Toronto’s Crumbling
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The Toronto Maple Leafs are imploding.
The Leafs have dropped to 14th in the Conference and there’s been rampant speculation that John Ferguson tried to fire Paul Maurice, a move he made no doubt trying to save himself.
What better time for the Habs to take advantage and get back into the win column?
Could a Habs win tonight be the one that sends John Ferguson Jr packing?
Ferguson is on his way out, sooner or later. The only thing to worry about is getting the two points against a vulnerable team and get back to winning.
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- goalie : Didn't get to see the game at all but it's great to see Pacs get a hat trick and fpor Cole to be + 3. When was the last time this team won three games in a row? Great victory -looks like they're giving 100% effort!
- Senet1 : 4-2 win habs
- Senet1 : Gomez scores, Yea!!!
- goalie : As I said yesterday it will be interesting to see what our lame ass GM gets for players he ships out. Bourque is good and he'll help us but I still think we could have gotten more for him and for Halak when he was traded.
- Avatar37 : round those picks occur (probably 3rd).
- Avatar37 : An interesting article. If we slip to the 5th or 7th draft pick, a very interesting case could be made for drafting Galchenyuk. If we wind up with the second or third pick, I'm not sure who I'd draft, because clearly Yakupov is going to be drafted first overall. Our second round pick also becomes interesting, I know I'd take Vasilevski if he were still available. It will also be interesting to see if we can turn some of our veteran players (Moen, Gill, Campoli) into draft picks, and what
- Avatar37 : «link»
- Avatar37 : That is why PG should have waited on trading Cammalleri. Right now, there is a high demand for a top 6 forward, we could have gotten much more than Bourque in return. That isn't a knock against Bourque, but a knock against a knee-jerk reaction trade that didn't maximize our return on a top asset.
- Avatar37 : «link»
- Avatar37 : chips fall where they may. After all, the only difference between finishing 17th and 29th is how good a pick you get in the draft.
- Avatar37 : We currently sit in 26th place in the league. We are 15 points ahead of Columbus, it's safe to bet at this point they will place last. We are, however, only 4 points ahead of Edmonton so it's still wide open as to who is going to finish second last. I still think that it's time to sit the veterans, play the youth, let them get experience, and regroup for next year. I'm not suggesting deliberately tanking like the Penguins, but give all our young players lots of playing time and let the c
- Avatar37 : goalie - If it were not for the play of Cammalleri, we would never have made it out of round 1. Cammalleri played as big a part, if not bigger, than Halak did. Sure, Halak played well, but remember the team collapsed in front of him, making his job much easier. We had lots of blocked shots and the ones that got through were typically from the outside.
- Senet1 : Goalie you are absolutely right, of course the one thing we had the two previous years that won the games that we are losing this year was our power play. If you look at say 10 games that we should have won had we had a similar power play, again we would not be having these conversations. When your PP goes from first to last in the league that is a lot of goals.How many games have we lost this year by one goal. Again poor management who did not prepare for Markov's possible absence.
- goalie : I'll put it another way.... we need more players who are willing to get their noses dirty.
- goalie : Two years ago when our goaltending stole series adn our players suddenly scored the coaches / GM believed that that was our true team . Well time has proven that was not. Though I was very glad to see the Habs knock off some very good teams we were very fortunate. And fortunate that spring was spelled HALAK!
- goalie : The wrst mistake management could possibly make I believe is to say, we played well some games and we believe the team can play to that level more often in the future. This team CANNOT adnb DOES NOT play to a high enough level. Please do not kid yourself mamngement. hat is partially why we're in the lace we are.
- goalie : Senet is correct when he says that if we had more games with a better efort this year we'd likely be in the playoffs. It has been very inconsistent effort but much more than that. We lack big, tough playing and finishing. Never mind fighting for a moment. We did not compete for the pucks nor along the boards nor in front of both nets enough this year. Thus we are in 29th. If the coaching staff doesn't see that then they shouldn't be there.
- Senet1 : Surely Molson is not going to keep him as the GM?
- Senet1 : when he knows he will be fired at the end of the season. Nothing really makes since in this whole process.
