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Sinking Ship

  • Let’s quickly summarize last night’s games to give you an idea of what’s happened to the Canadiens.

    Boston: 2 points
    Carolina: 2 points
    NYI: 2 Points
    Toronto: 1 point
    Tampa Bay: 2 points

    MONTREAL: 0 Points

    This has been more or less a nightly occurrence for the past several weeks. The Canadiens getting no points and their Eastern rivals winning, or managing that extra point in an OT loss.

    On the contrary, the Canadiens get shut out at home to a nearly 42 year old goaltender and a non playoff team.

    There is a very real chance that one team misses the Playoffs by a single point. Should the Habs miss the playoffs you might look at last night as the night that cost them.

    Were the Canadiens awful? Arguably. The least you can say is they did play a better game than the two against Ottawa.

    Ed Belfour stood on his head as he has now earned the title of Hab Killer along with Erik Cole and Justin Williams and several others. The Habs hit several posts and couldn’t find a bounce all game including a 5-3 in the dire minutes of the 3rd. Is that good enough? Of course not. Not for a team that wants to be in the playoffs.

    There is certainly some disturbing numbers on the Habs right now. I’ll share just a few…

    They’ve allowed the first goal 9 games in a row. The Canadiens don’t win when they don’t score first. Their confidence tanks the minute a goal is allowed.

    Their first line doesn’t produce, and worse than that they allow goals like their going out of style.

    Saku Koivu is -16. When your first line Center and your Captain is that bad, what does that say about the team? The most troubling thing is Koivu’s expression on the bench is lifeless, tired, cold. Not characteristics of a Captain leading his team back on track.

    Michael Ryder is -21 . 6th WORST +/- in the entire NHL.

    Chris Higgins could not score on a soccer net at this point. Since his injury he hasn’t been the same. In recent games he’s looked like the Higgins of old but can not bury one and get the monkey off his back.

    Pause for a moment and look at the Standings. The Canadiens sit in 8th place. Isn’t this where they are supposed to be? Isn’t this where they always are? Are we expecting too much of a rookie coach, a rookie starting goalie and a team that’s generally low on skill?

    Look at the last few years:

    05/06: 7th place.
    03/04: 7th place.
    02/03: 10th place.
    01/02: 8th place.

    One could argue we are right on track, and lucky to be there. The bitterness and frustration comes from knowing not long ago the Canadiens held the 2nd highest point total in the East and routinely beat or challenged teams like the Sabres and Thrashers.

    What next? The Habs play tonight in New Jersey. The chances of winning, very slim.
    If you are a betting man you could safely bet the farm tonight on a Canadiens loss. They have won once in NJ in close to 20 games. If they have so much trouble with the Panthers they will certainly have their hands full with the Devils who are rolling along.

    Stranger things have happened, and maybe a good dance with Devils will put them back on track. More likely, the Canadiens will miss out on 2 more points.

  1. P A T H E T I C

  2. #2 BarrieHabFan says:
    February 14, 2007 at 11:44 pm

    Almost all of the losses the habs have had in the last few months have been because of horrible efforts or ability by the forwards and not because of poor goaltending. Even the defence has been ok. The fact is the Canadiens rely on Koivu as their number 1 center and he should and would be a #2 center on any other team. I don’t thik Koivu should be traded, I just think Montreal really needs and must get soon a #1 center. Also, bringing in a player like Roberts from Florida would give this team a kick in the a** and show them what effort through an entire game is all about.
    Aebischer and Huet aren’t the best in the game, but overall are pretty good. Worst offence ever is the problem here!

  3. Thankfully, I missed the game, but you guys must be joking? Ninnimaa on offence? Why not put Samsanov in goal next game? It would probably be more succesful than trying to make him into a defensive forward on the third or fourth line.

    It really seems to be that this team is hexed, and are heading the way of the Philadelphia Flyers.

