Toronto’s Crumbling
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The Toronto Maple Leafs are imploding.
The Leafs have dropped to 14th in the Conference and there’s been rampant speculation that John Ferguson tried to fire Paul Maurice, a move he made no doubt trying to save himself.
What better time for the Habs to take advantage and get back into the win column?
Could a Habs win tonight be the one that sends John Ferguson Jr packing?
Ferguson is on his way out, sooner or later. The only thing to worry about is getting the two points against a vulnerable team and get back to winning.
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- muller93 : MB is forced to go out and get a big D-man. Missing Emelin for almost half the season is the last thing we needed to hear. Now going out and getting a big D-man is a MUST!!!
- muller93 : Now for the Fu**en Bruins who have no business even being in the second round are going to get a nice rest. Yes the same goons who took out one of best D-man for 6 more months. There is NO Fu**en justice. Just venting--Ok i feel better now.
- muller93 : So pissed to see the Rangers lay down and play like total crap. How did the Rangers beat the Caps? This team is playing with no heart--a must win and can only muster 23 shots...PATHETIC !!!
- muller93 : Senet I did see Galchenyuks goal--Made a great move for the game winner. You can see the kid has so much confidence.
- goalie : If Rangers get swept I wonder if Tortorella will get his walking papers? Or Glen Sather? They have tons of 'talent' but zero wins in this series.
- goalie : It's really too bad we lost to the Sens as we would have played the Rangers and the way NYR are playing we would have beat them too. If only. If only!
- Senet1 : Actually I agree it was a good move for them to play a shorter season and get the experience. He could not have played in the minors this year he would have had to play junior or the NHL. However, he now has a year under him and knows what to expect next year and hopefully take a bigger responsibility on the team. Did you see those two goals in the bronze game? Wow.
- muller93 : Good move by the Habs not having Galchenyuk play in the minors. Now Galchenyuk has 1 year in the NHL and playoff experience this is going to pay off big time come next year.
- Senet1 : Galchenyuk scores to back to back goals in shoot out to help USA win Bronze metal. I did not see the second goal but the first was a beauty.
- Senet1 : So we could pick anywhere from 25th to 23rd depending on who wins these quarter final series.
- Senet1 : First, is the 14 teams in the lottery. Then there are 12 teams that did not make the semi finals in the order of the seasonal finish, Then there are the four teams in the semi final the first two eliminated pick in the order of the regular season points total and the last two based on who wins and who loses the cup. So as it stand now if say Detroit beats Chicago then Detroit moves up to pick after us. Boston or NYR will move up and pick after us. LA or San Jose will move up and pick after us
- Senet1 : Basically, I was wrong about the draft pick situation. There are three groups of drafting teams within the 30 teams.
- Senet1 : seriously ready to challenge for the cup. He will us win games but he will not be the difference between winning the cup and not winning the cup. You pick up players like that once you have the team ready to challenge,.
- Senet1 : I am looking at the players to draft and there are a lot of big 6'3-6'5 forwards available ion the draft this year. If we could draft 3-4 big young players in the 2nd and 3rd round why would you want to give that up for a roster player who may have 2-3 years at best. If we are going to build a winner to have to build it with bigger players and there are a lot of good big players available this year. So you sign Ott and he is with us for the short run, but probably not when we are seriously re
- Senet1 : Boullion is a great mentor for the young D-men
- muller93 : Boullion is one of MBs great additions--Boull ion is a definite Keeper.
- muller93 : Getting rid of Kaberle frees up a lot of cash. Boullion is small but is reliable and doesn't back down from anyone.
- muller93 : Exactly Goalie any thoughts on a punishing D-man?
- goalie : They;re showing determination adn skill vs Ducks and Blackhawks.
- goalie : REd Wings could turn out to be the surprise team of this year's playoffs!
- goalie : WE need to rid our team of Kaberle and Webber. Step two would be to then move Diaz. If we get that big d-man I believe that would push Boullion to # 7 on the chart. We'd then go with Georges, PK,Markov (to continue mentoring Ememlin) Tinordi as our starting six . THEN I'd be excited about our chances. We could then work on getting bigger forwards.
- goalie : I too would gladly give up a 3rd round pick for Ott- the type of player we sadly lack. AND if we could get one more rugged, expeienced defenceman it would help immensely.
- muller93 : Senet what you are saying makes sense but if we can get Ott for a 3rd round I'll take that all day.
