Toronto’s Crumbling
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The Toronto Maple Leafs are imploding.
The Leafs have dropped to 14th in the Conference and there’s been rampant speculation that John Ferguson tried to fire Paul Maurice, a move he made no doubt trying to save himself.
What better time for the Habs to take advantage and get back into the win column?
Could a Habs win tonight be the one that sends John Ferguson Jr packing?
Ferguson is on his way out, sooner or later. The only thing to worry about is getting the two points against a vulnerable team and get back to winning.
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- Avatar37 : pressure playing in Montreal, since he has problems with the expectations in Washington and Montreal isn't any easier. Then again, the media were very easy on Kovalev, so maybe it's a Russian thing? No idea. Anyway, yeah, it would have to be an established star that gives us an immediate drastic upgrade at forward, that's the only way I'd trade PK, because we'd be giving up a potential QB on our blueline for the next decade.
- Avatar37 : Goalie - Sure, the only player I'd say who is untradeable (meaning I wouldn't trade no matter what) is Carey Price. You build a winning team from the net out, and I don't think there's a better goalie for his age in the NHL than Price, so I wouldn't trade him. Otherwise, every player would be open for offers, but for PK Subban, it would take (for me) an already established star, like Carter or Crosby or Ovechkin. As much as I like Ovechkin, I'm not sure he could handle all the media pre
- goalie : I'm not suggesting at all that we judst dump or get rid of PK. I do however believe that he is a very valued commodity in the NHL adn that the Habs will receive offers for his services. If someone ffers us young, strong, puck handling forwards who can score, I think the Habs have to look at that possible trade.
- Avatar37 : Agreed. It would be a big mistake to trade PK just to move up 2 spots in the draft. PK, Emelin, and Gorges are the bright future of our defense.
- Senet1 : I am with you Avatar, Subban stays, it is not often that you get a stud defenceman who can play 25+ minutes. The mistakes he makes are for the most part not that serious and people forget he is only 23 and been in the league 2 years. He has come a long way in those two years. He has offense, defence and he hits. You cannot bet much better than that. Two more years experience and he has a shot at the Norris. If Markov does anything I hope he teaches PK how to work the PP.
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- Avatar37 : round exit. Heck, even the year they won the cup we almost took them out in round 1. I believe in the corps of this team, I really think we just need a few tweaks. Adding Larry Robinson to run the defense would be a BIG help, keep Cunneyworth as offensive coach, and get a head coach who can get these guys back on the right path. We need to establish an identity again, a team that won't let itself be pushed around like it was under Martin. A few scrappers on this team and we'll be good to
- Avatar37 : Yeah, the only way I'd trade PK is if we were getting an established star in return, like Carter or Crosby. I don't think we're miles away from competing deep into the playoffs, the NHL has become so competitive because of the salary cap that really there aren't huge differences between the teams. Add into the equation the stupid scoring system (some games worth 2 points, some 3) that the standings don't truly reflect where teams should really be. Look at Boston, cup winners to first rou
- Senet1 : It would have to be something pretty special before I would trade PK. To me he is the #1 building block of our defence. I would trade any other defenceman we have before I would trade PK.
- Senet1 : An improvement in our offense and strengthening our defence. Personally, I do not think we are that far off, five players at best could get us there. One thing that has always been true about the playoffs, Defence wins and you need a strong 3rd and 4th line.
- goalie : I'm more optimistic now about the Habs than I have been for the past three dreadfully long seasons!
- goalie : 2: I think GM Bergevin will make somewhat of a 'blockbuster't rade either before or on the day of the draft adn I believe PK Subban will be in that package. WE have t rememebr we have to give away some talent to get back other talent. No one wants players like Moen to move up in the draft etc.
- goalie : Some thoughts:The more I see the playoffs it becomes even more obvious that we're miles away from being able to 'compete' dep into the playoffs
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- Senet1 : Young Subban might also be an option if the Russian goalie is not available. However, to me I would wait another year and attempt to use my draft 2nd round draft picks to improve out forward situation.
