Round 2: Habs & Flyers
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Initial thoughts?
First thing that comes to mind….regular season record.
The Canadiens 4-0. Undefeated against the Flyers.
Deja vu?
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- muller93 : Very true Senet, you do need luck and we haven't had any luck it seems since the habs moved to the Bell Center. We had an incredible run in 2010 with some crazy goal tending from Halak. With Galchenyuk-Tinor di-Gallagher all in 1 year--not too bad, even with an early exit in the playoffs.
- Senet1 : Muller I guess we all have our own ideas, but there has never been too many times that were successful when they traded their draft picks away. We have a chance to build this team so we have a shot at winning the cup over the next 10 years. Even as good as Pittsburgh has been they have only won the cup once since Crosby and Malkin have been with the team. That is because you not only need great players but you need luck to win, but one thing about Pittsburgh they have a chance every year. The
- muller93 : Good point on Torres, he might be a liability. Torres has to tone it down a bit, but that's his game-very aggressive.
- goalie : Though I don't condone what Raffi Torres did - thos shows you how repeat offenders or near offenders are going to be treated. His hit was NOT illegal BUT what the rap sheet adn reputation Torres has he got severly punished. Lesson to be learned by OTHER players because Torres dopesn't learn fromk his mistakes.
- muller93 : Senet normally I would agree with you on not trading draft picks but we are not in a rebuilding stage. Sometimes draft picks can be a roll of the dice and it can take up to 3 years to be NHL ready. We have a good team and I agree with Stuo players like Clowe-Torres-Ott -Scott will make a big difference. Somebody has to protect Gallagher, he can't keep getting hit the way does--we need a tough forward so they think twice before going after Gallagher.
- Senet1 : Really a heathly Habs team would probably win more games against the Pens that we did against the Sens. Reason they Pens would not play as physical against us as against the Sens. If we get good goaltending we win at least two games.
- zpezada4ok : hello all «link»
- stuo11 : hes a tougher big guy too! Just a minor adjustment but will help a bit
- stuo11 : hes better than markov, and hes french who was in mention for defenceman of the year
- goalie : Markov for Beauchemin - an injury prone d-man for an ;old timer'd-man. Beauchemin is NOT what the Habs need in my opinion. He is a HUGE defensive liability.
- goalie : Stuo 11 I'd make that trade with Oilers fast BUT I doubt the Oilers will make that. Two marginal d-men at the best for a switch of first round picks - not a chance .
- stuo11 : markov for beachemin?
- stuo11 : let moen go
- stuo11 : maybe try and get steve begin back
- stuo11 : we wouldve kicked out all other teams but pens, sens,
- stuo11 : pens have alot of forwaRDS same with us but we have better goaltending
- stuo11 : theres styles of play goalie. Sens played us good, but lost games to southeast teams florida and tampa and get crushed by leafs EVERYTIME. sens and leafsd cant beat bruins but we do frequently
- stuo11 : Diaz weber and our 1st for their first edm
- goalie : SEns beat us 4 games to 1. Pens had last night's game under their control. What does that mean if we were up vs the Pens in a series. I think the Habs have a way to go before we're competing for Lord Stanley's Cup!
- Senet1 : If he could score goals like Lucic and we could sign him to a four year contract then I would consider it too. However, NOT if we only have him for one to two years.
- Senet1 : So we went from 27th pick to 21st pick.
- goalie : Normally I would not trade draft picks BUT if we could get a consistently, solid player (especially forward) who is BIG I'd trade one of our picks.
- Senet1 : The good part of this is with both Detroit and Boston moving on to the 2nd round it makes our draft position better, we move up the list by two.
- Senet1 : Bruins beat leafs in OT. It was hard but I was hoping the Leafs beat the Bruins. They had a4-1 lead in the third and two goal lead with less than 4 minutes and lost. Sound familiar.
- Senet1 : The thing is just because you get those guys does not guarantee that you will even make the playoffs or get out of the first round. Look at Detroit they built a strong team and organization and have been at the top for years. Yet they only have had a chance to win it two or three times. No matter how good you are you still need the breaks. So putting yourself in position to win is the most important thing to do year after year.
- stuo11 : i think rightnow we came 2nd in east, a few tough players and we could win it all. why wait? id rather win the cup and not make playoffs the next year!