    I am not even sure that you can merely call it line juggling anymore. However, the continuous line juggling in Montreal has killed any chance of any of these players developing any chemistry on the ice. Right now, every other team in the NHL has pretty much four set lines — everyone else on every other teams pretty much knows who is playing on what line and with whom each night! Also, who really cares how good one’s penalty kill is when one takes nearly four times the number of penalties as New Jersey?

    What you are witnessing is complete and total TEAM failure, a complete lack of discipline, and zero consistency or effort. Offensive players scared to take any chances! Sometimes, non-existent defense! No trade or call up from the AHL is going to fix this mess. Trade deadline (February 27)… Gainey might consider cutting as much deadwood from this current team as possible to build for the future. There should be very few untouchables with the right offer. That should include the coaching staff. Maybe, Higgins, Latendresse and Markov are worth keeping. Oh! and Souray if he doesn’t break the bank.


  5. #5 BarrieHabFan says:
    February 14, 2007 at 11:54 pm

    Not Carbos fault that he was forced to start juggling lines to try to find some combination that can score. Too many coaches (good coaches) have been chased out of Montreal because they have taken the blame for poor offence. Give us a #1 Center.

  6. #6 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 12:01 am

    Yes, the goaltending has been below par. These are average goalies at best, and Huet should ONLY be a BACKUP. KOIVU is now more of a detriment, than a help to this team. So thank you, for the years Koivu. but you’re done like a steak! I think with him , Kovalev and Samsonov gone, the chemistry of the team will change dramatically. For those of you who , unmercifully watched the game tonight, you must admit that KOIVU looks totally LIFELESS out there, and has no drive or energy. Hr looks like he isn’t in the game, mentally, or physically. Something is definitely wrong with him.
    I also think there is something internally going on, that the fans aren’t aware of. Maybe in the dressing room, I don’t know. As fans, we don’t deserve to be subject to this lack of effort every game. Why doesn’t Gainey do something? PLEASE! DO SOMETHING BEFORE A RIOT OCCURS!!!

  7. Since THM is likely going to rub this in anyways, you guys should be aware that Gerber got a shutout against Florida tonight while filling in for Emery during his suspension.

  8. #8 stevejur says:
    February 15, 2007 at 12:25 am




  10. #10 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 12:46 am

    Let’s boycott the games. The prices are too high to pay for a crappy team.
    If there are alot of empty seats, maybe management will get the message.
    As fans, we’re not going to tolerate this losing anymore!
    Change this crappy team, or we’re not showing up for games, just like the habs!


  12. Rob I disagree with keeping the coaching staff. The constant line juggling and poor raport with players before during and after the game shows Carbo thinks he is too good for the best. Plain and simple. The truth is Carbo could not coach a little league team.

    As for keepers, I agree with some of your picks but Markov? He gets penalties at the worst times, often when the team is doing good and when Koivu or Kovalev aren’t getting their prima donna hissy fit penalties, no Markov is part of the problem. We have a European revolt going on in the Habs organization. Time to get rid of the Europeans who don’t care anymore, they are only happy if the cheque doesn’t bounce and if they don’t have to check or put any effort in, hence all those stupid penalties.

    Dandy Boully and Begin have the habs style of play, I would keep those grinders to mix into the third and fourth lines. Force Rivet into retirement. Buy Johnson and Downie out of their contracts, force them to retire early too.

    Everyone else is expendable for key trades, even Lat and Lapierre, they are soft. Keep Grabby and Kosty maybe and for sure one of the rookie goalies.

    Finally, fire that stupid guy who plays those faggot songs at the centre. Honestly, who the hell likes that damn OOAAYYY OOAAYY…

  13. THM:

    Do you go onto all the other NHL teams websites too? Is this like a psych out the opponent type thing that you have happening here? Would the Sens stop winning games if you actually just went to bed without telling other teams’ hockey fans all over the country? Because there is a name for that kind of behaviour, it is called schizophrenia, but fortunately, it is treatable with the proper medications! Seek help, man, because you seem to have all the tell tale signs.

    PS. If you guys are striking, how can I pick up your tickets cheap?

