Sh*t Kicked Lightning in town
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If you got to see or hear another great quote from Tampa Coach John Torterella you’d know he’s not a happy man.
You’d also know he’s bringing Montreal native, NHL leading scorer Vincent Lecavalier and the rest of the Lightning to play the Habs tonight.
So how will the Lightning react? It has potential to be a blow out either way. Seeing as the Habs are coming off a sh*t kicking of their own.
Now the question is, who do you think is better at motivating his troops? Tortorella or Carbonneau?
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- goalie : Great to see Pacs gets su=ome success after the devestating dirty check last season that could have paralyzed him for life.
- goalie : Given ho the team has played this season one thing in our favor is that we pretty much need to clean house. Other than about 6-7 guys everyone else would be available in my mind.
- goalie : After how the tes]am has
- Avatar37 : Apparently only one offer for Carter on the low side so far, I think Montreal would be foolish not to investigate the possibility of a trade for him, and if there is low interest, the deal might be able to include moving Gomez. Gomez/Darche/Cam poli and a third round pick? Maybe not, but I'd be in serious talks with Columbus right about now.
- Avatar37 : «link»
- Avatar37 : for him had we held on to him until now and created a bidding war. There are more buyers than sellers currently on the market and it would have been the perfect time to have traded him.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - I'm not sure how we could have obtained more for Halak. We showcased him, everyone knew he was available for trade, and in the end, we took the best offer. Any asset is only worth what a purchaser will pay for it. The Halak trade wasn't like the Cammalleri trade where you had GMs afterwards saying they didn't even know he was on the market. The Halak trade was done properly, the Cammelleri trade was a knee-jerk panic move, and while my opinion is that we could have received more
- Avatar37 : I saw the game, the Islanders first goal came from a shot that was clearly above the height of the crossbar. How is it possible for a play to go to review where they have the advantage of mulitple camera angles and the ability to pause and they STILL get the call wrong?
- goalie : I agree don't get dilusional over our three game winning streak. Changes MUST be made. I am however, glad to see the effort being put forth by the players.
- Mats Naslund : I just went to capgeek to see who the Avalanche might be dealing for a rental - and I see they have only 6 players signed for next season!!! There are a couple young D men on that squad who are RFAs who would do very nicely next season.
- Mats Naslund : One thing I know - the 3 game winning streak had better not get PG thinking about holding onto guys for a PO run. Trade them, build the value and move on to next year.
- Mats Naslund : How about Max Pac though.. 21 goals and on pace for 65 points this year. That is absolutely monster for a guy at his age/experience and especially coming after a horrific injury. Huge cornerstone moving forward. On pace for 33 goals.. could he get 35?
- Mats Naslund : Didn't get to see it either - and while I don't really care about the win, I am very glad that Gomez scored so we don't have to endure all of the negativity in the media about him for the rest of the year. He still su@ks, but at least it won't be a topic every shift he takes.
- goalie : Didn't get to see the game at all but it's great to see Pacs get a hat trick and fpor Cole to be + 3. When was the last time this team won three games in a row? Great victory -looks like they're giving 100% effort!
- Senet1 : 4-2 win habs
- Senet1 : Gomez scores, Yea!!!
- goalie : As I said yesterday it will be interesting to see what our lame ass GM gets for players he ships out. Bourque is good and he'll help us but I still think we could have gotten more for him and for Halak when he was traded.
- Avatar37 : round those picks occur (probably 3rd).
- Avatar37 : An interesting article. If we slip to the 5th or 7th draft pick, a very interesting case could be made for drafting Galchenyuk. If we wind up with the second or third pick, I'm not sure who I'd draft, because clearly Yakupov is going to be drafted first overall. Our second round pick also becomes interesting, I know I'd take Vasilevski if he were still available. It will also be interesting to see if we can turn some of our veteran players (Moen, Gill, Campoli) into draft picks, and what
- Avatar37 : «link»
- Avatar37 : That is why PG should have waited on trading Cammalleri. Right now, there is a high demand for a top 6 forward, we could have gotten much more than Bourque in return. That isn't a knock against Bourque, but a knock against a knee-jerk reaction trade that didn't maximize our return on a top asset.
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- Avatar37 : chips fall where they may. After all, the only difference between finishing 17th and 29th is how good a pick you get in the draft.