- stuo11 : and save 4 mill
- stuo11 : ryan clowe or raffi torres! and then a big defencemen! trade markov and gionta for Cammalleri. crap for crap but at least hes canadian and good in playoffs lol
- stuo11 : goalie and muller, we outplayed the sens, real bad luck, major injuries! i still find were the better team. If the nhl wasnt so dumb about zibinejads goal itd be totally different!
- Senet1 : Don't TRADE DRAFT PICKS for one to three year wonders.
- Senet1 : Sorry guys but I would not trade our draft picks. We have 1 in the first round, 2 early second rounds + our own 2nd round pick and a good third round pick. We have finally got a chance to build this team like Detroit did and be able to stay up in the upper group of teams for a long time. If we blow this draft we blow our long term success. There are some players we can trade away and hopefully get some rugged players in return and or more draft picks. We have shown other players that we have
- goalie : I agree with Muller. I'm not sure how many high / mid draft choices we have but I'd be looking to make some moves (even trade draft choices) for a couple of proven, rugged, players who can help us immediately.
- muller93 : Well MB is a finalist for the GM of the year and I for one will say he did a great job with the Habs. We are just a few players away from having a real contender for years to come. But I really don't want to bank on this years draft--We need some NHL ready players. Hab fans have waited long enough and we have a good foundation. Lets trade some players along with some draft picks and get some big players in here. This is the only problem I see.
- Senet1 : The leafs were intimidated early not from size but just not believing they could beat Boston and they did not get good goaltending early. Now they believe that they can beat the bruins and I would not be surprised if they do because they have faster than boston. They are beating boston to the puck similar to the way we beat them to the puck. They are exploiting their defence with their speed. So as long as Reimer gives them goaltending they have a chance.
- goalie : Senet has it right. Other teams have drafted skill, size and dedication. Those players are out there.
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April 23, 2008 at 8:05 pm
DieHard Habs Fan:
Well I guess I would have to ask this question who in the top two lines would you have sat out? the Kost brothers played really well and Kov, Koivu and Higgins were great. He would not fit on the checking line so those three are out. That only leave Lappierre, Dandy and Striet. He could have taken Dandy’s place but then we are giving up the defensiveness of that line and besides that line is not there to score goals but we will take any we get and then all he is going to get is 6-8 minutes again????
April 23, 2008 at 8:12 pm
DieHard Habs Fan:
Breezer has sucked and sucked. He gives the puck away 10 times every game but he scores one goal and a couple of assist and he he great all of a sudden.
People in here need to wake up.
Again I have to disagree, now I am not a Brisebois fan but there are very few that will agree that he cost us any games in this series, the only bad game he had in my opinion was game seven where he DID give up the puck in some key situations. Personally I do not like him and would bring Obryne back in early in the playoff, but he cannot say Brisebois had a bad series. He had five points, a game winning goal and play pretty consistent defense for the most part, If you check back on one of my earlier blogs last week I mentioned as much as it pained me to say it Brisebois was one of our best defenseman when Markov played poorly, Komy was still playing hurt and out of shape and Striet also was having a bad game coming back from his injury too soon.
Sorry but you just cannot make a case for Ryder, I hope he gets another shot in the next series because I believe he can play if he wants to but he has to show the coach that he deserves to be there before he gets anymore ice time. In other words he has to be a team player.
April 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm
I don’t think the Kostitsyn brothers handle an intense physical game too well. They don’t shy away from a few bumps here and there, but they were absent in games 2-6 of the Boston series. They didn’t turn it around until Game 7, when they came out flying like they did in Game 1.
Lapierre in my view has solidified his spot on the Habs lineup with his work ethic. This guy wants to win, and that’s the end of it. Every shift he’s out there giving 100%. As for Ryder… and I don’t know what the problem is with Latendresse. I get the sense that he has yet to find “his game” literally–he thinks he’s one kind of hockey player and yet his skill set is built for a different game. I think he needs to hit the gym and prepare himself mentally for a power game rather than a finesse game.
Habs in 5.
Go Habs!
April 23, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Also nice to see fans of other team’s posting on the site. Looking outside of one’s team is a good way for them, and us, to get a better sense of the league. I mean, that’s the problem with Toronto. They appear to have no sense in Toronto of anything other than their own team, and thus Toscala is considered a “great goalie” because he is better than Raycroft, and Tucker is considered a “great hockey player” because he is better than Carlo Colliacovo.
April 23, 2008 at 8:27 pm
25 Adriana Fagano
Posted on April 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm. About ‘Round 2: Habs & Flyers’.