  14. #14 stevejur says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:09 am

    THM sweet dreams, even if it’s in BLACK and WHITE!
    Ya baby, you gotta love that one.

    Hey let’s see if we can tie the Leafs 8 game losing streak.
    How soon do we forget. Don’t worry THM remember what happened last year.
    Big mouth, it’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass as it always does.
    Leafs will pick you up and drop you on your head.
    Your so stupid that after 40 years you’ll never learn.
    Thank God I live out side of Toronto and not inside the crap hole.

  15. joshtm.

    For once, we actually agree. You may have misunderstood me, but I was trying to say in post #104 that no one in the Hab’s coaching staff should be considered untouchable. I agree with you that Carbonneau has probably over-coached this season, but do not forget he is a rookie coach (not an old broken down acquistion.)

    I think Markov deserves at least another year with the Club (assuming a great offer for him doesn’t come along before the deadline.) Johnson is a good penalty killer and is something like +15 so far this season; I would probably give him another year with the Habs too unless a really good deal came along for him. Downey??? don’t even go there!

    It is looking more and more that Montreal will likely be sellers (not buyers) come trade deadline. This is quite clearly not going to be our year so move on, and build something for the future.

    PS. Don’t boo and trash Sidney Crosby ever again, guys!

  16. #16 joshtm says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:44 am

    Captain Sakku Koivu ordered the band to keep playing as the HMS Habtanic went down after it struck an iceberg on the Hudson River today.

    Isn’t that pathetic? You have Bob Gainey putting all his trust in this gang of misfits, that is what they are players who don’t fit each other’s style of play. You have Ragdoll Ninny, along with the other rag doll Johnson and then you have your rubber band defense, because they are just a bit too flexible, not in a good way that is, allowing the other team to come in and own the game and make a zillion shots on the goalies Huet and Abby.

    And the scary part in all of this, our only cheer leader Souray is making all these very scary comments like Kovalev is probably just being benched cause he is not really hurt, like on TSN the other night, and tonite to AP he said this:
    “No one is going to come, there is no savior who is going to come in and save the day for us,” Souray said. “If we are waiting for that, and I don’t think we are, we’re definitely on the wrong track. We’re going to need all the guys in here to keep giving a little more and a little more until we break through.”

    Honestly. Bringing Johnson in did not help, if anything it gave the ammunition to the Europeans to revolt and play like some damn Union team out to make management look bad because hey, they don’t stay in a four star hotel and any other stupid excuses Johnson makes, he is well know for his loose lips, why do you think he’s been all over the world and everyone wants to trade him, he is bad for morale.

  17. I am not sure if you guys can read but THM is a sens fan. And if he was a Leafs fan I don’t think that making fun of him while your team plummets from the lofty heights of 5 points back of Buffalo to possibly being below the Leafs makes much sense.

  18. #18 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:08 am

    Frank, you don’t sound like a habs fan. So, get the hell of this website!
    You’re not wanted!

  19. #19 habs phan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:15 am

    WOW we’re ****** !!!!!! say good night. the party is over. is gainey gonna make a move or what???? shit man, we’re slipping down the ladder. koivu is doing more harm then good right now. the only player that showed up tonight was higgins i can’t beleive my eyes when i watch games. makes me stressed out to see such a lack of heart and determination. somethings gotta give!!! gainey make a move now before it’s too late!!! unreal.

  20. #20 smiler2729 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 5:12 am

    Here’s one:
    Saku Koivu and Andrei Markov to Minnesota for Pierre-Marc Bouchard and Stephane Veilleux… make sense?

  21. spectors shows a report that suggests the reason Gainey may be in a such a bad mood and wont talk to the press is because there is no trade out there that will help his team ( ahem…nobody will trade with him)….Wouldnt that be just freaking awesome….we cant even give our guys away….lmfao….man, what a spot we’re in.
    Right now, Bob is like the little kid who bangs on every door in the neighborhood to ask if little jimmy can come out to play, and all the doors are being slammed in his face.
    Remember in school when you would all line up and two guys would pick teams?…there was always one little guy with glasses that was picked last, right after the fat girl?……Bob Gainey.

    the fat lady is now clearing her throat.

