
However, Montreal offered just under 7M for Elias, NJ did give him more.
Not getting a Jovo or a Chara is inexcusable, they must make a serious pitch for Pronger.
I don’t think there is another #1 d-man out there?
July 2, 2006 at 10:47 pm
Wake up and smell the roses, guys! We won’t compete with teams in our own division this year, because we just don’t have the same caliber of players, thanks to Gainey, THE WORST GM IN THE NHL! you”re right! He is a cheap *******! Thanks Gainey for nothing! You just made our team worse! Can anyone tell me,( since unrestricted free agency started a few years ago), who the habs have ever signed? The answer is NOT 1 SINGLE PLAYER! That’s right. They have NEVER signed a free agent! If you look carefully, all the Canadiens players are via trades, or thru their minor teams. If someone can name 1 single FA the Canadiens have signed in the last few years, I’ll make you GM of the Montreal Canadiens!
July 2, 2006 at 11:34 pm
canadiac
Where’s my Office???
Dagenais, Pierre 04/07/2003 Free Agent Free agent – 07/04/2003
Danis, Yann 19/03/2004 Free Agent Free agent – 03/19/2004
Dandenault, Mathieu 03/08/2005 Free Agent Free agent – 08/03/2005
Juneau, Jo̩ 15/06/2001 Free Agent Free agent Р06/15/2001
Perreault, Yanic 04/07/2001 Free Agent Free agent – 07/04/2001
Yes only a couple of OK players thru FA….trades would be better Ribber gone…Zednick gone…..Abeischer gone….Perezogin gone send they all to the Avalanche!!!!
July 2, 2006 at 11:55 pm
Markmywords you are so right!!! Canadiac YOU are not Canadiens fan…GO back to the TO(BO) and Bostons Beans board.Elias and Canadiac can ESAD:=)
July 3, 2006 at 12:14 am
REMAINING FREE AGENTS that might help this team:
C – Jason Allison – upgrade from Ribeiro. Point a game his whole career
If he can become the Allison of old he could be a steal.
LW – Eric Daze – Home town boy. Is injury prone, but could dominate if healthy.
D – Eric Desjardins – I still believe he has some gas in the tank.
At 37 we could get 2 good years out of him, would always be welcome back!
LW – Jeff Friesen – Could change his career playing the other wing with Kovalev. He has talent.
LW – Bill Guerin – POWER FORWARD! Everyone has 1 bad year, could be the steal we’ve been waiting for??
Gainey, Muller and Carbo know him well.
Not much left guys who would you take? I
July 3, 2006 at 3:21 am
What about the Shanahan guy? Isnt he still without a team?
July 3, 2006 at 9:35 am
Hey I’m going to throw my thoughts out here and they are going to take sides with those of you who are frustrated and dissapointed. As fans we have every right to be upset. We have stood by and supported some weak teams in the past 10 plus years. It is hard to see such a proud glorius franchise embarrass themselves but as true fans we stand by and continue to support our boys. I’m angry because if I’m not mistaken the Habs were number one in attendance this past year, 41 sell outs at home. What do the fans get in return for our commitment to this team? I undrstand that Gainey may have offered more money to certain players that have opted to sign with other clubs, but for a lot of these veterans it’s not just about the money. Gainey can offer big contracts but what he has to do is sell the city and organization to these UFA’s and their families. Yes Montreal is a high pressure place to play but look at the positives this city can offer some of these guys and thats where Gainey is failing, he is not selling the city. Take Elias for example, Montreals european atmosphere would have been a fantastic fit for Elais. Bring these guys and their families into the city, then get Koivu and Kovalev to take them around and show them what a great place Montreal is to live and raise a family. Look at Chris Pronger, his situation is not about money or the teams success, he has a big contract and the Oilers went to the cup finals and he still demands a trade. Why? because his wife dosn’t like Edmonton and dose not want to raise her kids their. Sad, yes, but thats reality. Kevin Lowe and his assistants should be kissing Prongers wife’s ***. Your not just signing a player to a contract your also signing their families and sometimes that gets forgotten. Look at Boston, Toronto, Florida, and Tampa Bay all 4 teams have made changes and signings that have improved them and all 4 teams were chasing Montreal for a plyoff spot. Considering what free agents are left and what we have to offer in terms of a trade I am not very optimistic about next year. If Shannahan is available I would make him an offer and then try and trade for a guy like Robert Lang. I know Lang and Shanny are good friends so if they can get one they might be able to get the other. I guess my main point out of all of this is:
1.Habs have lots of cap room
2.Habs are one of the top grossing teams in the league (Maybe even number 1)
3.Montreal a great place to live and play Hockey
* New Jersey (a swamp) vs Montreal (a beautiful,historic,trendy hockey hot bed)
SOMEBODY IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB!!!!!!
