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Sergei Samsonov Traded to Blackhawks

  1. #1 Joshtm says:
    June 20, 2007 at 12:01 am

    It ain’t wrapping up to be a summer of big players for the habs. Continuation of the downsizing to fit Koivu. Great, small habs playing with lazy larger size habs who would rather get knocked around than use their size to advantage ala Ninnima-style/Johnson-fall down style!

    And the Habs pre-draft promises Esposito, who may save us in the future, at least Gainey is planning, whether he keeps the rookies when they are just good enough, or whether the rookies get worn down because of crappy small forwards and crappy defensemen to play with, in otherwords, hey we have great rookies, they just don’t have veteran hockey players who want to protect them, instead you have rentals who don’t give a hoot, wasting salary cap, Gainey trading garbage for garbage and not making significant moves. He woulda been better just to buy Samsonov outright and start clean.

    Now we got Cullimore who may get dressed if the defense get thin and the rookies buckle under the strain, or worse, do really well only to have Gainey shunt them down to the dogs so he can go after another Calder Cup run, way to go Crazy Bob, destroy your chances at first round Stanley Cup action and revenue so you can have a mini-habs ring instead of the real thing!

    Oh ya, Gainey is still stuck in his Looney-Store mentality, you can promote that eastern townships goon and make him GM of the Habs but hey, he’s still gonna live on plastic cheese and two dollar shoes and draft small midget players and think he gets a big deal signing used-Russian players who were yesterday’s news, oh ya, like Salamander is gonna do anything more than skate fast, another young Johnson in the making. Skates fast but can’t handle the puck worth damn!

    So we got Markov who can’t defend his own goalie, we are gonna see Gainey try and dump Sheldon’s big contract in return for two more used-broken down veterans and used-broken down rookies (who woulda thought that trading for a used-broken down rookie actually exists?) But hey leave it to Crazy Bob to actually find a Used Broken Down Rookie!

  2. #2 Habs#1 says:
    June 20, 2007 at 12:19 am

    Ooooooo, you here a french canadian name with some junior star power attached to it and Josh starts having wet dreams about him.

    Just like Alex Daigle, Esposito has all the talent in the world but absolutely no drive. All the pro scouts are comparing him to Daigle and Yashin. If he’s available at 12, sure take a risk on him but trading up for him is unacceptable, especially if Nick Petricki or Brandon Sutter are available. If the pick hasn’t bee traded for Marleau already.

    “we are gonna see Gainey try and dump Sheldon’s big contract in return for two more used-broken down veterans and used-broken down rookies” What the hell are you talking about? He’s not paying Shelly anything he’s a UFA idiot! And he’s not paying any of Sammy’s contract that’s Chicago’s business. Gainey saved 750.000 against the cap each of the next two years.

    And he’s buying out Cullimore. he’s not going to play for the Habs! He can’t skate worth shit which is why chicago didn’t want him! Gainey took him in the deal cause it would cost less to buy out Cullimore then Samsonov.

  3. #3 Pepto says:
    June 20, 2007 at 12:51 am

    Honestly, as if Gainey would be able to realistically dump 3.8 million total, and as if Chicago would accept taking the whole amount. Honestly Habs#1 you are living in a dreamworld of Gainey Is God….oh well, ignorance is bliss. Only the bean counters at the Hawks and the Habs and most of all Bettman and the Governors are gonna know just what the final deal is. On the face of it Gainey is pretending he is freeing up salary cap space, but listen to his words wisely won’t you? Over the next two years. Guess what Samsonov had two years left on his contract. Cullimore only had one. So if it was a real buyout, Cullimore would clear the books this year, not over a space of two years. We didn’t have a hockey lockout for nothing. A deal is a deal, a contract is a contract.

    Guess what Samsonov cleared waivers, Gainey promised that he wouldn’t play him, as did Carbo, but guess what, all of a sudden Gainey and Carbo and Samsonov were the best of friends. Do you really think Gainey would let Samsonov sit around next year? Do you really think Gillett would allow Gainey to buy out Gainey’s mistake? No, Samsonov would be helping the other habs to destroy yet another promising season.