  22. #22 I am Canadien says:
    February 15, 2007 at 9:59 am

    Sound of an EX-Hab….

    ”No one is going to come, there is no saviour who is going to come in and save the day for us. If we are waiting for that, and I don’t think we are, we’re definitely on the wrong track.”

    – Canadiens defenceman Sheldon Souray after falling to the Devils on Wednesday night, the Habs’ fifth straight loss.

  23. There is one player that every GM knows was a bad trade leading up to and after, in this case Johnson. Anyone else notice since he came on board, that what looked like a promising year before X-Mas and after he came on, went to hell in a hand basket?

  24. #24 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 11:40 am

    Sorry Frank, I was just a bit upset. There is nothing wrong with a fan of another team coming and giving thoughtful comments. I apologize that I, along with my Habs’ fans brethren, spent the first half of the season talking about how the Habs were the top Canadian team and were so much better than the rest. I am sorry that we all started planning our Stanley Cup parades despite some disconcerting facts like how the team was living on unreal goaltending and high PP and PK percentages that would be impossible to maintain. Or the fact that the Leafs outplayed us for almost 5 complete games and our only points came by way of unbelievable goaltending.

    Sorry we were so arrogant. I guess this is just karma smacking us back down to where we belong.

  25. #25 JohnnyD says:
    February 15, 2007 at 11:55 am

    HUET GETTING HURT WAS THE BEST THING THAT COULD OF EVER HAPPENED LASTNIGHT!! We’re gonna bring up one of our young goalies and that will break us out of this slump… Remember what i said! HUET IS NOT A STARTER IS A BACKUP!! TOO SLOW FOR THIS LEAGUE, THIS AINT FREAKING FRANCE!!!!!

  26. #26 BarrieHabFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 11:58 am

    This is not where Montreal belongs in the standings. Whenever any team goes through a horrible stretch most people always assume the whole tema sucks. Usually it is a few players that are a problem or there are just a few missing elements. I have no doubt that this team was overachieving earilier in the year, but what we see now is not how bad this team really is.
    I still know that what this team really needs and has needed for a long time is a good #1 center. All the potential of wingers such as Kovalev, Ryder, Higgins and Samsonov is nothing if the two top centers on the team are Koivu and Plekanec. Wingers need good centers and they just don’t have them here. We all wonder why Kovalev and Samsonov have been crap this year. Even if they are overrated, they aren’t as bad as their numbers suggest. Put them on a team with a good center and see what they do. Maybe not great, but certainly better. Montreal can’t move Koivu, but at the very least they should move him to the second line and bring in a better (bigger) 1st line center.

  27. #27 BarrieHabFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    Also, Samsonov has sucked this year. But I argue that Ryder and Koivu are the biggest problems on this team. Ryder and Koivu are lazy, pick and choose when they want to skate and when they’re going to just float around waiting for their next cheque. Samsonov at least has a respectable +/- on a bad team. Ryder may have more potential than Samsonov and that is exactly why he should be moved as Montreal would get a good return for him. Sammy at leat puts in an effort even if he has little offensive threat nowadays.

  28. #28 fan4066 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Well. 1 win in 25 games against the Devils. That pretty much summed up the pre-game opinion for most of us anyway. The Canadiens cannot beat the Devils ….even on NJ worst night. They went 0-4-0 against them again this yr, just like the previous 2 yrs. I’m suprised they even scored a goal ….normally Brodeur shuts them out every game he plays them!

    Their confidence is totally gone now, they will not show up to play the rest of the year now….and why should they. Gainey let this go on far too long, he slit there throats and let them bleed to death. Gainy says “he has the talent and players already, they have to show up and play”. In others words…..I’m not making a trade , figure it out for yourselves. Is he on acid or something? This is not what I call a good General Manager!!! All these other teams are tweaking for the playoffs….he’s doing nothing!!! He has no one to blame but himself for the mess that now haunts him….he has become his own worst emnemy. It he’s not gonna do the job, why be there. Christ any one of us could do better than this.