- Senet1 : I am not sue why PG has not been fired by now. They could be waiting for another GM to come available at season end, but why would you not set up a committee to manage the team in the short run until a new GM can be named. There is no since in chaning coaches because whoever the GM is he will want to name his own coach. Gainey and a committe of other executives can manage the team through to the trading deadline and onward. What motivation does PG have to making any worthwhile trades when he is
- Senet1 : I am too mch of a competitor to want my team to tank to. However, If these players played like they ae cabable of playing all year we would not be having this discussion right now, we woud be talking about the playoffs and who we would rather meet in the first round.
- rocky : Exactly, and Senet nails it when he says we have not had an elite top 5 in the nhl player since lafleur.
- goalie : I too want the Habs to get the best possible draft this June. We all need SOME hope!
- rocky : He is persona non grata in habville, and a ghost in every sense of the term.
- goalie : It remains a miracle how we have heard from our mighty GM twice since Christmas - the trades involving Spacek and Cammy and those comments were extremely brief. PG just does not cut it in my world. Part of a GMs job is to go public from time to time. PG never does that in fact he's a ghost GM!
- rocky : Its true, there is no honor in that. These guys have only known the ethic of giving it all to win every night. I do not want them to "tank", and they will never do that anyway. I do want them to lose though, as awful as it sounds.
- goalie : Roicky as a good point. We all want the Habs to get a really good draft pick. However, players, coaches etc. also have a keen desire to compete and win. That's why they're playing at the pro level. Thus we can only hope that the team plays some good games and let the chips fall where they may. After the disasterous season we've had let's not lower ourselves adn get involved in any dscussions about 'tanking' games.
- rocky : So long.
- Senet1 : Good discussion rocky, I have to step out for an hour, but may be back later.
- Senet1 : The only way this team comes back to a team with long term potential is to draft a game breaker. Even all the other bad teams have a Stamkos or a player like him. He have some good player so what we need is a Malkin that we can count on 80% of the time to win a game for us.
- rocky : I mean winning will only do them harm that is.
- rocky : It really hurts because my reflexes make me want to cheer like mad, but it will only hurt the team now.
- Senet1 : Yes I have mixed feeling when watching the game. Last night I say here we go again. with our record of shoot losses I did not expect to win that one. Yet I wanted to win real bad?????
- rocky : God, so horrible to sit and hope for losses, but here we are.
- Senet1 : Our problem is we play one out of every 4 games good and therefore, we play well enough to stay on the borderline of a top five pick. If we win three or four in a row we could take ourselves right out of the running.
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November 27, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Guys,we have to win this one. I know that Toronto has their reasons too,but come on. No one really cares for the leafs lol.
November 27, 2007 at 4:31 pm
They maybe 14th but they can still beat the habs……
That’s the scary part……………
November 27, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Leafs 5, Habs 2. Toronto scores an empty net goal at the end.
Predictions are ridiculous, of course, but Toronto is going to be desperate and Montreal will probably be nonchalant like they have been for the past few games. If Toronto loses, then that’s the end of this team. If Montreal loses, Carbo will shake things up at the edges with a few demotions/promotions.
November 27, 2007 at 6:25 pm
I’ll tell you why I’m scared, it always seems that when every team in the league is beating the Leafs, our boys choke. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not my prediction. As long as we can score goals, we’ll be okay…I’m not worried about our defensive game tonight.
November 27, 2007 at 6:50 pm
There one in the front page that came up with a funny nick name for Guillaume latendresse.->GUY LATALENTLESS…looooooooooooooooooooooooooooll
November 27, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Hey: Jason Blake has more all star votes from “fans of the game” than Kovalev. Um. Jason Blake has only a few more goals this season in the NHL than I do.
November 27, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Well wasn’t that just a dramatic start– outshot 16-6 in the first period,
just another in a string of gutless performances by the Habs….did any player stand out in that period ?? other than a good job by Price, and a few good moves by Koivu, everyone else ??? Garbage !!!!
November 27, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Wish my French was better so I could watch in on RDS – can’t stand listening to Glen and gang
November 27, 2007 at 11:43 pm
how many games is it now they have pissed away in the dying seconds of a game ?
Koivu, sorry-but you have outstayed your welcome, you are paid to put the puck in the net, and you can no longer due that with any regularity, Sundin does you don’t…the facts speak for themselves, it’s time to move on.
Over all I’m not sure the Habs deserved 2 points for that effort–a totally
lousy first period, and even worse last minute of play, no way Leaf should
have received a point out of that mess.
