Round 2: Habs & Flyers
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Initial thoughts?
First thing that comes to mind….regular season record.
The Canadiens 4-0. Undefeated against the Flyers.
Deja vu?
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- Senet1 : It will be interesting to see how Sutter does because to me the Oilers are not his kind of team, but then again neither were the Flames.
- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
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April 22, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Playoffs are different beast my Montreal friend. Canadiens will have one more day of rest plus they aren’t traveling anywhere. Meanwhile, the Flyers have to leave for Montreal as early as tonight and prepare for Game 1 on Thursday. That is a hectic schedule. I see a Montreal win (perhaps easy win) on Thursday but the 2nd game will be a different story as Flyers will regain some legs by that point.
April 22, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Don’t get fooled by the so-called stats or data, please, especially to the rookie (to playoff)coach Carbo. Never repeat the same stupid mistake encore.
Just play like Habs!!!
April 22, 2008 at 10:46 pm
I can still hear Hextall banging his stick against the goalposts in the Forum, in 1987, the night the Flyers eliminated the Habs from the playoffs.
I can see Hound Dog Kelly and Schultz beating up on our guys, embarassing the whole Canadien nation and getting away with it.
IT’S PAYBACK TIME, time to put THE HURT on the Flyers.
Let’s go out and kick some *** Thursday night.
GO HABS GO!
April 22, 2008 at 10:51 pm
GO HABS GO !! GO HABS GO!! GO HABS GO !!
April 22, 2008 at 10:59 pm
I hope Carbo doesn’t think it’s going to be easy, because we beat them in every meeting during the regular season. Carbo: remember Boston regular season. Don’t make the same mistake. Please no over confidence! This is a new season. Forget what you did during the regular season. doesn’t count now!
I think the boston series was a wake up call and good learning experience,especially for the younger players. Considering that Philly likes to hit, I would definitely insert O’Byrne instead of Breezer, and also take out Dandy and put in Stewart.
April 22, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I’am just going to enjoy watching the Habs play in the second round.. something we all haven’t been able to do for some time.
Go HABS GO
April 22, 2008 at 11:30 pm
rhabs4real…are you on drugs? Brisebois has been one of our best players (1G 4A) and you want to take him out for a rookie? O’Byrne is good but we have enough young guys on the ice as it is. If you’re going to take out Dandy, why not put Ryder back in instead of Stewart. Stewart has 1 NHL game under his belt and you want him to play?
April 22, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Big congrats to Carbo and the boys on a well-played first round; I have high hopes for round two.
GO HABS GO!
April 23, 2008 at 1:14 am
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Habs in 5
Who cares if it rhymes?
April 23, 2008 at 1:14 am
This is going to be a killer physical series and we have to play our bigger ,younger players”O’bryne,Lats and Stewart etc.Now knowing Carbo,that’s not what he’s going to do,he’s going to go for speed.And that will probably work in game one but as Philly pounds at the Habs and adapts like Boston did we ‘re goina have to toughen up,bigtime. GO HABS GO….
April 23, 2008 at 1:37 am
Washington almost beat them with speed and skill. In fact, they were an OT goal away from doing so.
Anyway, I don’t think that the Habs will make the same mistake twice. They took the Bruins for granted a little, and hopefully they learned something from that near tragedy.
April 23, 2008 at 2:53 am
But here’s the thing Joseph,Washington had the best player in hockey to make it O so close,the Habs don’t,not to mention the Caps were the hottest team going into the play-off’s,scorching,plus allmost does not count,lol.
April 23, 2008 at 6:54 am
Jack From St. Louis here,
Your coach is one of the best to ever represent the Blue Note. I’m a fan of his moves and the way his players have handled them.
Only team left from the CA and you guys will represent all the way to the cup….. “no worries at all”
Canadiens all the way.. bet the farm on it.
FJ
April 23, 2008 at 8:13 am
I agree with post #5. The last sentence is Questionable?
Washington did come close BUT they had “Huet Who”! Montreal has Mr. Carey “The Ice” Price. Big differnce!!!
I really felt bad for Huet last night my heart went out to him. I seen and felt the disappiontment in his face has he skated to his bench. He is a great person and Good Goaltender. But not a Great Goaltender.