- Avatar37 : We currently sit in 26th place in the league. We are 15 points ahead of Columbus, it's safe to bet at this point they will place last. We are, however, only 4 points ahead of Edmonton so it's still wide open as to who is going to finish second last. I still think that it's time to sit the veterans, play the youth, let them get experience, and regroup for next year. I'm not suggesting deliberately tanking like the Penguins, but give all our young players lots of playing time and let the c
- Avatar37 : goalie - If it were not for the play of Cammalleri, we would never have made it out of round 1. Cammalleri played as big a part, if not bigger, than Halak did. Sure, Halak played well, but remember the team collapsed in front of him, making his job much easier. We had lots of blocked shots and the ones that got through were typically from the outside.
- Senet1 : Goalie you are absolutely right, of course the one thing we had the two previous years that won the games that we are losing this year was our power play. If you look at say 10 games that we should have won had we had a similar power play, again we would not be having these conversations. When your PP goes from first to last in the league that is a lot of goals.How many games have we lost this year by one goal. Again poor management who did not prepare for Markov's possible absence.
- goalie : I'll put it another way.... we need more players who are willing to get their noses dirty.
- goalie : Two years ago when our goaltending stole series adn our players suddenly scored the coaches / GM believed that that was our true team . Well time has proven that was not. Though I was very glad to see the Habs knock off some very good teams we were very fortunate. And fortunate that spring was spelled HALAK!
- goalie : The wrst mistake management could possibly make I believe is to say, we played well some games and we believe the team can play to that level more often in the future. This team CANNOT adnb DOES NOT play to a high enough level. Please do not kid yourself mamngement. hat is partially why we're in the lace we are.
- goalie : Senet is correct when he says that if we had more games with a better efort this year we'd likely be in the playoffs. It has been very inconsistent effort but much more than that. We lack big, tough playing and finishing. Never mind fighting for a moment. We did not compete for the pucks nor along the boards nor in front of both nets enough this year. Thus we are in 29th. If the coaching staff doesn't see that then they shouldn't be there.
- Senet1 : Surely Molson is not going to keep him as the GM?
- Senet1 : when he knows he will be fired at the end of the season. Nothing really makes since in this whole process.
- Senet1 : I am not sue why PG has not been fired by now. They could be waiting for another GM to come available at season end, but why would you not set up a committee to manage the team in the short run until a new GM can be named. There is no since in chaning coaches because whoever the GM is he will want to name his own coach. Gainey and a committe of other executives can manage the team through to the trading deadline and onward. What motivation does PG have to making any worthwhile trades when he is
- Senet1 : I am too mch of a competitor to want my team to tank to. However, If these players played like they ae cabable of playing all year we would not be having this discussion right now, we woud be talking about the playoffs and who we would rather meet in the first round.
- rocky : Exactly, and Senet nails it when he says we have not had an elite top 5 in the nhl player since lafleur.
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December 11, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Well, it ertainly is not Carbonneau, thats for sure.
The leafs spanked Tampa but I bet Montreal will struggle. Tampa will not get two spankings in a row.
I know that I bicth and I am negative all the time, but I just want a winning team DAMNIT…………
December 11, 2007 at 3:38 pm
I wonder who carbo will blame tonight?
December 11, 2007 at 4:37 pm
YUPEE I bet.
He will say that Yuppe is a distraction to the players……….
December 11, 2007 at 4:42 pm
all the fan’s at the game should chant we want Vinny!
December 11, 2007 at 4:45 pm
I can see that happening…which would be a really unusual thing to see.
December 11, 2007 at 4:57 pm
That would be great if the fans did that.Might send a message to management but then again maybe not
December 11, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Hopefully some fans that are going to the game read this and starts the chant lol
December 11, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Better still. If the habs are losing, chant “WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK”!
Gainey, improve this team or we’ll demonstrate at the Bell Centre, and it won’t be pretty. Anyone want to form a group to protest at the Bell?
December 11, 2007 at 7:56 pm
or you could cheer and support the team
December 11, 2007 at 9:59 pm
The Habs have got to be the only team that can’t finish. So many chances squandered…continue to make the other goalie look so good. Let’s go…get going…these are important games.
December 11, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Boy do I know this team or what.
I said that Tampa would not be spanked two games in a row.
I said that Montreal will struggle to get a point.
Every team that the Leafs beat with ease, Montreal struggles with and most time looses.
The Leafs are a better team than the Habs. The leafs have more heart.
This team is just shameful.
Both goals high over Price’s shoulder. The teams have Price figured out already. Shoot high…..
December 11, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Win one loose two. Win one loose two.
That is the trend for the Habs.
This is another sad season.
Why support this ****. We have down this **** for 15 years already.
Tough love boys tough love.
December 11, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Hey DTD, give the whole Price sucks thing a break! Those were not bad goals. And Price really is that strong down low that it’s only natural that players will opt for shooting high. Two goals against in regulation and you *****? This is his first year in the NHL and how old is he? A little early to be so down on the future of the franchise don’t you think?