November 28, 2007 at 2:35 am
Well that game summed up the word kayos for me,Lats did score one,lol;and the Zamboni incident,well I never seen that before !Kovalev,U are the man!I am worried at the prospect of playing Jersey,keep Price in net,GO HABS.
November 28, 2007 at 3:25 am
The Leafs didn’t play at all desperately–just looked like a normal game for them, and at home no less in spite of all the talk etc.
To get out-shot that badly against a team of Toronto’s caliber after having lost two in a row is not a good sign for the status quo. Don’t get me wrong, I think the Habs have the fundamentals of a good hockey team–good goalies, good defense, and a few forwards who can put the puck in the net (yes, they could use more scoring). But the problem here is under-performance; Latendresse played better tonight, but why are Smolinski and Ryder so scared of the corners? And why is Ryder more predictable than a good men’s league player? I’m sure they’ve told him to “simplify his game”, but surely that doesn’t entail snapshot after snapshot into shinpad after shinpad.
We’ve long known about Ryder’s defensive liabilities, and so without his scoring he’s simply a liability. And it may be telling that Koivu played so hard tonight after Ryder was taken off his line. Higgins is clearly hurt, but Koivu really seemed to pick up his effort tonight (minus the last shift).
Lastly, Markov can’t play so many critical situations without getting warn out at the end of the year. He’s unprotected and so the team’s are running him, and he’s doing way more than a sustainable amount for the team. It’s just a matter of time before exhaustion sets in or before he gets injured. Get a fighter, and a very scary one at that!
November 28, 2007 at 11:02 am
“Wish my French was better so I could watch in on RDS – can’t stand listening to Glen and gang”
I wish I had RDS, the only game that I could watch here in Buffalo was Calgary and Detroit. LOL
November 28, 2007 at 11:49 am
What a game, what better way to take advantage of a team that sucks in Shootouts then with a team that is one of the best in Shootouts. And Koveys 2 pp goals… WOW. Good game though, it was an awesome game to watch and probably alot better to be there.
November 28, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Gillette should buy the Tampabay Lightning and trade Vinny to Montreal>>>>>>
November 28, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Gillette should buy the Tampabay Lightning and trade Vinny to Montreal>>>>>>
I totally agree with that statement. That would be awesome to see Vinny in the red, white and blue!
November 28, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Well he will be an UFA next year we can always hope.
November 28, 2007 at 6:49 pm
I’m not sure where you guys are located, but I live in Alberta and I bought Starchoice for RDS–I pay less than cable, I get better channels, and this year they started offering RDS as a separate channel (for like 3$ a month) rather than part of the French package. So I get all the Habs games for next to no money, and I still pay less than I did for cable…
November 28, 2007 at 10:21 pm
does anyone know if RDS is available in Vanc area??
Groundworking–I like what you have to say, I gotta check this out, I had starchoice and dumped it..it was just pissing money down a gopher hole,
15 channels all having the same program on at once, and that was repeated
over and over, I dumped it…..
I don’t think Tampa will let Vinny get away easy, he might not yet have a
no-trade clause…could possibly be a trade target for the Habs, sure would be nice to see.. earlier in the season before he started playing so well, I was kind of hoping his game wouldn’t come around to help the trade thing, but now he is smoking..he is a player the Habs need, fans would love him.
November 29, 2007 at 11:49 am
Vinny would be unreal… and Tampa will not be able to afford come 09-10
Lecavalier, Vincent C 27 6.875 187 6.875 6.000, 7.167, 7.167 for 07-08, 7.167 for 08-09, UFA for 09-10
He’s a high paid player, which we could afford for 08-09 or 09-10… all we could offer would be a mix of Huet, Ryder, + draft picks to trade him for next season… but I still don’t think Vinny will be a commodity Tampa would release, Richards possibly as he is overpaid and underproducing for the $$$ he’s making
Vinny in Red, white, and blue would be a dream for our team
November 29, 2007 at 1:55 pm
I agree about the repeated channels, especially for those in the WEST (we don’t get to time shift as much as they do out East, because all the good shows are over in the EAST when prime time hits out here). But the only reason I got Starchoice was to be able to watch Habs games on RDS–last year I had to buy the whole bilingual package for like 13$ a month, but this year they stopped even selling the bilingual package online and started selling RDS separately instead–I suspect b/c people complained about having to get all the French channels in order to get RDS.