I was hoping we would lose to Boston so Gainey would address our needs for a dominant center and power foward. Now, if we lose to Philly we still may obtain whats needed to be a legit contender.
O Adriana, I agree that we need that dominant centerman, by the way so does Gainey, however, where do you suggest we get him from, there are only so many in the league and right now none of them are available. If you are going to get a Dominate centreman, he has to be able to do the following, be a tream leader, score 25 or more goals and 70 points, win 60% faceoffs and be able to hit when required to hit. There are not many of those centreman out there, Vinny comes to mind but he is not available and I am not sure we can handle his 7.5 M salary. Any if we were able to trade for him who are we going to give up? It would have to either be one of our top defenseman or two of our top forwards or a good chuck of our youth. Not sure we can afford to pay the price, what we can do is trade up in the draft, or look for a free agent that can help. But I am sure of one thing we can better afford to pay him if we can find him the farther we go in the playoffs, the playoff gate receipt are the gravy the more nights you have the more financially you can afford things the following year. So getting by Boston probably was worth another 3-4 Million in money we will have to spend next year on players. That is why some teams in the states can afford to pay big salaries because they get the playoff gates that we have not had for the last few years. Fortunately we have an owner who does not mind spending a little of that extra money.
April 23, 2008 at 8:39 pm
My name is mud
Not to be confused with bill or jack or pete or dennis
My name is mud and its always been
cause Im the most boring sons-a-***** youve ever seen
I dress in blue-yes navy blue
From head to toe Im rather drab except my patent shoes
I make em shine, well most the time
cept today my feet are troddin on by this friend of mine
Six foort two and rude as hell
I got to get him in the ground before he starts to smell
My name is mud
My name is mud, but call me alowishus devadander abercrombie
Thats long for mud so Ive been told
Told that by this sonsabitch that lies before me bloated blue and cold
Ive got my pride, I drink my wine
Id drink the finest except I havent earned a dime in several months
Or were it years
The breath on that fat ******* could bring any man to tears
We had our words, a common spat
So I kissed him upside the cranium with an aluminum baseball bat
My name is mud
April 23, 2008 at 8:52 pm
groundworking
I agree what you said about Lats and Lappierre, The Kost brothers I think maybe you are being a little too hard on them, Andre is a goal scorer and he would be better if he had a linemate that played with an edge so that other players would not take liberties, as for Sergie he likes the rough going and he showed it every chance he got, he played that way with the London Knight in Junior too and you also have to remember they did not bring him up to later in the season, so he still is getting his feet wet. However, when the brother play on the same line it seems to motive Andrea more and big brother tend to play more agressive with littel brother there to compliment each other, in fact I like that line with Plex, lets see how they handle the heavy going in the philly series.
I think there was a reason why both did not play up to their potential in the earlier going, lets deal with Sergie first, he played on a line with Higgins and Ryder, Higgins seemed lost a centre and Ryder did not respond either so it was hard for Sergie being the junior player on the line to get anything going either, one thing though he did not shy away for the corners or the heavy hitting. When Koivu came back the first the line seemed to be better but Koivu still was to ready to play up to his potential and that has to hurt the rest of the line.
As for Andre, I believe that both he and PLex were waiting for their leader to show up and Kovy seemed to disappear, I think both of them counted on Kovy too much and did not perform because of that. When Sergie was moved to that line now they had to perform or be non existent and Andrea was motivated because Sergie was on this line too.
That is how I see it anyway.
April 23, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Sometimes bored and sometimes lonely
Pimple faced and rather homely
He wasn’t much for socializin’
The TV kept a mesmerizin’
In one ear and out the other
Picked up a trick from his older brother
Got him a can of sniffin’ sauce
Pinned his mind up on a cross
Lacquer head knows but one desire
Lacquer head sets his skull on fire
Lacquer head knows no in betweens
Huffin’ on bags of gasoline
Sniffin’ paint since the seventh grade
She was high on gin and gatorade
On turpentine she lost her luck
Fell in front of a speeding pick-up truck
He was a boy of soft demeanor
And he loved his carburetor cleaner
The vapor made a sweet aroma
He sniffed himself into a coma
Lacquer head feeds his one desire
Lacquer head sets his brain on fire
Lacquer head knows no in betweens
Huffin’ on bags of gasoline
April 23, 2008 at 9:17 pm
We have to respect the fact that English is not their native language. Speaking before microphones is totally different from daily chatting. So, that could be the reason (as Habs fans) we see less “blablabla…” from the Euro players than from local players.