- muller93 : MB should be looking at a big D-man first, even though I like our blue line with the addition of Tinordi. We need that insurance just in case one gets injured. Also I'm a firm believer in starting with the goalie first then-defense-for wards-and we already have good goalie. We have all noticed when we have the lead Price is tough to beat.
- Senet1 : So sometimes you have to sacrifice for one year or two to build that team in the draft. then add the finishing touches through FA and trades.
- Senet1 : Muller, Detroit is another good example. They have been in the hunt every year with good well balanced teams yet only one or two cups to show for it. However, they have built a team that has a chance every years for the last 10+ years. That is what I think we have a chance to do this year with a good draft. It reminds me of the habs teams of the mid 80 and 90's we built a team then with sold draft picks and won the cup twice during that time period. So sometimes you have to sacrifice a one
- muller93 : Very true Senet, you do need luck and we haven't had any luck it seems since the habs moved to the Bell Center. We had an incredible run in 2010 with some crazy goal tending from Halak. With Galchenyuk-Tinor di-Gallagher all in 1 year--not too bad, even with an early exit in the playoffs.
- Senet1 : Muller I guess we all have our own ideas, but there has never been too many times that were successful when they traded their draft picks away. We have a chance to build this team so we have a shot at winning the cup over the next 10 years. Even as good as Pittsburgh has been they have only won the cup once since Crosby and Malkin have been with the team. That is because you not only need great players but you need luck to win, but one thing about Pittsburgh they have a chance every year. The
- muller93 : Good point on Torres, he might be a liability. Torres has to tone it down a bit, but that's his game-very aggressive.
- goalie : Though I don't condone what Raffi Torres did - thos shows you how repeat offenders or near offenders are going to be treated. His hit was NOT illegal BUT what the rap sheet adn reputation Torres has he got severly punished. Lesson to be learned by OTHER players because Torres dopesn't learn fromk his mistakes.
- muller93 : Senet normally I would agree with you on not trading draft picks but we are not in a rebuilding stage. Sometimes draft picks can be a roll of the dice and it can take up to 3 years to be NHL ready. We have a good team and I agree with Stuo players like Clowe-Torres-Ott -Scott will make a big difference. Somebody has to protect Gallagher, he can't keep getting hit the way does--we need a tough forward so they think twice before going after Gallagher.
- Senet1 : Really a heathly Habs team would probably win more games against the Pens that we did against the Sens. Reason they Pens would not play as physical against us as against the Sens. If we get good goaltending we win at least two games.
- zpezada4ok : hello all «link»
- stuo11 : hes a tougher big guy too! Just a minor adjustment but will help a bit
- stuo11 : hes better than markov, and hes french who was in mention for defenceman of the year
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November 27, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Guys,we have to win this one. I know that Toronto has their reasons too,but come on. No one really cares for the leafs lol.
November 27, 2007 at 4:31 pm
They maybe 14th but they can still beat the habs……
That’s the scary part……………
November 27, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Leafs 5, Habs 2. Toronto scores an empty net goal at the end.
Predictions are ridiculous, of course, but Toronto is going to be desperate and Montreal will probably be nonchalant like they have been for the past few games. If Toronto loses, then that’s the end of this team. If Montreal loses, Carbo will shake things up at the edges with a few demotions/promotions.
November 27, 2007 at 6:25 pm
I’ll tell you why I’m scared, it always seems that when every team in the league is beating the Leafs, our boys choke. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not my prediction. As long as we can score goals, we’ll be okay…I’m not worried about our defensive game tonight.
November 27, 2007 at 6:50 pm
There one in the front page that came up with a funny nick name for Guillaume latendresse.->GUY LATALENTLESS…looooooooooooooooooooooooooooll
November 27, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Hey: Jason Blake has more all star votes from “fans of the game” than Kovalev. Um. Jason Blake has only a few more goals this season in the NHL than I do.
November 27, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Well wasn’t that just a dramatic start– outshot 16-6 in the first period,
just another in a string of gutless performances by the Habs….did any player stand out in that period ?? other than a good job by Price, and a few good moves by Koivu, everyone else ??? Garbage !!!!
November 27, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Wish my French was better so I could watch in on RDS – can’t stand listening to Glen and gang
November 27, 2007 at 11:43 pm
how many games is it now they have pissed away in the dying seconds of a game ?
Koivu, sorry-but you have outstayed your welcome, you are paid to put the puck in the net, and you can no longer due that with any regularity, Sundin does you don’t…the facts speak for themselves, it’s time to move on.
