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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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January 31, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Hpe they get another win(let alone keep ovchkin off the score board!)
January 31, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Hopefully MTL can win and Ottawa can lose!!!
January 31, 2008 at 6:22 pm
prediction: 4-1 habs goals by: Kovalev,Koivu,Plekanec,and Smolenski.
January 31, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Go Habs Go, this ain’t a rematch, it will just be another beating. Go Habs Go.
January 31, 2008 at 8:53 pm
BEN! what have you done? Never say that. this is the Habs…. We all need to go into this pesimistically so we can be happily surprised LOL
January 31, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Seriously, we don’t need cockiness, from the fans or the Habs. Anyways I’ve ragged on Ryder all year and now it’s Higgins turn. He said he’s capable of 40 goals, ha! Prove it. You’re on the number one line so you have the opportunities bury it already. That line as whole needs to turn it on and stop being so streaky. Anyways lotta time left in this one lets go habs!
January 31, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Jeez they arent helping Huet out at all! 8 shots! How embarassing.
January 31, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Well,got to say some nice hits by Ryder,but he’s not neting any in nor Higgins. Huet’s doing ok,but not many scoring chances or offence from the Habs. We are down 2 goals and 1/2 the game left to play and even though we are playing good D. AIN’T GOING TO WIN UNLESS WE GET 3 GOALS.
January 31, 2008 at 10:16 pm
We are playing real good in the third. come on and score! ur only down by 1!!!
January 31, 2008 at 10:30 pm
HEY Pactum this Lats for you .
January 31, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I hate to lose, but Good game habs,I have to say. not the sharpest for Huet but Ovechkin is a great scorer.
January 31, 2008 at 10:49 pm
at least we got a point, but too bad our defence didn’t show up tonight.
Nevertheless we’ll take the point because Boston is beating Ottawa.
Wow, if only we had a player like Ovechkin! c’mon Bob get us a sniper!
And please put Ryder out of our miseries.
January 31, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Who’s Sidney??
Ovechkin is the real MVP of the league.
January 31, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Still dissapointed by Koivu’s line, but nice to see the team play well when behind. A very important point.
January 31, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I’m feeling the same – a great point and an even better comeback!
January 31, 2008 at 11:00 pm
13 BarrieHabFan
Posted on January 31st, 2008 at 10:50 pm. About ‘Rematch’.
Who’s Sidney??
Ovechkin is the real MVP of the league
You do realise that If Crosby was not injured he would be battling ovechkin for MVP, right?
January 31, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Habfreak, not saying Sidney’s a POS, just that Ovechkin is far more valuable to his team than Crosby is to his.
Washington – Ovechkin = ECHL team
January 31, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Ovechkin FOR Ryder straight across.lol
January 31, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Ovechkin is a 1 man wrecking crew. awesome! every bit as good as Lafleur was, and probably in the same class as the rocket.
January 31, 2008 at 11:18 pm
ovechkin and kovalev on the same team……priceless…….damn i’m dreaming again ….
February 1, 2008 at 1:21 am
Well..i couldnt say it beter myself..the “K’ brothers are fantastic..its really good to see OV play good for Washington..when the hockey and hits are that good..it makes losing even enjoyable…sure …we cant have everything..but when the caliber of play is that intense..iam happy with the 1 point…and guys…way to go to keep the blog going while watching the game..its fun isnt it?..kind of like who “the man”..predicting the outcome..GREAT HOCKEY!!!
February 1, 2008 at 1:24 am
LADY BING for Sid “the kid”..”IRONMAN HARDASS NON COMPLAINER AWARD FOR OVECHKIN”!!!!!Sid would be crying for his mom with a beating like OV got…Sids a “homo”…sapien…lol…lol
February 1, 2008 at 3:05 am
Great comeback but this was Ovechkin’s night! Huge point tonight since the Sens lost in regulation. And all of you who were trash-talking Latendresse earlier this season, better shut it now. This line of Maxim, Gui, & Serge is really gelling. Good on Guy for keeping that line out there in the last minute to tie it up. They had all the momentum.
And I agree with the 5th post… BEN totally jinxed us by saying “can we keep Ovechkin off the scoresheet?” He’s an amazing player and it was bitter-sweet to see him get those 4 goals(cause he’s in my hockey pool, he should be in everyones)
Big weekend coming up against the NYs! Afternoon games too, when we’ve struggled the most. GO HABS GO! FIGHT FOR FIRST!
February 1, 2008 at 8:28 am
islanders we can beat but the rangers?mmmmm…I don’t know
February 1, 2008 at 9:10 am
RematchPosted on January 31st, 2008. About The Habs, The NHL.Can the Canadiens keep Ovechkin off the score sheet for another 60 minutes?
No they can’t:)
February 1, 2008 at 9:13 am
gohabs.com
They copy everything from canadiens.com
Very stupid
February 1, 2008 at 9:28 am
We play the sens twice net week. Very important. f we are going to finish 1st in the east. this is when in could come true.