How many times you see Markov talking on TV? How many times you DON’T see Higgins talking on TV??? But the Euro players rather communicate with Fans with their actions on the ICE.
(like Daisuke Matsuzaka first coming to Red Sox, I don’t think his English was good enough to manage to communicate, but SPORT language the same)
April 23, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Frog, I think you are on the wrong blog site, I hear the leafs are looking for a poet. Maybe we can trade you for a big dominate centreman???????????????
April 23, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Whatever happens, it’s going to be fun watching this team play deeper in to the playoffs. And while I believe that they’ve got a great chance at playing in the ECF, and perhaps even in the SCF, I also believe that this team still requires some physical punch and the proper leadership to win a championship. A couple of logical off-season acquisitions should do the trick.
April 23, 2008 at 11:12 pm
The Leafs would be looking for a poet with his own material.
Frog:
Les Claypool told me to tell you that life would be more rewarding if you tried coming up with your own material from time to time. He also added that you might even consider using the stuff that you do come up with within the context of the conversation surrounding you.
April 23, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Frog,
Sure hope you’re not getting your stuff from that SOB dealer that slipped me the bad acid in the 70′s. From your “poetry”, I would advise you to cancel your next order and look elsewhere for enlightenment.
I got some bad news/good news for you. The BAD,your brain damage is PERMANENT; the GOOD,you can now safely move back to Toronto.
April 24, 2008 at 12:14 am
Just in case anyone cares, I am not really a night owl. I just live in the PST zone, which is 3 hours earlier than MTL, so it’s really 9 pm where I am, not midnight (that’s for the benefit of those who might be trapped in a cave. By the way, WW2 is over. WE WON).
April 24, 2008 at 12:55 am
Who let the frog out,lol…..
April 24, 2008 at 1:09 am
Les Canadiens are the last Canadian team in the BIG SHOW and needs the support of every cunuck from coast to coast….LETS BRING THE CUP HOME….GO HABS GO…….
April 24, 2008 at 2:48 am
We know Gainey messed up not drafting Kopitar, Perry and Getzlaf, my problem is that he continues ti be too conservative, and drafts these small players, even Subban and Weber are small by NHL standards. PSS aDRIANO pAGANO THAT WROTE THE ARTICLE LAST WEEK TITLED ” hABS NEEDA BIG CENTER”, IS REALLY tHE tEACHER at Habs inside/out, and is the boyfriend of The Frogg.
April 24, 2008 at 6:32 am
u guys know whats great, Next year the habs are going to be soooo much better. So even if we don’t win it this year, theres a 90% chance we could win next year. Next year I can see Price getting the vezina and the kostitsyns getting 70 pts each. The only problem is that montreal has alot of little guys. But I still think montreal can do it this year!
April 24, 2008 at 6:56 am
Joseph, why the anger? I’never claimed it to be my “poetry”. As for Hockey, I’m afraid if the HABS could not put away the Bruins until 7, They are in for a bit of a rude awakening with the flyers. I’ still think theu could pull it off though. As I had said previously, Although not a Habs Fan, seeing an old adams division team win would be somewhat nice.
Anyone for john the fisherman lyrics?Check the primus video out on you tube. It’s kicking!
April 24, 2008 at 7:40 am
Senet 1:
I love My Habs. But I will be cheering for Ryder when he Plays against Montreal.
Carbo better put in Halak because I don’t want Price to be embarrased when Ryder breaks loose……..
LETS GO TOHIGHT HABS………….
April 24, 2008 at 8:44 am
To hell with Ryder and his little girl playing style. He’s 6 feet tall almost 200 pounds; scared to hit and get his nose dirty in the corners. I’ll be glad to see him gone in the offseason. He may pull a John LeClair but it will be with a team lacking any type of offense( he’ll be their leading scorer with 20 goals)
April 24, 2008 at 8:45 am
Oh by the way, Habs will crush the Flyers tonight.
April 24, 2008 at 9:28 am
I see habby that you are another Member of the Blind selects in here.
Ryder plays like a little girl, scared to hit and get his nose dirty in the corners.
You have not whatched many games that Ryder has played in have you.
Don’t post such stupid comments………
April 24, 2008 at 9:30 am
Oh habby! Did Ryder play like a little girl when he scored 25, 30 & 30 goals for the Habs???