I have one or two steps up from the basic channels, which gives me the news channels (CNN etc.), some stuff for my daughter (Treenhouse), Discovery, A&E, Showcase, Bravo, the Sports channels, the networks (and all the Canadian nets from all regions of the country), a bunch of other channels, plus RDS. I pay less than 60$ a month, and in the summer I usually cancel everything and pay only 19$ a month.
November 29, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I get RDS here in ontario with BELL EXPREES VU very cheap aswell i think only a few bucks a month.Star choice did not carry RDS going back a few years ago atleast not in ontario east anyways.
November 29, 2007 at 4:33 pm
K guys lets beat NewJersey tomorrow and get right back on a hot streak! Ryder is now on pace for 34 pts! he has to go!!!!! I don’t know how It will be done,but he will have to go soon!
November 29, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Yeah Pactum. Starchoice didn’t carry RDS even last year as a separate channel. I had go get the bilingual package and then a specific French option I believe. But they may not have carried it all a few years back anywhere–I suspect it’s standard right across the country (with the exception that we can’t get some X-rated and Horror Movie channels out here, such as Leafs TV).
The Habs need to pick up their game. I take more heart from good efforts and a loss than poor efforts and a win. The Leafs game was better than the Buffalo games, but still not good enough for the playoffs. Ryder will break out of his slump, though I think he’d be better in the minors getting some of his confidence back–he’d score a couple of goals every night. The guy is a goal scorer and it must really suck to have lost that ability so far this year.
November 29, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Bell expressvu has rds hd, you get some other french channels as well, $5 a month, well worth it. Every game in hd.
November 29, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Price get’s the start Friday
November 29, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Guys….I speculated last week ( see sabres post) that Recchi might come back….speculation tonight is Recchi for Halak, to be done by friday.
Now I know he’s an older guy, but WHAT a presense he is in the room, and one thing you can say for him is he always gives it 110% and leaves it out there on the ice. I for one would love to see him back. I can certainly see a few spots on the roster where he’d fit in quite nicely.
November 29, 2007 at 8:31 pm
We could get recchi for a late pick no doubt or he might even be put on waivers in my opinion.Why on earth would gainey give up halak? Maybe if our GM’s name was john ferguson jr.
November 29, 2007 at 10:02 pm
I’d trade Halek for Recchi. Halek isn’t doing too well in the AHL, we already have Price, and the team may lose Halek anyway to dissatisfaction stemming from what he sees as a demotion this year. I have also heard that Recchi has said he expects to be traded this week, but this is the first I’ve heard of the Montreal rumor. Nice work digging that up!
November 29, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Are you speculating or reporting a rumor? If just speculation, then I’d probably disagree. I think he’ll go to Ottawa. If you are not speculating, then I’ll believe you, though. And if you’re speculating and turn out to be correct, then please speculate more!
November 29, 2007 at 10:08 pm
If you all go with the FTA satellite system; then you’ll see every Habs game. I have the FTA and I haven’t missed a Habs game all year.
November 29, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Just checked NHL stats machine. No deal! For God sake, we do not need an 8 point veteran on the team with so much youth fighting for a spot. I tend to forget that people get older, and that getting older starts to be a bad thing at a certain age.
November 29, 2007 at 10:48 pm
#3- HabsFan4life
I have not heard of the FTA system, is it avail everywhere?
I’d pay the bucks to catch all the Habs games.
Thanks
November 29, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Sorry..I meant post # 30 not 3
November 29, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Last week, I was speculating. Today I am following Pierre Maguire,Mr. Richardson of Spectors, and Eklund the idiot,so I guess I am reiterating rumors I have read…..
I’m only the messenger remember.
Its true Recchi has had a slow year. I guess the only thing I remember is how he played against the habs this year….dammit, what a pest I remember saying.I still think he would dig up more pucks than Ryder playing with Koivu and Higgy, and can certainly handle the puck better. If you look closely at those stats, you’ll see that he was not playing with the likes of Crosby or Malkin, or even staal ( spelling) for that matter. I’m sure ( and I know I’m the only one that feels this way)that he would generate some loose pucks with his speed ( still #3 skater on the pens with speed this year in team contests)as opposed to Ryder giving it away when he has lots of time to make a pass.I for one would take him for now, just for his room presense and dont think he would mess up chemistry, but rather would enhance it.
my two cents….
still say you’ll see him here, maybe even for the weekend against Nashville who ( god blessem ) beat Ottawa tonight ( 5 in a row)