    He’s not gonna “trade the future away”, well when the hell is he gonna make a trade…2015???? If I was Guy, I would say to hell with it, and walk away. Every body else in the league did some tweaking for the playoffs, and were doing JACK

    I know nobody here wants to hear about Pittsburgh……but look, again, they found a way to win, and they did it, it wasn’t pretty, but they won….12-0-4 in last 16. They are the hottest team in the NHL…….why, grit….heart…and scoring….everything Montreal is empty of. They were 12 points behind us a couple months ago… they are 5 ahhead of us…..they have out gained us by 17 fuckin points!!!!, why? heart …grit…and desire to win

    Everybody was excited when Gainey came back to be the GM, and temporarliy the coach….hell I was, especially getting Carbonneau, Muller and Jarvis as caoching staffers. This was a nucleus to bring back champoinship hockey to the promise land….am I right? Almost 2 yrs later, it has become the car wreck that nobody wants to look at, but is hard to ignore as you see it sit there.

    If I could replace a GM for Gainey….it would be Darryl Sutter…in a flash. At least he knows when to address a problem

  29. #29 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    hey FRANK: stop impersonating me! Everyone, don’t pay attention to post #126.
    It isn’t me. FRANK wants me to apologize, for what? He is the arrogant one who needs to apologize. HE ISN’T A HABS FAN, AND HE IS DISRESPECTFUL OF ALL HABS FANS. If you see a post from FRANK, don’t bother reading it. He is an A!@#hole!

  30. How am I being disrespectful? Seems like the only disrespectful one here is you. That’s one thing you could apologize for. If I want to visit a Habs’ site and discuss the Habs among ranting and raving lunatics then that is my prerogative.

    And maybe THM impersonated someone after someone impersonated him?

  31. #31 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    Besides Higgins, last night our offense looked like a bunch of pee-wees. We had 3 guys in the corner losing lose puck battles, players running into each other, Ryder plays like he’s the size of Samsonov. Nimmina playing offense (which he better than some of our offense was last night, but at least he had an excuse for looking lost. At least he couldn’t hurt us with his D.) Bunch of other stuff but the broken record observations aren’t worth the spit… We need to have some offensive attention from the coach staff, but they’re are specialized Defensve minded people!

    I agree somewhat with BarrieHabFan on bringing in some Size. We have no one in front of the net, but it does not think we necessarily have to bring in a center. We do not have any offensive players that possess a combo of toughness and skill. Our 2 biggest top line forwards (Ryder and Kovalev) do not believe willing to go in front of the net. Instead Koivu (too small) Higgins (too small) Pleks (too small) Sammy (too small) Lats (not strong enough all around yet,lacking grit for a North American, but could move into Ryders role very easily in the future) Streit (tough defenceman who seems to play a better offensive role, but not truely a skilled offensive player…) Bonk (tough enough but not a highly skilled scorer) Lapierre (big enough may step into Bonks role in the future. More offensive minded than Bonk but showing promise on PK and aggitation role, but not quit to the skill level of top 2 lines; maybe never will be…) Johnson (defensive role player, greatest asset is a third line shutdown role).

    St. Louis and Beirre are a couple the leagues the best scores. But how would they fare if the did not have their partners Lecavier and Vanik respectively. Or on a more noticeable note how had Gagne fared this season without Forsberg feeding him?

    Not sure a trade could instill any confidence at this point, but something has to be inserted or removed to kill this infectious losing attitude! Trading away some of our positives probably wouldn’t be the best move. We have one of the youngest teams on average, but we play a defensive style, which has only worked for teams with disciplined Veteran Defenseman and Goalies (Detroit and New Jersey). Combine that with the lack of pressure we have been getting from our offense and it is no wonder we in this predicament. When our Defensemen have to join in our offensive play (excluding non-breakaway situations), equals odd man rushes on our goalminders.