    Get real. Stay real and most of all Habs#1 live in the real world won’t you?

    Whatta you bet that Cullimore is gonna be suited up? Heck Gainey thinks Dandenault is God’s Gift to defense for God’s Sake! Heck Cullimore would fit naturally to the next horrible defenseman Ninnima. Instead of one really crappy line of defense, now we have the promise of Cullimore and Ninnima, fighting it out with Dandenault and Bouillon for the worst defensive line.

    And you think Gainey is still God? We sure as heck ain’t seeing Ninnima on the chopping blocks! Not signing Sheldon means that Gainey will use up the money which would have gone to Sheldon to buy another used broken down veteran no one wants and an equally used broken down rookie that no one wants, heck, we all thought Gainey was great for buying out a used broken down defenseman and also taking a used broken down rookie!

    Honestly. These are warning signs, it shows number one: habs fans are the most gullible, number two: that Gillett doesn’t care for Montreal or the Habs!

  4. #4 Joshtm says:
    June 20, 2007 at 12:58 am

    Hey Habs#1 kinda forgot it was a real Canadian team that won the cup this year, yes they may have stood to the American National Anthem and wore an American team’s jersey and collected greenbacks for a salary, but hey Neidermeyer and his gang of Canadian players showed that Montreal is going the wrong way.

    It took real Canadian players to bring back hockey, never mind the so called New NHL scam that Bettman has us all conned into, its the same damn old NHL with stupid penalties! Its the old Grinding and Bumping hockey of old, and guess what the two teams that played the dirty old NHL style got to the cup.

    The New NHL teams like Montreal were left skating fast to no where! You were all gyped by Bettman and his scam!

    And guess what, unless Montreal goes the way of bringing back real Canadian-born players and relies on crappy Scandinavians to lead, guess what boys, it’s another season of watching Guy shuffle the lines cause the Europeans just don’t know how to deliver the goods in the old NHL! They never did, never will!

  5. #5 habsfan_for_life1212 says:
    June 20, 2007 at 1:05 am

    Montreal is not on the hook for ANY of Samsonov’s contract. You dont trade away half a contract, you trade the whole 3.75 million. This trade was dead wood for dead wood. It wasn’t meant to improve the team, it was a salary dump. In this days NHL you have to do that free up some cap space. Salimander is going to play in hamilton, no doubt about that. Janne Lahti will play with the habs, not salimander. So all Gainey did was find a creative way to save the habs 1 million on the cap over the next 2 years. it’s gonna cost 700 thousand on the cap instead of 1.2 mil. I dont see whats wrong with this. It’s like the theodore trade. it didnt matter what we got from colorado, the main issue was getting rid of theos contract. not every trade is made to make a team an instant contender.

  6. #6 Joshtm says:
    June 20, 2007 at 1:23 am

    HAHAHAAHAAA!!!!! Isn’t this funny? On the Chicago side, they can’t believe they unloaded two dead players and that Montreal was stupid enough to trade for two dead players in return for one dead player! HAHAHAA!!!!

    You know we are worse than drunken poker players who think each has beat each other, when in fact, no one wins with this trade. No one. Not Montreal, what we get one used rookie who can’t play to save his life? And we basically pay for a used old veteran who we now have to worry that Gainey is gonna be forced to pay him extra to suit up on top of the buyout. There is still that threat, Gainey might be forced to actually play Cullimore!

    Other teams have done this when push came to shove! They buyout crappy players to free up cap space and then turn around and sign contracts worth more than the buyout for the same player, essentially paying more than the total buyout.

    But hey, at least we have a lot of UFA space left, but you know that means we could end up losing what little muscle we have on the team and be left with softies and small rookies in the end! So guess what, without Souray and the other UFA’s and leave it to Bob to use the money he saved to keep Ninnima and give him a pay raise….and then suit up Cullimore!

