Comments on: TONY MARINARO’s REBUILDING PLAN FOR MONTREAL CANADIENS. http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:27:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Senet1 http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53166 Senet1 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:16:39 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53166 Althought I agree with Tony about locking up Price long term, 5 years would be my target, we do not want to get in the same position that the Islanders did and have a big contract long term for a goalie that does not play due to constant injury. Althought I agree with Tony about locking up Price long term, 5 years would be my target, we do not want to get in the same position that the Islanders did and have a big contract long term for a goalie that does not play due to constant injury.

]]> By: Senet1 http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53165 Senet1 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:07:10 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53165 There are certain teams who have certain players that either are not performing or they need to get rid of them due to cap space or both. Horton is one in Florida, there are teams struggle with offence and teams who need defence. We have players with potential to score who are not scoring, we have an abundance of defence. Right now the way the way the defence are playing without Markov, Gill could be potential for trade bait if not now then at the trading dealine. Personally the way Mara is playing steady stay at home defenceman, and he is big, Gill is probably expendable. Everyone complains about how slow he is, my concern is what kind of shape will he be in by the time he is healthy. We could use his cap space and Mara could then be signed longer term as he is UFA end of the year. That also makes room of webber or Suban next year. I do not like a gun put to my head and that is why Sergie has to be traded before he jumps ship for the KHL. If we get more by trading him as his brother then I say they both go. I believe that Andre will show that he can score 25-30 goals for any team in his first year, but what about long range. Florida are looking to rebuild, so they want productive youth, we should be able to engineer a three for one to ge Horton. We need to give Plex some encouragement to want to sign next year if he sees he is going to get second line support then he is more likely to sign, if we had the cap space Gainey could afford to give him a decent raise which is deserves the way he is playing this year. Perhaps even the letter "C". He is just coming into his own this year, minus Kovalev is the best thing to happen to him. I agree with you about the Gomez trade, the cap space is a problem hopefully over time we can work around that though. Possible renegotiate a lower salary over longer term? Anyway these are some of my thoughts. There are certain teams who have certain players that either are not performing or they need to get rid of them due to cap space or both. Horton is one in Florida, there are teams struggle with offence and teams who need defence. We have players with potential to score who are not scoring, we have an abundance of defence. Right now the way the way the defence are playing without Markov, Gill could be potential for trade bait if not now then at the trading dealine. Personally the way Mara is playing steady stay at home defenceman, and he is big, Gill is probably expendable. Everyone complains about how slow he is, my concern is what kind of shape will he be in by the time he is healthy. We could use his cap space and Mara could then be signed longer term as he is UFA end of the year. That also makes room of webber or Suban next year. I do not like a gun put to my head and that is why Sergie has to be traded before he jumps ship for the KHL. If we get more by trading him as his brother then I say they both go. I believe that Andre will show that he can score 25-30 goals for any team in his first year, but what about long range. Florida are looking to rebuild, so they want productive youth, we should be able to engineer a three for one to ge Horton. We need to give Plex some encouragement to want to sign next year if he sees he is going to get second line support then he is more likely to sign, if we had the cap space Gainey could afford to give him a decent raise which is deserves the way he is playing this year. Perhaps even the letter “C”. He is just coming into his own this year, minus Kovalev is the best thing to happen to him. I agree with you about the Gomez trade, the cap space is a problem hopefully over time we can work around that though. Possible renegotiate a lower salary over longer term? Anyway these are some of my thoughts.