Over all I’m not sure the Habs deserved 2 points for that effort–a totally
lousy first period, and even worse last minute of play, no way Leaf should
have received a point out of that mess.
November 28, 2007 at 2:35 am
Well that game summed up the word kayos for me,Lats did score one,lol;and the Zamboni incident,well I never seen that before !Kovalev,U are the man!I am worried at the prospect of playing Jersey,keep Price in net,GO HABS.
November 28, 2007 at 3:25 am
The Leafs didn’t play at all desperately–just looked like a normal game for them, and at home no less in spite of all the talk etc.
To get out-shot that badly against a team of Toronto’s caliber after having lost two in a row is not a good sign for the status quo. Don’t get me wrong, I think the Habs have the fundamentals of a good hockey team–good goalies, good defense, and a few forwards who can put the puck in the net (yes, they could use more scoring). But the problem here is under-performance; Latendresse played better tonight, but why are Smolinski and Ryder so scared of the corners? And why is Ryder more predictable than a good men’s league player? I’m sure they’ve told him to “simplify his game”, but surely that doesn’t entail snapshot after snapshot into shinpad after shinpad.
We’ve long known about Ryder’s defensive liabilities, and so without his scoring he’s simply a liability. And it may be telling that Koivu played so hard tonight after Ryder was taken off his line. Higgins is clearly hurt, but Koivu really seemed to pick up his effort tonight (minus the last shift).
Lastly, Markov can’t play so many critical situations without getting warn out at the end of the year. He’s unprotected and so the team’s are running him, and he’s doing way more than a sustainable amount for the team. It’s just a matter of time before exhaustion sets in or before he gets injured. Get a fighter, and a very scary one at that!
November 28, 2007 at 11:02 am
“Wish my French was better so I could watch in on RDS – can’t stand listening to Glen and gang”
I wish I had RDS, the only game that I could watch here in Buffalo was Calgary and Detroit. LOL
November 28, 2007 at 11:49 am
What a game, what better way to take advantage of a team that sucks in Shootouts then with a team that is one of the best in Shootouts. And Koveys 2 pp goals… WOW. Good game though, it was an awesome game to watch and probably alot better to be there.
November 28, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Gillette should buy the Tampabay Lightning and trade Vinny to Montreal>>>>>>
November 28, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Gillette should buy the Tampabay Lightning and trade Vinny to Montreal>>>>>>
I totally agree with that statement. That would be awesome to see Vinny in the red, white and blue!
November 28, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Well he will be an UFA next year we can always hope.
November 28, 2007 at 6:49 pm
I’m not sure where you guys are located, but I live in Alberta and I bought Starchoice for RDS–I pay less than cable, I get better channels, and this year they started offering RDS as a separate channel (for like 3$ a month) rather than part of the French package. So I get all the Habs games for next to no money, and I still pay less than I did for cable…
November 28, 2007 at 10:21 pm
does anyone know if RDS is available in Vanc area??
Groundworking–I like what you have to say, I gotta check this out, I had starchoice and dumped it..it was just pissing money down a gopher hole,
15 channels all having the same program on at once, and that was repeated
over and over, I dumped it…..
I don’t think Tampa will let Vinny get away easy, he might not yet have a
no-trade clause…could possibly be a trade target for the Habs, sure would be nice to see.. earlier in the season before he started playing so well, I was kind of hoping his game wouldn’t come around to help the trade thing, but now he is smoking..he is a player the Habs need, fans would love him.
November 29, 2007 at 11:49 am
Vinny would be unreal… and Tampa will not be able to afford come 09-10
Lecavalier, Vincent C 27 6.875 187 6.875 6.000, 7.167, 7.167 for 07-08, 7.167 for 08-09, UFA for 09-10
He’s a high paid player, which we could afford for 08-09 or 09-10… all we could offer would be a mix of Huet, Ryder, + draft picks to trade him for next season… but I still don’t think Vinny will be a commodity Tampa would release, Richards possibly as he is overpaid and underproducing for the $$$ he’s making
Vinny in Red, white, and blue would be a dream for our team
November 29, 2007 at 1:55 pm
I agree about the repeated channels, especially for those in the WEST (we don’t get to time shift as much as they do out East, because all the good shows are over in the EAST when prime time hits out here). But the only reason I got Starchoice was to be able to watch Habs games on RDS–last year I had to buy the whole bilingual package for like 13$ a month, but this year they stopped even selling the bilingual package online and started selling RDS separately instead–I suspect b/c people complained about having to get all the French channels in order to get RDS.