July 3, 2006 at 10:18 am
stevejur, Elias is getting paid $42M for 7 years. Therefore, if montreal offered just under 7 then NJ is paying him less
July 3, 2006 at 2:52 pm
PRONGER A DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow intersting deal…a smart one too. I think Burke and Lowe are two of the smartest GM’s in the business…to bad we dont have them on our side lol. Anyway the trade works out well for both, getting what they both needed. Pronger and Neirdermyer on the blue line together???? Wow looks like Ducks stanley cup champs in 06/07
July 3, 2006 at 7:50 pm
Gainey is doing a terrible job here. While teams in the division are improving themselves right now Gainey is siiting on his hands.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only positive is that Toronto handcuffed themselves by overpaying Kubina and Gill.
July 3, 2006 at 8:50 pm
I think Gainey is doing fine not overpaying these UFA. He has also shown a willingness to get a top-notch player, and it can come through trades (not UFA’s). As long as he gets rid of the garbage (e.g. Ribeiro), and ends up bringing two solid players (at least one ‘star’) by the end of the month it will be fine.
July 3, 2006 at 10:08 pm
Another day, another nothing. Bullshit!
Eric Desjardins, Jason Allison, Petr Sykors and Sergie Samsonov are the only other 4 players that we should be gunning for. We just lost another year. We needed a #1 d-man and we didn’t get it. Pathetic! Pathetic!
July 4, 2006 at 12:22 am
Stevejur and Habs#1 are right on the money! Gainey has no idea what to do to get quality players to come here. He was certainly a great hockey player, but hockey players don’t always make good coaches or GM’s! Why can’t we ever attract top notch players? I don’t get it! The Montreal Canadiens, the most storied team, with so much tradition and glory! Oh! how they have fallen from grace. But as long as the fans are willing to pay top dollar for tickets, for a mediocre team, then the Canadiens brass figure, why changes? The fans don’t seem to mind! Fans, it’s time to boycott their games! let’s show them that this behavior is not acceptable! Please Gainey make some changes!
July 4, 2006 at 1:50 am
hi everyone this is mike ribeiro from your team , the montreal canadiens! I have looked at the coments people have posted about me and i do not respect that at all . i try my best every year. and as of now gainey is TRYING his best as well to get players. i promise a good season next season if i am a hab!!
July 4, 2006 at 1:56 am
Also, a fact , i had one of the highest points on the team last season. I know i must improve on shooting and scoring more instead of always deking too much by what fans themselves have told me and I will work on this as much as possible to help the organization in the upcoming season !
July 4, 2006 at 2:00 am
and I know it may seem like i am trying to brag. but i know i do not have the rights to yet. but i am ust pointing out how i also had only one goal less then the team’s very own Saku Koivu.
July 4, 2006 at 2:08 am
By the way, im ***.
July 4, 2006 at 10:26 am
Stop trying to immitate Ribeiro, you moron! Also learn how to SPELL!We don’t believe you are Ribeiro! He wouldn’t care about this website or our comments. He would have more confidence ! Also, he is no longer wanted in Montreal. Take a hike!
July 4, 2006 at 12:41 pm
So I think that Montreal still has a good chance to get players such as Anson Carter , Samsonov , Shannahan etc. eventhough Brendan Witt and Bill Guerin were signed by other teams yesterday.
July 15, 2006 at 7:07 pm
You think Ribeiro has time to post comments on this website?? People are not stupid.
August 7, 2006 at 10:58 am
Gainey is doing an excellent job….outof all the teams in the Northeast, the Bruins are the only ones who improved…Toronto got slower on D, Ottawa lost scoring and D, Buffalo will be dumping guys to cut down on their salaries as the whole team has been pretty much awarded a raise by arbitration…Gainey re-signed our best and added some great guys in Samsonov and Johnson. Also they should offer Daze an incentive filled contract…he would look great in the rouge, bleu et blanc…GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!