- Senet1 : Although Rinne contact is another example of long term at the wrong time. He is 29 years old. A case could be made with Price that double his money now with bonuses if we win the cup, I think that is still allowed in contracts?
- Senet1 : Problem is he is going to want Pekka Rinne money and term. That is closer to 7M. On the other hand, the contract could have step up clauses in it over the 7 years.
- Avatar37 : With Price, I wouldn't blink twice about offering him a 7 year contract now, especially if he'd be willing to give up dollar value for length. 7 years at $5.5 million a year would be just fine in my book.
- Avatar37 : I think the goaltending void in our current system would push me to draft Vasilevski with our second pick, if he was available. He's young and has lots of potential, but is at least 5-6 years away from starting to be ready to play on an NHL roster.
- Senet1 : Long tern contracts are a risk, but if you have a super star not as much. Luongo's contract was long term but signed too late in his career.
- Avatar37 : Senet - Yes, you were clear in your post, my question was directed at goalie. I'm with you in that I'd be willing to sign him to a 7 year contract. I'd be nervous about anything longer, because every single long term goalie contract I can think of turned out to be a disaster for the team signing it.
- Senet1 : I think that Budaj is a better goalie than many give him credit for, is he a Price no but with a tight defence he could be a good goalie. Many teams have average goalies but have great defence and still win. Look at Detroit, for years they have had average goaltending, but won cups. Goalies can get on a roll in the playoffs, look at Huet as an example, he was not really a good goalie but played great in the playoffs, next year he was a wash. Defence makes the goalie a winner, just ask Price.
- Senet1 : Having a young equivalent goalie in the system right now is not important, three years from now it will be, so we have three years to make that kind of move in the draft. I think we have more pressing needs aat the moment.
- Senet1 : Personally, I do not see this as a negative because of Price's age, you wait to draft a goalie of a Patrick Roy or Brodeur some teams wait a life time. To me we have on so why would we want to not play that out for as long as we can. Bottom line is this, regardless, right now you have a stud goalie, you are either going to pay him the money he deserves for not sign him and lose him. There is no middle of the road here.
- goalie : Avatar made a great point. We don't have an NHL or up adn coming NHL goalies in our system. Another great move by Gauthier. Price is sitting very pretty.
- goalie : WEll Price has us by the nads. I guess I'd have to go as far as a 7 year contract due to his play adn his age.
- Senet1 : Luongo is now 33, he has been a good goaltender for a number of years. I would sign Price for 7 years and at age 31 then we deal with UFA at that time. Hopefully, we could provide him with another 5 years at that time. That is my opinion anyway, I would never risk losing him as a UFA at this point in his career to me that would be a very poor management decision. Even a 10 year contract would put him only at 34 years old. If you are going to sign him to long term now is the time.
- Senet1 : If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him a contract that is worthy of his abilities and his potential. It can have escalation clauses or reducing clauses like Kovalchuk's contract.
- Senet1 : Avatar, I thought I was clear Yes I would sign him long term. My previous post said. The problem is if you have a out in the contract after 5 years then the player also has an out after 5 years. So no self respected lawyer would accept a contract that did not have equal escape clauses. So no I would not sign only for 5 years, if Price was 28 years old yes but not a 24. Seven years still only makes him 31 when the contract is over. If you have a young stud you have to gamble a little and give him
- Avatar37 : Cammalleri trade. Given the fact that we have no NHL starting quality goaltenders in the system currently, aren't we held hostage to having to sign Price?
- Avatar37 : There are many bad goalie contracts, just look at Huet. However, your post didn't answer my question as to what you'd do with Price. He's an RFA now, but for argument sake, if he were a UFA, what would you do? If he wanted a 7+ year contract, you know some other team would give him one. Would you risk losing him for nothing because you didn't want to sign a contract over 5 years? And if we lose Price, our goalies are Budaj and Robert Mayer, as we sent Karri Ramo to the Flames in the Cam
- goalie : .. a 5 years contract again based upon the experience he has had AND he likes Bobby Lou!