    We need a BIG offense player or players! It would be nice if they were young, talented and with some grit! Does such a player exist? Not in the current lineup and probably not in this trade deadline pool…

    Go Habs Go

  32. #32 I am Canadien says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    Hey BarrieHabFan,

    Did you use to work at G&T and is now at AG?? Formerly of G&T….

  33. #33 fan4066 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    We tried to go big in the 80’s there for awhile, we were ok (ie: Doug Wickenheiser, flop)…..the Flyers always were big in the 90’s, with scoring talent too….where did it get them in the end. Its not just having big talent players…they have to work well together too….Shane Doan would have been a nice pick up, he is that type of player you talk about.

  34. #34 smiler2729 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Who has a problem with Mike Johnson??? Only joshtm. Who’s has a problem with joshtm???!!!

    If nobody wants our trash, screw ’em, call up the young and hungry from Hamilton! Ever been to Hamilton??? Ugh. These guys will be so happy to be out of that polluted ugly place, they’ll play their asses off so they never have to go back!!! Send the underachieving millionaires down there, they can disappear like Alexander Mogilny!!!

    In Habs We Trust.

  35. #35 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    I am Not saying get rid of all the small fries! Just give them some muscle in front of the Net to work with. We are too dependent on our small guys and they’re all working from the perimeter. No REBOUNDS or screened shots to speak of…

  36. #36 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    I’ve read on other blogs that Gainey won’t make any trades, because he wants to keep his young prospects in Hamilton. The only prospects worth keeping, are the goalies: Halak, Price, and Danis. There is nobody else burning up the AHL, and that includes Grabovski and Kostityn. If these players were that good, they would be with the habs now. Besides, I’ve checked scoring in the AHL, and they aren’t in the top 10,or even close.
    I also read that Gainey won’t part with Souray or Markov, because:”it will upset our chemistry on the PP”. What chemistry? We no longer score PP goals. I think Bob is infatuated with his draft picks. Get over it , Bob! Your picks weren’t that good. Time to get off your high horse and do something to improve your team. But maybe Gainey really doesn’t care about this team, and especially not about the fans. He would rather we suffer the embarrassment of not making the playoffs, than improve this team. And I’ve got news for you Bob.
    It won’t be much better next year, because nobody wants to come and play here, so who are you going to sign? This franchise is going downhill fast. To think, in the 70’s everyone wanted to play for the Canadiens, and now, nobody wants to play here. What has changed? We still have the language problem, high taxes, and severe media pressure.
    The only thing that has changed, is we are no longer a respectable team, and WE’RE NOT WINNING! I guess players want to come to winning teams only, which would explain why Detroit always gets the good players.
    It also helps to have a GM like Sam Pollock was. Gainey, you’re no Sam Pollock, and Carbo, you’re no Scotty Bowman!

  37. #37 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    #135 fan4066 –

    Agree Doan what have fit nicely, but Phoenix thought the same thing and now they’re building the team around him.

    Also the flyers 90’s did not have great goaltending…which you can argue we have that same issue of late.

    Habs in the 80’s did have some small guys… Matts Naslund, Svoboda, Carbo and most of there teams for that matter. They were also always 1 or 2 in their conference standings and not sure if they were ever Not in the playoffs. The After the 86 cup in Late 80’s they were picked to win a couple of times, even upset in the finals one year.

  38. #38 fan4066 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    R habs 4 real, very, very good analogy. Every worg you have said, I absolutely agree with!

  39. Hockey is a game of “lines”. Each player in that line has a responsibility to his role. It is clear that the first line, the only player really playing well is Higgins. But you can’t expect him to be totally effective, especially if a large part of his game is to “clean up the mess” for goals. Someone on the line has to “make the mess”. The team’s challenges is now becoming greater because they feel urgent and desperate. That is not the way to win!!!