]]> By: Mats Naslund http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53160 Mats Naslund Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:52:57 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53160 The problem with trades is that while you always think that there is a deal somewhere out there to be had, the other team is thinking the exact same thing. It is HARD to land an impact player without seriously jepardizing your future. Think about the Gomez trade. Gainey trades Higgins who has struggled for two years, Janick who was an add on and a prospect (McDonaugh) who had fallen in the eyes of the organization, and was nowhere near being able to crack the Habs and Valentenko (who was never going to report from Russia) roster for Gomez and Pyatt (who has played 7 games in the NHL this year), along with Busto who is in the AHL. Montreal got the best player and a player who was able to step up immediately - and yet Gainaey gets heat for taking on a bad contract. These deals dont come together very often. It was a coup for Montreal to get a top centre for a guy who has 5 points in 20 games. Unless Montreal can find a similar deal - with a team who needs us as much as we need them - then we can forget a trade. The problem with trades is that while you always think that there is a deal somewhere out there to be had, the other team is thinking the exact same thing. It is HARD to land an impact player without seriously jepardizing your future. Think about the Gomez trade. Gainey trades Higgins who has struggled for two years, Janick who was an add on and a prospect (McDonaugh) who had fallen in the eyes of the organization, and was nowhere near being able to crack the Habs and Valentenko (who was never going to report from Russia) roster for Gomez and Pyatt (who has played 7 games in the NHL this year), along with Busto who is in the AHL. Montreal got the best player and a player who was able to step up immediately – and yet Gainaey gets heat for taking on a bad contract. These deals dont come together very often. It was a coup for Montreal to get a top centre for a guy who has 5 points in 20 games. Unless Montreal can find a similar deal – with a team who needs us as much as we need them – then we can forget a trade.

]]> By: Senet1 http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53158 Senet1 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:02:43 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53158 If we target the teams at the bottom of the standings, who are struggling like us, there must be some players who are struggling who fit the bill. I suggested Cole, Horton, and Stall as examples but not necessarily the guys we want. If we target the teams at the bottom of the standings, who are struggling like us, there must be some players who are struggling who fit the bill. I suggested Cole, Horton, and Stall as examples but not necessarily the guys we want.

]]> By: Senet1 http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53157 Senet1 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:25:40 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53157 Matt's I am curious, I have suggested that if possible, I would like to see a couple of bigger forwards with some offensive skill upside at least to bring in for our second line or possibly one for each of our top two lines and moving Cammy to the second line with Plex. Of course my thought is that a couple of bigger forwards would provide us with the crash the net type players who would be harder to handle and maybe we would get a few more garbage goals. What are your thoughts on this, and what ideas do you have? Matt’s I am curious, I have suggested that if possible, I would like to see a couple of bigger forwards with some offensive skill upside at least to bring in for our second line or possibly one for each of our top two lines and moving Cammy to the second line with Plex. Of course my thought is that a couple of bigger forwards would provide us with the crash the net type players who would be harder to handle and maybe we would get a few more garbage goals. What are your thoughts on this, and what ideas do you have?

]]> By: Mats Naslund http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53156 Mats Naslund Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:29:25 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53156 I agree with a couple things suggested by Marinaro, but disagree more often than not. If being GM was anything like NHL10 on my xbox, then his suggestions would be plausible. Unfortunately it is NOTHING like NHL10. Gainey has made some poor decisions. That is known. He would probably admit to them. That said, there isn't a team in the league that couldn't catalogue their near-misses, and disapointing results. His solution is ridiculous - Trade 9-10 players? He suggests it like its even a possibility. Its not - at all. One trade is hard enough to make in the NHL without getting completely ripped off by the other team. Marinaro suggests making bad trades to land Quebecois players... is he kidding? This simply shows how easy it is to build a championship team when reality is no factor. Gainey unfortunately operates within the uncomfortable confines of the real world, and as such is bound to its laws and effects. My only question is - how has the Montreal escaped its kung-fu grip? I agree with a couple things suggested by Marinaro, but disagree more often than not. If being GM was anything like NHL10 on my xbox, then his suggestions would be plausible. Unfortunately it is NOTHING like NHL10. Gainey has made some poor decisions. That is known. He would probably admit to them. That said, there isn’t a team in the league that couldn’t catalogue their near-misses, and disapointing results. His solution is ridiculous – Trade 9-10 players? He suggests it like its even a possibility. Its not – at all. One trade is hard enough to make in the NHL without getting completely ripped off by the other team. Marinaro suggests making bad trades to land Quebecois players… is he kidding?