- goalie : Ditto for Philly, Ther goaltender 'situations' have both become the number 1 story line for both teams, and in Vancouver one could see the exaspiration on Gillis' adn to some extent Vigneault's faces when continously being bombarded by the loooong term contract that the Canucks are stuct with. (Gillis even said last February or so, thank goodness it looks like more than few other teams will be looking for a starting goaltender for 2012-13. He said he would never again do more than a 5 year c
- goalie : I've spent the past four winters in BC thus I am very aware of the Canucks situations. I'd first say I give Gillis adn Vigneault 100% credit for being VERY supportive of Roberto L. even when Corey Schenider has vastly out played him. (I too like Bobby Lou but facts are facts).
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November 27, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Guys,we have to win this one. I know that Toronto has their reasons too,but come on. No one really cares for the leafs lol.
November 27, 2007 at 4:31 pm
They maybe 14th but they can still beat the habs……
That’s the scary part……………
November 27, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Leafs 5, Habs 2. Toronto scores an empty net goal at the end.
Predictions are ridiculous, of course, but Toronto is going to be desperate and Montreal will probably be nonchalant like they have been for the past few games. If Toronto loses, then that’s the end of this team. If Montreal loses, Carbo will shake things up at the edges with a few demotions/promotions.
November 27, 2007 at 6:25 pm
I’ll tell you why I’m scared, it always seems that when every team in the league is beating the Leafs, our boys choke. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not my prediction. As long as we can score goals, we’ll be okay…I’m not worried about our defensive game tonight.
November 27, 2007 at 6:50 pm
There one in the front page that came up with a funny nick name for Guillaume latendresse.->GUY LATALENTLESS…looooooooooooooooooooooooooooll
November 27, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Hey: Jason Blake has more all star votes from “fans of the game” than Kovalev. Um. Jason Blake has only a few more goals this season in the NHL than I do.
November 27, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Well wasn’t that just a dramatic start– outshot 16-6 in the first period,
just another in a string of gutless performances by the Habs….did any player stand out in that period ?? other than a good job by Price, and a few good moves by Koivu, everyone else ??? Garbage !!!!
November 27, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Wish my French was better so I could watch in on RDS – can’t stand listening to Glen and gang
November 27, 2007 at 11:43 pm
how many games is it now they have pissed away in the dying seconds of a game ?
Koivu, sorry-but you have outstayed your welcome, you are paid to put the puck in the net, and you can no longer due that with any regularity, Sundin does you don’t…the facts speak for themselves, it’s time to move on.
Over all I’m not sure the Habs deserved 2 points for that effort–a totally
lousy first period, and even worse last minute of play, no way Leaf should
have received a point out of that mess.
November 28, 2007 at 2:35 am
Well that game summed up the word kayos for me,Lats did score one,lol;and the Zamboni incident,well I never seen that before !Kovalev,U are the man!I am worried at the prospect of playing Jersey,keep Price in net,GO HABS.
November 28, 2007 at 3:25 am
The Leafs didn’t play at all desperately–just looked like a normal game for them, and at home no less in spite of all the talk etc.
To get out-shot that badly against a team of Toronto’s caliber after having lost two in a row is not a good sign for the status quo. Don’t get me wrong, I think the Habs have the fundamentals of a good hockey team–good goalies, good defense, and a few forwards who can put the puck in the net (yes, they could use more scoring). But the problem here is under-performance; Latendresse played better tonight, but why are Smolinski and Ryder so scared of the corners? And why is Ryder more predictable than a good men’s league player? I’m sure they’ve told him to “simplify his game”, but surely that doesn’t entail snapshot after snapshot into shinpad after shinpad.