I can’t hear U………
April 24, 2008 at 9:30 am
I thought So…………
April 24, 2008 at 9:52 am
Again ,I did not post #66,but that’s ok cause I like a bigger or smaller hockey player that plays big,no denial there. I will be contacting Habs Blog though and putt the blog name of the individual who is mimicking me ,rest assured I don’t want this to snowball to my other Hab Blog sis and bro’s…..
April 24, 2008 at 10:06 am
Frogs will come and frogs will go
ours is messed up fromm all the snow
he’s a bruins fan if you don’t know
two bad problems and him nothing to show
if I was frog I’d just say no
and put down that crack pipe full of blow
GO HABS GO …GO HABS GO…GO HABS GO….
April 24, 2008 at 11:17 am
Frog:
If you interpreted my comment as anger, then you’re not very astute.
This place is a bit of a virtual insane asylum.
April 24, 2008 at 11:38 am
Yo,Habby, nice touch on Little Red RYDing Hood.
As for DieHard Habs Fan, I hope ?she wears a dress because her/?his fascination for Ryder goes way beyond hockey.
Hey,Die Hard Habs Fan, is it true that a “hard man is good to find”?
April 24, 2008 at 11:44 am
duckdoc! IS THAT THE BEST U GOT *****!!!
April 24, 2008 at 11:49 am
Ryder Should just Tell Carbo to GO F _ _ K himself and go back to God’s Country and wait for a Team that will let him play hockey and won’t give up on him when he hits a slump.
April 24, 2008 at 1:11 pm
DieHardHabsFan,
Why don’t you step outside, Alice!
I promise not to bring my Boa if you agree to forego your purse.
And, please, no blows!
April 24, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Diehard #74
I haven’t missed a game all year. Ryder scored those 25,30 and 30 goal seasons on the pp. He doesn’t work on the ice. Sure maybe he’ll blossom when he goes but, oh well.
April 24, 2008 at 2:05 pm
habby;
Ryder scored maybe Half of his goals on the PP if you really were watching Montreal. Or watching what you want to see rather than the Facts.
It is nice to see how the Habs throw out some players like the trash and ohter players can do no wrong……….
April 24, 2008 at 4:47 pm
come Xtrahabs, I’m not a Bruins fan but an avalanche fan. Come on now! I’m not a drggy either. be nice.
Joseph- This place is insane in the membraine… your right!
April 24, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Here are the facts on Ryder.
2007-2008 Canadiens 70 14 17 31 -4 30 1 0 2 134 10.4
He scored 14 goals this year and 1 was on the powerplay. Had he earned the right to play on the power play he may have scored more goals, he was certain given his chance in the fall and again in the months of February and March. NO goals.
No one would argue with you about his previous years production on the power play but with the other skilled guys we had this year he had to earn his right to play on the PP and the just didn’t. I thought he played a lot better at the end of the season but hey the power play goals just did not come and he was given the chance to produce on Koivu’s line off and on the last two months of the season. You cannot play based on past years performances and there were other players that deserved the change more than he did.
April 26, 2008 at 9:16 am
what has latandress do so all year and in the playoffs he is a bum ,get a real and proven hockey player back in the line up ,like ryder oh right he isnt french.
April 29, 2008 at 12:39 pm
As for Ryder: How can you say that you can’t put a guy into the lineup based on past performance? Alex Kovalev went into a slump, but instead of benching him, they gave him the playing time to snap out of it because the coaching staff knew he was a great player.
Ryder’s bread and butter is the PP – that what he does. He’s not going to have the same numbers as last year if he’s not given the chance to perform on the PP. Sure, he may have been slumping but he can’t break out of a slump if he’s not given any playing time.
And anyone who has any idea about the montreal organization knows Carboneau is stubborn. He was the same way when he played – it’s no secret to those who know him that his ego does him mroe harm then good. In his mind, he now has reservations about inserting Ryder because if Ryder lights it up (as he did in the past after being benched) then it could look bad on Carbo – which is insane. People want the habs to win, period….Carbo wants his ego fed first, and the habs to win second.
When reporters asked Carbo why Lattendresse was going in for Game 3 and not Ryder – everything in his response about Ryder was negative. Nothing positive whatsoever. Even if he thinks it, why tell the media about it.
And in regards to his numbers last year, no one complained when Ryder lead the team for 2 seasons. Habs fans are so fickle…it has to be one of the worst hockey towns in the league. You guys are so quick to turn on players who go into a slump, despite what they’ve done. The best example of this would be Mr. Roy. He brought cups and pride back to Montreal, and yet how quick you turned on him.