    Hey don’t laugh too hard at that one, after all Gainey did sign Samsonov to begin with, and don’t forget the other lead skate player Downie!

    Trust me, Gainey can do worse, and we will praise him for it, and come early December when we all throw up our hands in disgust and call for Gainey’s neck, where are you all “gainey is god” fans gonna be…quiet, like you were during the slump!

  7. #7 Habs#1 says:
    June 20, 2007 at 10:32 am

    And you guys no nothing about the CBA, I think you’ve proved that.

  8. #8 habs4ever says:
    June 20, 2007 at 10:32 am

    This Marleau talk is laughable. Why would we trade for a pending UFA unless Bob has already worked out a contract extension, ot to mention he’s extremely over-rated. This move makes zero sense, giving up future key components that are under control for cap reasons. TO acquire a 1yr rental. I’ll take a pass on him.

  9. #9 LJ55 says:
    June 20, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    # 27 Paul
    Posted on June 17th, 2007 at 8:27 pm. About ‘Sergei Samsonov Traded to Blackhawks’.

    You frogs don’t know what you are talking about. Because the Habs-not had a bad season you want to blame it on one person. You will never make it to the Stanley cup as long as you you the same two people coaching and as the general manager. The days of a team with nothing but french players is gone. There are not enough french players left to help montreal. Sergai will do good in Chicago

    Your aware that when we were winning all those cups back in the day we didn’t have all francophones so those days your talking about never happened. we actually had close to a 50/50 mix of french and english canadians. so when someone says something like that it tell me they don’t what the hell they are talking about, then throw in the frog comment and it just comfirms the presence of an idiot.

    yes we need to add far more canadian content to the team. and before some folks get there panties in bunch about this comment let me elaborate. in europe they play on a bigger ice surface and get penalized for what would legal plays over here. so naturally they are going to have a different/softer style than whats played in North america. it has nothing to with nationality and more to do with the style of play, rink size and enforcement of the rules.

  10. #10 Donnie says:
    June 20, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    Samsonov gone…thats one wrong, righted. Heres a few more things to look at…..get someone there with Ryder to make him the 50 goal scorer that he will be, do it before he leaves and does it somewhere else. – Bob, you run the team, not Saku….he’s a player, so just PLAY.- Try to do the same with Kovalev that you’ve done with Samsonov….such a talent not playing up to half his potential, unlike his stints in Pittsburgh and New York, its a damn pity. Look at the last 15 year history of the Habs…Turgeon, Recchi, Damphousse etc, and now Kovalev….what is it with coming to Montreal and becoming offensively retarded over night. – One more thing. Please don’t sign Yashin. A proven under-achieving, over paid bum. Are you looking for a Samsonov repeat?? Lets have a good year and a playoff run this year guys..your fans want it bad.

  11. #11 jimbo says:
    June 20, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    I don’t understand some of the comments I read here…. what did you guys expect in return for Mr. Samsonov….friggin Vinny Lecavalier??? mabe Ovechkin … it’s like some of the other people noted … both these guys will probably be bought out anyways at a lower cost than it would have cost the Habs to buy out Samsonov’s contract … this was a good move we got rid of one of our biggest under-acheivers … it’s too bad that the complainers can’t see this …
    just my two cents

  12. #12 Habs#1 says:
    June 20, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    TFP is reporting that the Habs are trying to trade up to the #7 spot(owned by Columbus right now) to get Esposito before Boston does.

    If Gainey gives up too much for a guy who’s work ethic, grit, mental toughness and desire were severaly lacking last year I’ll be pissed. They don’t need another Mike Ribeiro!

  13. #13 Madmanpaddy says:
    June 20, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Habs#1……no-one out there is currently questioning or ever has questioned Espositos work ethic, grit, mental toughness or desire. All of the critics however have questioned his consistency…..that is different than the other qualities. Consistency is hand in hand with maturity. Maturity comes in time…..give this kid 2-4 yrs and he WILL be a star, possibly at the level of Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin. He has all of the tools and with the proper guidance he will blossom into a verifiable star. THIS IS FACT!!