We’ve long known about Ryder’s defensive liabilities, and so without his scoring he’s simply a liability. And it may be telling that Koivu played so hard tonight after Ryder was taken off his line. Higgins is clearly hurt, but Koivu really seemed to pick up his effort tonight (minus the last shift).
Lastly, Markov can’t play so many critical situations without getting warn out at the end of the year. He’s unprotected and so the team’s are running him, and he’s doing way more than a sustainable amount for the team. It’s just a matter of time before exhaustion sets in or before he gets injured. Get a fighter, and a very scary one at that!
November 28, 2007 at 11:02 am
“Wish my French was better so I could watch in on RDS – can’t stand listening to Glen and gang”
I wish I had RDS, the only game that I could watch here in Buffalo was Calgary and Detroit. LOL
November 28, 2007 at 11:49 am
What a game, what better way to take advantage of a team that sucks in Shootouts then with a team that is one of the best in Shootouts. And Koveys 2 pp goals… WOW. Good game though, it was an awesome game to watch and probably alot better to be there.
November 28, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Gillette should buy the Tampabay Lightning and trade Vinny to Montreal>>>>>>
November 28, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Gillette should buy the Tampabay Lightning and trade Vinny to Montreal>>>>>>
I totally agree with that statement. That would be awesome to see Vinny in the red, white and blue!
November 28, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Well he will be an UFA next year we can always hope.
November 28, 2007 at 6:49 pm
I’m not sure where you guys are located, but I live in Alberta and I bought Starchoice for RDS–I pay less than cable, I get better channels, and this year they started offering RDS as a separate channel (for like 3$ a month) rather than part of the French package. So I get all the Habs games for next to no money, and I still pay less than I did for cable…
November 28, 2007 at 10:21 pm
does anyone know if RDS is available in Vanc area??
Groundworking–I like what you have to say, I gotta check this out, I had starchoice and dumped it..it was just pissing money down a gopher hole,
15 channels all having the same program on at once, and that was repeated
over and over, I dumped it…..
I don’t think Tampa will let Vinny get away easy, he might not yet have a
no-trade clause…could possibly be a trade target for the Habs, sure would be nice to see.. earlier in the season before he started playing so well, I was kind of hoping his game wouldn’t come around to help the trade thing, but now he is smoking..he is a player the Habs need, fans would love him.
November 29, 2007 at 11:49 am
Vinny would be unreal… and Tampa will not be able to afford come 09-10
Lecavalier, Vincent C 27 6.875 187 6.875 6.000, 7.167, 7.167 for 07-08, 7.167 for 08-09, UFA for 09-10
He’s a high paid player, which we could afford for 08-09 or 09-10… all we could offer would be a mix of Huet, Ryder, + draft picks to trade him for next season… but I still don’t think Vinny will be a commodity Tampa would release, Richards possibly as he is overpaid and underproducing for the $$$ he’s making
Vinny in Red, white, and blue would be a dream for our team
November 29, 2007 at 1:55 pm
I agree about the repeated channels, especially for those in the WEST (we don’t get to time shift as much as they do out East, because all the good shows are over in the EAST when prime time hits out here). But the only reason I got Starchoice was to be able to watch Habs games on RDS–last year I had to buy the whole bilingual package for like 13$ a month, but this year they stopped even selling the bilingual package online and started selling RDS separately instead–I suspect b/c people complained about having to get all the French channels in order to get RDS.
I have one or two steps up from the basic channels, which gives me the news channels (CNN etc.), some stuff for my daughter (Treenhouse), Discovery, A&E, Showcase, Bravo, the Sports channels, the networks (and all the Canadian nets from all regions of the country), a bunch of other channels, plus RDS. I pay less than 60$ a month, and in the summer I usually cancel everything and pay only 19$ a month.
November 29, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I get RDS here in ontario with BELL EXPREES VU very cheap aswell i think only a few bucks a month.Star choice did not carry RDS going back a few years ago atleast not in ontario east anyways.