I have one or two steps up from the basic channels, which gives me the news channels (CNN etc.), some stuff for my daughter (Treenhouse), Discovery, A&E, Showcase, Bravo, the Sports channels, the networks (and all the Canadian nets from all regions of the country), a bunch of other channels, plus RDS. I pay less than 60$ a month, and in the summer I usually cancel everything and pay only 19$ a month.
November 29, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I get RDS here in ontario with BELL EXPREES VU very cheap aswell i think only a few bucks a month.Star choice did not carry RDS going back a few years ago atleast not in ontario east anyways.
November 29, 2007 at 4:33 pm
K guys lets beat NewJersey tomorrow and get right back on a hot streak! Ryder is now on pace for 34 pts! he has to go!!!!! I don’t know how It will be done,but he will have to go soon!
November 29, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Yeah Pactum. Starchoice didn’t carry RDS even last year as a separate channel. I had go get the bilingual package and then a specific French option I believe. But they may not have carried it all a few years back anywhere–I suspect it’s standard right across the country (with the exception that we can’t get some X-rated and Horror Movie channels out here, such as Leafs TV).
The Habs need to pick up their game. I take more heart from good efforts and a loss than poor efforts and a win. The Leafs game was better than the Buffalo games, but still not good enough for the playoffs. Ryder will break out of his slump, though I think he’d be better in the minors getting some of his confidence back–he’d score a couple of goals every night. The guy is a goal scorer and it must really suck to have lost that ability so far this year.
November 29, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Bell expressvu has rds hd, you get some other french channels as well, $5 a month, well worth it. Every game in hd.
November 29, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Price get’s the start Friday
November 29, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Guys….I speculated last week ( see sabres post) that Recchi might come back….speculation tonight is Recchi for Halak, to be done by friday.
Now I know he’s an older guy, but WHAT a presense he is in the room, and one thing you can say for him is he always gives it 110% and leaves it out there on the ice. I for one would love to see him back. I can certainly see a few spots on the roster where he’d fit in quite nicely.
November 29, 2007 at 8:31 pm
We could get recchi for a late pick no doubt or he might even be put on waivers in my opinion.Why on earth would gainey give up halak? Maybe if our GM’s name was john ferguson jr.
November 29, 2007 at 10:02 pm
I’d trade Halek for Recchi. Halek isn’t doing too well in the AHL, we already have Price, and the team may lose Halek anyway to dissatisfaction stemming from what he sees as a demotion this year. I have also heard that Recchi has said he expects to be traded this week, but this is the first I’ve heard of the Montreal rumor. Nice work digging that up!
November 29, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Are you speculating or reporting a rumor? If just speculation, then I’d probably disagree. I think he’ll go to Ottawa. If you are not speculating, then I’ll believe you, though. And if you’re speculating and turn out to be correct, then please speculate more!
November 29, 2007 at 10:08 pm
If you all go with the FTA satellite system; then you’ll see every Habs game. I have the FTA and I haven’t missed a Habs game all year.
November 29, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Just checked NHL stats machine. No deal! For God sake, we do not need an 8 point veteran on the team with so much youth fighting for a spot. I tend to forget that people get older, and that getting older starts to be a bad thing at a certain age.
November 29, 2007 at 10:48 pm
#3- HabsFan4life
I have not heard of the FTA system, is it avail everywhere?
I’d pay the bucks to catch all the Habs games.
Thanks
November 29, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Sorry..I meant post # 30 not 3
November 29, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Last week, I was speculating. Today I am following Pierre Maguire,Mr. Richardson of Spectors, and Eklund the idiot,so I guess I am reiterating rumors I have read…..
I’m only the messenger remember.
Its true Recchi has had a slow year. I guess the only thing I remember is how he played against the habs this year….dammit, what a pest I remember saying.I still think he would dig up more pucks than Ryder playing with Koivu and Higgy, and can certainly handle the puck better. If you look closely at those stats, you’ll see that he was not playing with the likes of Crosby or Malkin, or even staal ( spelling) for that matter. I’m sure ( and I know I’m the only one that feels this way)that he would generate some loose pucks with his speed ( still #3 skater on the pens with speed this year in team contests)as opposed to Ryder giving it away when he has lots of time to make a pass.I for one would take him for now, just for his room presense and dont think he would mess up chemistry, but rather would enhance it.
my two cents….
still say you’ll see him here, maybe even for the weekend against Nashville who ( god blessem ) beat Ottawa tonight ( 5 in a row)