On the Ryder thing. Something happend to him during the summer maybe. His game was really off this season. Carbo in my opinion should have gave him a chance to redeem himself like Carbo did for Kovalev. I don’t remember Kovalev ever being benched one game last year? How can Ryder get going in this years playoffs only playing 6-8 mins. a game? He needs to have his regular shifts/time and put him back on the PP. That will be the only way to get him out of his slump. More time, not less time.
Last year against the Leafs, the Biggest game of the year (the last game of the year we needed a win to make the playoffs)Ryder scored 3 goals. He came through in a must wim game (he done more than his share to win) It would have been pretty ****** not to have signed him to one more year right.
The biggest game of the year again, game 7 vs Boston. What if Ryder would have played and got a goal or two or maybe three. UMMMMM. Carbo would have not looked to good right, keepping Ryder out of the lineup. YES, Julien benched was-is-name and he came back on fire scored a few but Julien does not have a ego like Carbo, so Julein don’t care to be proven wrong, he wan’t to be proven wrong. But Carbo does not want to be prove wrong. It has been said by former coaches that Carbonneu is stick headed and Stubborn and former players called him Arrogant and cockey. Carbo thought that he diserved better than the rest. He was pissed off cause he was on the fourth line when he started with Montreal. he felt he deserved to be on the top line.
This whole Ryder thing comes down to Carbonneu’s EGO and STUUBORNESS.
I’m not bashing Carbo. Just merely stating my opinion on the Ryder situation…..
GO HAB GO !!!!!!!
April 23, 2008 at 10:03 am
This is going to be a tough series with the say that Philly is playing right now. The one key to our winning is our PP, we have to get that going. We looked great in game 7, let’s keep that up going into the next series.
We will win in 6 by the way. I have no doubt about it.
April 23, 2008 at 10:23 am
Andrew: are you on drugs? Philly is a physical team. you don’t put in a soft player ,like Breezer(who has coughed up the puck alot in the last game), when you can put in a big body like O’Byrne, who played very well in game 4. remember we got a shutout? And you must really be nuts if you want Ryder, who has done absolutely NOTHING in this series! c’mon use your brain. We need the best lineup to win.
April 23, 2008 at 10:31 am
duckdoc:
‘Roses are red
Violets are blue
Habs in 5
Who cares if it rhymes?’
lol, I’m going to use that!
April 23, 2008 at 11:16 am
“Ryder, who has done absolutely NOTHING”.
Yeah, I remember a certain somebody last year like that too. But he redeemed himself. But he did not get less icetime either as Ryder has got this year.
Breezer has sucked and sucked. He gives the puck away 10 times every game but he scores one goal and a couple of assist and he he great all of a sudden.
People in here need to wake up.
April 23, 2008 at 11:31 am
Xtrahabsfan, Ovechkin was contained for 5 2/3 games, until the third period of Game 6. It was Semin and Backstrom that were keeping the Capitals in it.
Anyway, Philly’s defense is there to be exploited. The Habs will just need to attack and they’ll be fine.
April 23, 2008 at 11:43 am
Joseph, post #18,
Totally agree with you.
With our counterpunch style, we ought to see a whole lot of 3 on 2, 2 on 1, or even better,breakaways.
Let’s hope Carbo has the guys brushing up their shootout skills.
Finally, Price is like an early Christmas present!
LES CANADIENS SERONT LA!
April 23, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Joseph,how many Flyer’s did it take to shut down Ovechkin?I think we are in for a rough ride fans and as stubborn as Carbo can get,there is to much money’s the owners “Gillet” will lose in a second round knock-out,so you can bet Gainey will direct Carbo to fielding a bigger,tougher team at the hint of trouble.
April 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I’m real excited… I got my ticket to game 1 in Montreal! I’m coming from Philly. But I’m a bit concerned. The temp here in Philadelphia is 72 degrees and I see in Montreal it’s a cold 22! Is it really that cold???
April 23, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Don’t worry my Flyers friend.
The temp at the Bell Centre will be hotter than HELL!!!!!!!!!!!
April 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Flyers Fan,
I got some really good news for you. As soon as you cross the Canadian border you’ll find the temperature at least 34 degrees warmer.
You’re sure to have a good time here. Also, you won’t have to worry about going for a walk late at night, especially downtown.