This simply shows how easy it is to build a championship team when reality is no factor. Gainey unfortunately operates within the uncomfortable confines of the real world, and as such is bound to its laws and effects. My only question is – how has the Montreal escaped its kung-fu grip?

]]> By: Senet1 http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53152 Senet1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:44:37 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53152 I like some of Tony's ideas, especially the over haul of our scoutdepartment. This is long overdue. I also like Andre Savard as a potential GM. Actually if you look at the more recent top draft picks, they were engineered by Savard not Gainey. Actually I think he would make a great GM. Trading the entire team is a little off the wall, although there is nothing wrong with trying it but saying and doing are two different things. So by trading deadline and if we are in the same situation we are in now then I say give it a try. You could probably expect at least 30-50% of those ideas come true. I personally do not think we have that bad of a team, I think it needs direction by better coaching and probably better management which includes scouting. It also needs a go to guy we seem to have a go to line, but the one superstar is always important to have. We have a solid 3 and 4th line and a good first line. We don't have a good second line, potential is there but it has not shown up yet. Our defence is average, could be better than average if Markov comes back healthy. Our PP is killing us right now and that is something we have depended on for that last three years. PK has improved lately but a lot of that has been that our goaltending has improved as well. Anyway I am in favour of the majority of the ideas that Tony has put forward. This is what we need more of in our blog rather than what we have been seeing lately. Thanks Tony for putting your ideas forward. I like some of Tony’s ideas, especially the over haul of our scoutdepartment. This is long overdue. I also like Andre Savard as a potential GM. Actually if you look at the more recent top draft picks, they were engineered by Savard not Gainey. Actually I think he would make a great GM. Trading the entire team is a little off the wall, although there is nothing wrong with trying it but saying and doing are two different things. So by trading deadline and if we are in the same situation we are in now then I say give it a try. You could probably expect at least 30-50% of those ideas come true.

I personally do not think we have that bad of a team, I think it needs direction by better coaching and probably better management which includes scouting. It also needs a go to guy we seem to have a go to line, but the one superstar is always important to have. We have a solid 3 and 4th line and a good first line. We don’t have a good second line, potential is there but it has not shown up yet.
Our defence is average, could be better than average if Markov comes back healthy. Our PP is killing us right now and that is something we have depended on for that last three years. PK has improved lately but a lot of that has been that our goaltending has improved as well.
Anyway I am in favour of the majority of the ideas that Tony has put forward. This is what we need more of in our blog rather than what we have been seeing lately.
Thanks Tony for putting your ideas forward.

]]> By: stevehab http://www.habsblog.com/the-habs/tony-marinaro%e2%80%99s-rebuilding-plan-for-montreal-canadiens/comment-page-1/#comment-53151 stevehab Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:45:51 +0000 http://www.habsblog.com/?p=990#comment-53151 Some very interesting thoughts from Tony Marinaro. I have to say I think he's telling it like it is. The Habs need an overhaul and unfortunately I believe alot of off ice personnel will be gone. A thought, do anyone think the Habs would have any chance of getting Scotty Bowman to oversee the whole Habs operation??? I think they'd need to sign him to at least 3-5 years but I don't know if Scotty would be willijg to commit to that at this time of his hockey career. (I also know he LOVES working side by side his son in Hawksville.) Some very interesting thoughts from Tony Marinaro. I have to say I think he’s telling it like it is. The Habs need an overhaul and unfortunately I believe alot of off ice personnel will be gone.
A thought, do anyone think the Habs would have any chance of getting Scotty Bowman to oversee the whole Habs operation??? I think they’d need to sign him to at least 3-5 years but I don’t know if Scotty would be willijg to commit to that at this time of his hockey career. (I also know he LOVES working side by side his son in Hawksville.)

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