  40. #40 fan4066 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    139 coutNY_HabsFan,

    Mats was not small though, He 6’1″….I have his rookie card

  41. Sorry GP

    I love Higgins and I know you’ve worked with him but he has played very poorly as of late.

    He is well into the minus and hasn’t scored in ages.

  42. #42 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    #142 fan4066 – Not sure what card you’re looking at, but I had him at a Height 5 ft 7 in (1.7m) and Weight 161 lb (73 kg).

  43. I’M SAYING GET RID OF THE POPCORN SHRIMP,it’s enough guy’s. Our D is to small too and it’s cost us hasn’t it ? I for one am really tired of the Habs being pushed around like ragdolls ,which really shows when we play teams like the “1967 stanley cup champions” laffs.That’s one big reason why the Habs SUCK so badly and as the other team go to the finals ,thier going to mop the ice with the habs.Look,we can’t even win a fight and putting Niinimaa as a foward last nite showed me ,we are so fucked.I am embarrassed for all of us that the Habs is our team, truth is we are the laughing stock of Hockey and heads have too roll !!! Oh ya ,Frank go fuck yourself !!!

  44. #44 fan4066 says:
    February 15, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    144 coutNY_HabsFan,

    Really! There must be errors in the OPC cards. Is yours the 83-84 set? Show him leaning over his stick.

  45. CAUTION: Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. With a win tonight the Leafs will leapfrog the Habs and knock them out of the playoffs thereby completing their fall from grace. Enjoy the early golf :)

  46. #46 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    I wasn’t actually looking his card but I do have a 1987-88 set in storage. I was drawing personal knowledge and backing it up with stuff on-line. I was big fan of his in my youth. I tried to find a picture of the card you are talking about but the online quality does not allow me to see his info. If he was listed as 6-1, I would bet it was an error. Here is another refernce from the hockeyDB:

    Not that it is a big deal how big he was I guess, too bad he’s not around to help the team now, possible as a Offensive coach.

  47. #47 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    For all you fans who think this team is fast, you’re wrong. Firstly, Souray is one of the slowest D men in the league. That’s why opponents get to the puck before him. Latendresse , Ryder, and Plekanec can’t skate. The only fast guys are Kovu and Samsonov , and they can’t score. So where is our great speed?
    We aren’t the flying frenchmen anymore.
    The teams with speed are: Buffalo, Tampa, and Atlanta.
    We’re: a) too SMALL, b) not TOUGH c) not TALENTED
    d)GUTLESS, e)NO TRUE GOAL SCORER, f)can’t SKATE, g) don’t HIT enough, h)not PHYSICALLY STRONG on the puck i) WE DON’T HAVE AN ENFORCER.
    In other words, we can’t compete at the same level as teams like Ottawa, Buffalo, and NJ. That is why we always lose to them. They are in the upper echilons of the league, and we are in the bottom of the heap.
    We simply overachieved for 2 months, and then got a dose of reality, and came back down to earth. guys, even in Oct and Nov, WE WERE WORSE THAN OUR RECORD INDICATED!

  48. #48 coutNY_HabsFan says:
    February 15, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    146 fan4066 here is the 1988-89 card stats with readable information:

  49. #49 R habs 4 real says:
    February 15, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    Actually, FRANK, with a win, the laffs will only TIE us, not leapfrog. Check your math.

  50. The reason Bob is this, you overpay all your players, thats why you can’t trade any of them.People say you made a good trade to get rid of Theo, but you gave him that big contract. To trade for 2.500.000 Niinimaa to sit in the stands makes no sense.You make bad moves all the time. You want something good for something bad,thats why you don’t make any trades.Here’s a trade for you RYAN Smith and BERGERON for Koivu if he’d waive his no trade clause and Souray. Smith would add some grit and heart to this team. Then trade Samy, Rivet,and a 4th draft choice for Seabrook. Now you got 2 young def. and some heart and start building your team arould players like this, For a team that is so close to the cap, this team sucks.

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