December 11, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Open your Bloody eyes Man.
I did not say that Price sucks. I’m just pointing out what every other team sees. He has a weakness. And if he does not get this under control now he will be ruined.
December 12, 2007 at 12:00 am
Should i start getting excited when the habs make it to overtime??? What a joke!!! 1 point, 1 point, 1 point.
December 12, 2007 at 1:03 am
This fu@king sucks and we fans are as responsible as anyone for this farce of a hockey team by accepting its lack of everything!!!” THIS IS THE STORIED MONTREAL CANADIENS AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS CHAREST JEWELL IS AS UN ACCEPATBILE AS THE DIMMING LITE THAT SHINES ON IT!!!!” RICHARD CRIES TONITE AND THATS NOT RIGHT……SHAMEFULL….EMBARRISING…..DISCUSTING…..
December 12, 2007 at 1:04 am
It has been very depressing to watch this team lately. They just seemed so slow out there. I’m shocked when they actually can get the puck out of their own zone and complete two passes without the other team intercepting or deflecting the pass. Once again a strong start in the beginning of the season to get our hopes up but fall apart as usual later on. Not looking forward to the flyers and maple leafs game.
December 12, 2007 at 11:16 am
DTD, open your bloody eyes! Check the third thread of the Candy Canes post, then get back to me and tell me what you said.
December 12, 2007 at 11:18 am
Ok. Habs Fans lets have a monment of prayer…. Bow your heads…………
Lord our heavenly father please give us the strength to continue to be Habs Fans. Please dear Lord help this organization to make the right moves to bring us a winning team again. Please forgive Carbo Lord, for he knows not what he does. Please bless all of the Hab fans in here and everywhere even BarrieHabFan.
Amen.
December 12, 2007 at 11:21 am
Here is what I said:
Price is turning out to be a major disapointment.
Price being overated is an understatment.
I used to look forward to see Price in net. But now I shutter to see him play.
HE is a big boy but he is always on his knees. Every goal is over his shoulders.
Where did I say that he Sucked?
December 12, 2007 at 11:21 am
BarrieHabFan:
I CAN’T HEAR YOU…………….
December 12, 2007 at 11:35 am
Our team cannot keep up… It’s funny how you look at every other team in the NHL (with the exception of Nashville maybe) that you can easily pick out the best / franchise player. We have Kovalev… who loves to play the power play, but shuts it down for most of the game, until the next powerplay.
I was really upset about not being able to see the Habs in HD (Rogers sucks)… but watching this on TSNHD last night, almost made it look worse… I really have trouble seeing us make the playoffs with these players… RYDER HAS TO GO! SOONER THE BETTER!! (but who would take him???)
December 12, 2007 at 11:38 am
On the flip side… Plekanec gets better with every game, and I really like O’Byrne (horrible play on goal #2, but sh*t happens)
Throw us a bone here Gainey… at least let us know you trying to dream up a deal… Someone stop this 13 years of bleeding
December 12, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Price….overrated is an understatement…..major disapointment. I may be paraphrasing but suck is basically what you’re saying. What I’m saying is net is not where team troubles are. Many people thought Patrick Roy was weak in the five hole and some said up high. All goalies have an area where they are susceptible and this is a result of the playing style. Price is very strong down low and as a result shooters will go high. Most goals that go in high on him are good shots. I won’t debate that there are a few that other goalies would have stopped, but other saves that he makes look routine are actually quite difficult and would have been let in by other goalies. Now, I’m not saying Price is not open to constructive critisism. What I am saying is he should only be critisized when he has actually done something wrong and perhaps some allowance whould be given to him considering the circumstances (Huet injury, age, experience in NHL). Or we could do it your way and criticize him and point out all his weaknesses, tell him he’s been a major disappointment and is overrated and be surprised when a few years down the road he no longer wants to play in Montreal, goes to another city and wins a stanley cup.
I think I’d rather keep my critisism aimed at those who really deserve it right now.
December 12, 2007 at 1:02 pm
BarrieHabFan:
I love Price to death. I don’t mean to be so hard on him. I watched his play in Hamilton last year, I was there for all playoff games and he don’t deserve to be on this ****** team, he needs a team that can play in front of him to make him the star he can really be. This team does not have the talent to make Price a star.
If he stays here with the Habs he will be ruined………
December 12, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Bravo , but he will come back with more of the same and blame Price … say bye bye to #11 , I am pretty sure his time has come and gone here in Montreal , good luck Saku where ever you end up … and I mean that, He will be better off somewhere as a second line center … San Jose with Rivet maybe ? P.Marleau looks like a good deal right now…
December 12, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Bravo , but he will come back with more of the same and blame Price.