Welcome, and you’ll quickly notice that Montreal is also a city of “brotherly love”.
April 23, 2008 at 1:41 pm
I was hoping we would lose to Boston so Gainey would address our needs for a dominant center and power foward. Now, if we lose to Philly we still may obtain whats needed to be a legit contender.
April 23, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Flyers fan: you’re thinking metric temps. 22= 71 F.
we’re every bit as warm as Philly, but our team is hotter!
I lived a short period of time, in Conshohocken, PA. Used to drive to Atlantic City, close by, and down to the old Spectrum on Broad St.
good luck buddy. hope you enjoy our ambience and cuisine.
April 23, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I’m going with with Habs in 5. They should smoke the Flyers tomorrow night, and they’ll ride that momentum into game 2 and get them there as well. Game 3 I think will go to the Flyers, but Games 4 and 5 will be all Habs.
April 23, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Are U a mental ***………….
April 23, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Habs in 4. I think that once its 2-0 montreal will really try the next 4 games because montreal wont want to repeat game 7
April 23, 2008 at 3:15 pm
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April 23, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Ovechkin almost beat Philly by himself. I watched the game and imagined where players like kovalev and koivu like playing and I saw so many empty spaces and It’s going to be easy to score goals. Boston played us really good, It’s not that the habs suck, It’s that boston played fantastic. If Boston would have played Philly it would have been 4-0 with out a doubt. Montreal in 4!
April 23, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Sergei Kostitsyn drives a Porshe. Not bad for a Rookie. I hope the Fans did not dent or scratch it when they crowded around when he left the Bell Centre him like the lunatics they are…
April 23, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Flyers Fan-that’s 22 Celsuius or 72 Fahrenheit. Same as Philly.
Enjoy Montreal but Habs will win the series.
I’d like to see Ryder back in the line-up.
April 23, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Hell Yeah………….
April 23, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Adriana,
get back in the kitchen where you belong!
April 23, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Ditto. I remember Ryder was benched before the game we came back from 5-0 against NY and Ryder notched two goals and at least one assist. Also look how Roenick and Kessel played their respective last games in their series after being benched. I think Ryder would be an asset.
April 23, 2008 at 4:55 pm
DieHard Habs Fan, try to come to the reality that Ryder would be on longer the needed block in Habs LEGO. Help yourself and choose a new player to be falling in love.
April 23, 2008 at 5:02 pm
One thing the Canadiens cannot do is repeat the same mistakes they made in round one and almost lost. They cannot underestimate the Flyers. Remember Montreal had an 8-0 record against the Bruins and were almost upset. They had a 4-0 record against the Flyers as well so they cannot underestimate them at all. The playoffs ARE A NEW SEASON!! Forget what happened in the regular season. Don’t make the same mistakes twice and get overconfident. If Montreal plays the way they did in game 1 and game 7 of the Bruins series, they will win, but if they play like they did from game 2 to game 6, then they will be in a world of trouble. I really hope the Canadiens have learned from round one and are better prepared for the Flyers! Go Habs Go!!
Ziman
April 23, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Some words on round 2 with Flyers:
1. Philly’s power play was extremely powerful in playoff (they were ranking 2nd after Habs in regular season from my last memory). Steve Begin style blocking is highly needed (that’s the reason he was the third star in Game 7). Habs, pay much attention on their power plays!!!
2. Philly players need to be specially TAKEN CARE OF: Briere and Carter.
3. Habs luckily had good timing on recovery of injured players: healty team at the RIGHT TIME!
4. Winning factors: Guy Carbonneau, depending on the TONE he set for the games; Carey Price!
5. Prediction: If Carbo was OK to physical play, round 2 would be ended in game 4; if Carbo wanted to keep a healthy roster, game 5, maximum game 6; game 7 never happen with Philly!!!
April 23, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I Love Mr. Price. A lot
April 23, 2008 at 5:52 pm
duckdoc, I think you have the wrong era Kelly and Shulz were in the 70′s and Robinson kicked both their asses and we won the cup 76-79. YOu got it right about Hextall though, I can still see him going across the ice and slashing chelios.