November 29, 2007 at 4:33 pm
K guys lets beat NewJersey tomorrow and get right back on a hot streak! Ryder is now on pace for 34 pts! he has to go!!!!! I don’t know how It will be done,but he will have to go soon!
November 29, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Yeah Pactum. Starchoice didn’t carry RDS even last year as a separate channel. I had go get the bilingual package and then a specific French option I believe. But they may not have carried it all a few years back anywhere–I suspect it’s standard right across the country (with the exception that we can’t get some X-rated and Horror Movie channels out here, such as Leafs TV).
The Habs need to pick up their game. I take more heart from good efforts and a loss than poor efforts and a win. The Leafs game was better than the Buffalo games, but still not good enough for the playoffs. Ryder will break out of his slump, though I think he’d be better in the minors getting some of his confidence back–he’d score a couple of goals every night. The guy is a goal scorer and it must really suck to have lost that ability so far this year.
November 29, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Bell expressvu has rds hd, you get some other french channels as well, $5 a month, well worth it. Every game in hd.
November 29, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Price get’s the start Friday
November 29, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Guys….I speculated last week ( see sabres post) that Recchi might come back….speculation tonight is Recchi for Halak, to be done by friday.
Now I know he’s an older guy, but WHAT a presense he is in the room, and one thing you can say for him is he always gives it 110% and leaves it out there on the ice. I for one would love to see him back. I can certainly see a few spots on the roster where he’d fit in quite nicely.
November 29, 2007 at 8:31 pm
We could get recchi for a late pick no doubt or he might even be put on waivers in my opinion.Why on earth would gainey give up halak? Maybe if our GM’s name was john ferguson jr.
November 29, 2007 at 10:02 pm
I’d trade Halek for Recchi. Halek isn’t doing too well in the AHL, we already have Price, and the team may lose Halek anyway to dissatisfaction stemming from what he sees as a demotion this year. I have also heard that Recchi has said he expects to be traded this week, but this is the first I’ve heard of the Montreal rumor. Nice work digging that up!
November 29, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Are you speculating or reporting a rumor? If just speculation, then I’d probably disagree. I think he’ll go to Ottawa. If you are not speculating, then I’ll believe you, though. And if you’re speculating and turn out to be correct, then please speculate more!
November 29, 2007 at 10:08 pm
If you all go with the FTA satellite system; then you’ll see every Habs game. I have the FTA and I haven’t missed a Habs game all year.
November 29, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Just checked NHL stats machine. No deal! For God sake, we do not need an 8 point veteran on the team with so much youth fighting for a spot. I tend to forget that people get older, and that getting older starts to be a bad thing at a certain age.
November 29, 2007 at 10:48 pm
#3- HabsFan4life
I have not heard of the FTA system, is it avail everywhere?
I’d pay the bucks to catch all the Habs games.
Thanks
November 29, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Sorry..I meant post # 30 not 3
November 29, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Last week, I was speculating. Today I am following Pierre Maguire,Mr. Richardson of Spectors, and Eklund the idiot,so I guess I am reiterating rumors I have read…..
I’m only the messenger remember.
Its true Recchi has had a slow year. I guess the only thing I remember is how he played against the habs this year….dammit, what a pest I remember saying.I still think he would dig up more pucks than Ryder playing with Koivu and Higgy, and can certainly handle the puck better. If you look closely at those stats, you’ll see that he was not playing with the likes of Crosby or Malkin, or even staal ( spelling) for that matter. I’m sure ( and I know I’m the only one that feels this way)that he would generate some loose pucks with his speed ( still #3 skater on the pens with speed this year in team contests)as opposed to Ryder giving it away when he has lots of time to make a pass.I for one would take him for now, just for his room presense and dont think he would mess up chemistry, but rather would enhance it.
my two cents….
still say you’ll see him here, maybe even for the weekend against Nashville who ( god blessem ) beat Ottawa tonight ( 5 in a row)