February 1, 2008 at 11:09 am
The emergence of the Kostitsyn brothers is making all the difference for this team. They have elevated the lines that they play on. They play with emotion,have great moves and Sergei can certainly hit (even hit Brashear last night). Latendresse is also starting to come around. Don’t forget that he, as well as Sergei, are only twenty years old. Everyone is rightly talking about Ovechkins play last night however don’t forget that the Habs came back from a 2 goal deficit with approximatly 6 minutes left in the game and were also down 3-0 at one time. They never gave up and as a result their confidence is soaring. All they need to do now is beat Ottawa to show that they are a serious contender. Tall order,however if they keep playing they way they are all is possible. Ahhh, to be able to dream again.
February 1, 2008 at 11:22 am
Ryan White should get a call up. Give him a taste of the NHL level. It would be good for his development.
February 1, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Thank you Dancan81….finally others are seeing thats its not just Ryder who’s not getting it done. Ryder has been the fallguy all year so far…he’s been getting it from the fans, he’s the only one on those top lines who’s been benched for not producing, and Guy is still moving him around from line to line. Higgins and Koivu are playing just as horrible…it just stands out more for Ryder cuz he’s been the “goal scorer”. Honestly, this is Koivu’s worst year yet, and for a player at the skill level he’s apparently at, it seems whoever Guy puts with him is getting dragged down offensively too. And it seems as if Higgins is gonna be in that spot for the rest of the year. Guy is playing these two as if they’re conjoined twins. They stay together no matter how poorly they play, and its been quite a while now. They’re not producing with or without Ryder, and they’re not being benched or moved around or replaced on a shift by Smolinski. Higgins got hands like lobster claws this year and can’t bury anything, and Koivu is playing like a 3rd liner at best. I’m not saying Ryder should’nt be blamed for this line producing nothing, but he should’nt be blamed alone. And thanks again Dancan81 for seeing this and saying it, I’ve been waiting all year for someone to recognize this.
Anyways, we got a point last night that we really should’nt have gotten, so I can’t be upset by that. Played poorly, but thats gonna happen from time to time. Under 20 shots I think, but this point is a good thing…..good teams can do this, play poorly and still get points, so this is another move in the right direction for our Habs. Thats 5 behind the Sens now, and 5 more head to head matches yet this year with 2 of those coming up soon….could be interesting.
One more thing I have to mention is becoming so painfully obvious thats its not even argueable anymore(for anyone watching the games, that it)…How Begin still has a job here is unbelievable. Listen, the Guy is just not an NHL caliber player. Taking stupid penalties at the wrong times and not having the skill level to play against other NHL players are two things he’s shows almost every night, but the last few games have been standouts. Twice in one game he put us down to 5 on 3, both of which resulted in goals against a few nights ago, and last night Guy actually thought this guy could play against Ovechkin, …we saw how Ovechkin was shut down last night….4 goals, 5 points…its laughable. When you’re in the offensive end, high along the boards, and you flip the puck over the glass on the backboards resulting in a penalty…thats a lack of skill. He gave up a two on one break last night for trying to hold the puck along the boards in the corner of the offensive end without cycling it behind the net where Smolinski was…the result was, Wash got the puck, these two guys were caught deep, and Wash scored again. He went minus 3 last night, the worst on the team, and yet, was still on the ice with Smolinski, against Ovechkin, with 1:30 left in 4 on 4 OT…IN OVERTIME???? Oh yeah, I might add, that resulted in Ovechkins game winning goal. Anything else need to be said? I mean, someone out there gotta see this too, please tell me you do. I’ve really had enough of this guy, and Carbo’s undying devotion to him…he’s hurting the team night after night by doing things are directly responsible for goals against. And why he’s out there and Dandanault is sitting boggles the mind.
Now, I can’t change this, I can just point it out, but mark my words fellow Habs fans, I’m saying right here….this guy is going to cost this team a victory in a very big, very important game yet this year, and we’re all gonna be left scratching our heads yet again as to why. He’s not skilled enough to play the type of game he’s out there to play at this level, and last night was just one more attribute to this. As one of the best defensive forwards ever, Carbo can’t see this? Christ I’m not at ice level, and I can. But if Guy likes him so much that he’s gonna keep giving him regular shifts against stars of this league, instead of throwing him out at intervals to throw his body in front of shots(which is all he’s good for), we’re gonna suffer for it…wait and see.
Four game stretch at home coming up guys, pull it back together and lets catch these Sens boys. GO HABS GO !!!
February 1, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Huet has been playing good but Halak isn’t that bad. they should really try him out. He’ll start against the rangers or Islanders for sure.
February 1, 2008 at 5:03 pm
let halak start vs. the rangers…unless huet makes more than 40 saves:)
February 1, 2008 at 5:09 pm
http://www.habsblog.com/2006/04/07/who-can-stop-the-canadiens/
And they missed the playoffs…how sad.
February 1, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Somebody flatten Ovechkin already.. He’s starting to annoy me..
February 1, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Boulion already did
Broke his nose.
February 1, 2008 at 8:48 pm
February 1, 2008 at 8:49 pm
that means he might not play for a while
February 1, 2008 at 8:49 pm
I’m happy at the same time.
February 2, 2008 at 12:10 am
How come nobody is talking any more?
February 2, 2008 at 10:58 am
I’m all talked out for now, lol. Just waiting for the 2 NY home games now. GO HABS GO !!!