April 23, 2008 at 5:53 pm
About the booing on US anthem in Bell Centre (honestly I even didn’t hear it before TV), it’s only from a small group of silly fans. The background could be from the episode that a Habs fan was punched down and kicked on the face after Game 6 in Boston, and dirty racially insulting swear included, such as ‘you fxxx French…’
The individual Boston’s fans’ action should be condemned, but booing on US anthem is totally acceptable. (least, how to show respect to Habs players from US, Komi, Higgins…?)
Team990 hosts in their program proposed (at least themselves) to sing the US anthem in next game in Bell Centre to correct the less professional impression on professional Habs fans.
April 23, 2008 at 5:57 pm
rhabs4real: Did you see Carbo’s press conference after the game 7, if not go to Habs web site and play it. I think it explains a lot about what and how carbo approached the Boston Series. An No he did not take Boston lightly, but I think some of his young players did and that is the danger of a young team, you cannot put everything on the Coach he can develop a game plan but if the players don’t play it it is difficult for the coach to get them thinking again, confidence is a difficult thing to harness and sometimes it takes a break going your way before you can get things turned around. Trust me Carbo is not taking Phily lightly either but that doesn’t mean that his players will not have let downs. Carbo has been there before and remember, it is not just Carbo who is coaching this team he has three other former great players also helping and talking to the players. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FAITH>>>>>>>>>>
April 23, 2008 at 6:05 pm
If I were Bryan Murry, I would have prepared an offer to Kirk Muller as the Sens coach. Don’t know why, just sense Kirk will be a good NHL coach.
April 23, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Andrew, I agree with you about Brisebois playing a good series, however, the 7th game he made some terrible passes and it reminded me of his previous play. I have never had a lot of faith in him as a defenceman but I will give him is due in the first round. As for Ryder he had his chance and blew it twice, I would bring Stewart in now in game one and see how he performs, rookies sometimes surprise you. If it is a close game in the third period though he would probably be sitting on the bench, however, I would see how he performs now before we get to a game seven. Ryder will get his chance if we play poorly if not he has seen his last ice.
As far as Dandy is concerned it depends on whether Steit plays defence or forward, if he plays forward then I sit Dandy out if he plays defense then Dandy is in because we need that assurance if we get a defenceman injuried or 10 minute misconduct or something. Dandy is on the line to stablize Lappiere’s line and to provide the safe guard for the defence.
April 23, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Habs in 5 tops, this Flyers team doesn’t stand a chance.
April 23, 2008 at 6:34 pm
This is gonna be an AWESOME series!! not just because I happen to like both teams…with my heart belonging mainly to the Flyers. However, if there was any team in the East that I would have us fall to in the playoffs the Habs are it! Huge respect for the Habs and I hope this series blows the others out of the water ratings-wise.
April 23, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Senet 1,
Thanks for setting me straight about Schultz and Kelly and the 70′s. That was the decade I had a really mean dealer, and unbeknownst to me, I dropped some really bad acid. Guess some of my flashbacks are out of sync in time.
April 23, 2008 at 7:11 pm
My pick for star of the CH-Philly series, # 32 of the Habs.
Nobody makes the breakout pass like Streit, and it will be a sight for sore eyes when we turn on our speed and score on breakaways.
April 23, 2008 at 8:01 pm
DieHard Habs Fan: #15
On the Ryder thing. Something happend to him during the summer maybe. His game was really off this season. Carbo in my opinion should have gave him a chance to redeem himself like Carbo did for Kovalev. How can Ryder get going in this years playoffs only playing 6-8 mins. a game? He needs to have his regular shifts/time and put him back on the PP. That will be the only way to get him out of his slump. More time, not less time.
Well I sorry but I have to disagree, Ryder came out and played a good first game then he stopped skating, stopped hitting and his overall game went down, he sat a game and was given the opportunity to show he wanted to be on the team, it should not matter if you play 4 minutes or 24 minutes a player need to give everything he has with the time he gets on the ice. Carbo was not just looking to see if he would score in those 6-8 minutes he played he was looking to see if he was willing to give the effort AND HE DIDN’T GIVE IT!!! Therefore, he was benched again. Lats was given the opportunity as well and he did not make use of it. A coach wants to see effort not just scoring, Carbo realized Ryder was starting to play better the last montha and half of the season, so why did he stop doing what he was doing. Either he was injuried or he was not willing to put an effort into staying on the team.