What do U mean by that.
December 12, 2007 at 1:52 pm
I’m with BarrieHabFan on this one. Letting in 2 goals in 60 minutes against a team with that caliber of shooters is nothing to criticize. Our lack of finishing plays IS something to criticize. Also, a coach that prefers to punish talented players who aren’t played well instead of encouraging them is another problem. Lastly, if Carbo left the lines alone for a game or two we might be able to find some chemistry apart from what we’re seeing on the 2nd line (which should be the 1st line, but that’s another argument). A trade at some point might help, but I think what we really need is a real coach with some experience… Carbo’s gotta go.
December 12, 2007 at 2:41 pm
“What do U mean by that.”
What’s the matter do you not understand proper english? You will be back with more of the same, its rather easy to see. A wise man once said when you have nothing nice to say , say nothing. You can however point the finger to where the real blame might be, a Captain that can’t play over 18 minutes a game, can’t score, and can’t seem to motivate his troops. I think it is time for him to move on.
December 12, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Hello to U too DON……………
December 12, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Don’t beat a dead horse DON.
December 12, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Okay, at the forefront of trade considerations has to be salary cap, if we’re to bring in a top tier forward we have to be prepared to move that same salary value. One suggestion I have not seen here is to trade one of our better defensemen, a position we actually have some depth in. I suggest trading Hamrilik (sp?), he along with a prospect/picks (or Ryder if anyone would take him) could clear the required space. Roman’s played well, and there’re many teams that would like to have him. Maybe Roman/Chipchura with picks for a decent centre (move Pleks to the wing) and a veteran defenseman. ANy thoughts here?
December 12, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Guys you have to admitt that the whole game Tampa was dodging penalties. Montreal should have gotten like 10 powerplays and montreal probably would have scored on like 7 of them so that would have made it 9-2 habs. Evertime montreal got the puck they were tripped,slashed,hooked,crosscheck(koivu) etc. But I know we didn’t show up until the last 3 minutes of the third.
December 12, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Well boyz they called up Sergei Kostitsyn this could be a good addition to the team,i watched him in the pre season and he has some good skills.He got the game winner in overtime it was nice,very nice.LOL
On the down side huet is due to comeback against the leafs and as much as i think he is a good goalie,he stinks against the maple lafs.
What do u guys think?
December 12, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Will people at the Bell Centre quit singing that incessant, obnoxious song they sing near the end of the game, the one that comes just before the other team scores to tie it up and then go on to win. This song makes my blood boil. It drips in smugness and overconfidence and it makes me wanna puke.
December 12, 2007 at 8:30 pm
I think the time has come for a major change. Gainy may have to be the first to go.There can be no exuses anymore. The playing field is now fair. Money is no longer an issue now that there is a salary cap. Now it comes down to who is the smartest general manager.Gainy i sugest you do something before your number is retired or it will be a disappointing night for you
December 12, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Word is that the Kostitsyn brothers will play on the third line with Dandenault.
They’re going to call it the
Dandy pair of Tits line
December 12, 2007 at 9:26 pm
The only reason Kostistyn is being called up, is because Gainey refuses to make a trade.He’d rather sit on his hands and sleep thru the year. Yeah pretty soon we’ll be calling the habs the Montreal bulldogs, because we have all their players,and we now look like an AHL team on the ice. Just change the CH to a bulldog!
December 13, 2007 at 11:49 am
Again,nobody wants our players in trade talks cause they are infected with looseritis and that will cause MAD FAN disease and french press rumorbug.
December 13, 2007 at 11:49 am
go habs go.habs all the way.all u guys r negative.
December 13, 2007 at 11:50 am
hey
December 13, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Congrats to PK Subban on making the Canadian World Juniors along with Paciorrety making the US squad. Too bad Ryan White got cut from the Canadian Squad but it was expected considering the depth the squad every year. Interesting cuts from the squad though like Keeton Elerby, Ty Wishart and Price’s backup last year Leeland Irving.
And who got cut for the third year in a row? Local boy Angelo Esposito get’s cut in favor of two guys who haven’t even been drafted yet in the forms of John Tavares and, the guy I want the Habs to tank it to get, Steve Stamkos. Can you say Espo lived off of Alexander Radulov?
December 13, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Can’t wait to watch Subban.
December 13, 2007 at 1:59 pm
S Kostitsyn top Line with Koivu and Higgins…. Pine_Ryder in the pressbox.