    Mark these words…..if Montreal does not draft this kid, they will regret it more than they did when they missed the boat on Denis Savard….this is the exact same situation as that.

    With this said though……I fully expect the Oilers to take Esposito at #5.

    Any comments from the peanut gallery???

  14. #14 PACTUM SERVA says:
    June 20, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    Off topic here boys but i have a funny feeling gainey is going to swing a deal on thursday.

  15. #15 Habs#1 says:
    June 20, 2007 at 11:08 pm

    No one questions those things? He’s being compared to Mike Ribeiro, Alexei Yashin and Alexandre Daigle! Come on!

    And I live in deadmonton and I can tell you for a fact that they have no interest what so ever in Espo. They want Alzner, Cherepanov, Gagne or Voracek. They WILL NOT draft Angelo. They view Gagne and Voracek as better centres.

    Boston wants Esposito. They would need to trade up to #7, just in front of Boston to get him. And the draft is a crap shoot. Esposito is not a sure thing. He will be boom or bust. He will be a star or the next Daigle.

  16. #16 MadManPaddy says:
    June 20, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    Habs#1….where do you hear these comparisons from??? I watch TSN, Sportsnet, surf TFP, Spectors, all of them and I have never heard one critic, scout, GM, coach, player, etc. say anything remotely close to your comments….but I will agree with that he will be a star or bust(obviously)….I think a star though.

    Hey, give me your thoughts on this for a deal….Schremp, Pouilot, Dubnyk and a first rounder to T.B. for Vinny? If I was Tampa, I’d take that deal!

    Whats your thoughts?

  17. #17 MadManPaddy says:
    June 21, 2007 at 12:51 am

    PACTUM SERVA….sorry to leave you out man…..I had the feeling that Bob was going to swing something today but you could be right…maybe Thursday, for sure Friday. I would be shock n’ awed if he sits tight. I really feel Montreal has to pull an Edmonton(pronger/peca)kinda deal in order to make this coming year as success. They need something huge to get their offence going. These past years(noted exceptions to Ryder/Higgins)have been soooooo bad for offence.
    I don’t necessarily like Carbo as the coach(i loved him as a player)…he is all defence and that is why so many offensive minded players die out in Montreal when they sign there. No wonder players like Shanny and Arnott refused to sign there…bring back the flyin’ frenchman…so to speak!

    We need OFFENSE!!!

    Hey, by the way…what the @#$! is PACTUM SERVA????

  18. #18 PACTUM SERVA says:
    June 21, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    Lol pactum serva is latin for “Keep The Faith” I agree with you i am not a big fan of carbo.I think he needs to let some of our boys fly once in awhile.A good defense is great to have but if you dont score goals you dont win games.

  19. #19 bossdj420 says:
    June 22, 2007 at 2:54 am

    I am so surprised we were able to trade off that cancer Samsonov. He was pathetic last season, Gainey should have saw that coming. I’m glad he’s back in the west, we don’t have to see his sorry ass for a while. Good work Bob! Are they going to play Cullimore at all or what? He’s a pretty decent D and if we lose Souray, he could be quite an asset.

  20. #20 4mGhost says:
    June 26, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    Anyone or anything (Cullimore and Salme) that the Habs get for the pleasure of watching Samsonov walk out the door is icing on the cake. The cap room alone is worth it. The fact that the B’dogs pick up a fiesty little bastard and the Habs gaining depth on D is icing icing icing.
    See ya Sammy!

  21. #21 Paul says:
    June 28, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    Habs #1- Ha that is a big laugh. As long as you have Ganey and Carbo running the team it won’t happen. Watch Chicago next season. Sammy is going to help bring them back. They way Carbo treats his players it is no wonder some players would never want to play for Montreal.

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