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Vinny a Hab?

  1. #1 groundworking says:
    January 14, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I think the chances are very good. I heard on TFP radio today that this is the strongest trade rumor, coming from so many different places, that they’ve heard.

    IF it does happen, though, we won’t be thinking afterward: “WOW! What a steal!” We’ll have to give up good players, our best prospects, and our best draft picks to get him.

    But I agree with those on the forum who say that the Habs need something to get out of the East.

  2. #2 Senet1 says:
    January 14, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Anytime to can get an impact player you have to do what it necessary to get him. Tampa Bay need a roster player or two but they really need to build from the ground up again. They have some good tools already in the organization and with a few draft choices they could build a contending team that they could curtainly afford. Personally, I do not think they can afford to keep Vinny and don’t be surprised if St.Louis is gone too.

  3. #3 Senet1 says:
    January 14, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    I hate to give up Plex, and to be truthful I would rather give up Koivu but I am sure TB would not want him because of his age and status. The one thing we do not want to give up are the two best defenceman we have in the minors, just in case we cannot sign or keep our best defenceman. Hope Bob makes the deal.

  4. Apparently, Montreal have made a “firm” offer for Vinnie. Guessing that means TB will ask for a little more and Bob will say no. Hard to say if that would be good or bad. I’m right on the fence with this one guys.

  5. #5 Mats Naslund says:
    January 15, 2009 at 12:09 am

    PLex is a great player but Lecavalier is an incredible upgrade at that position. Higgins doesn’t even really have a spot if we want to keep either D’Agostini or Max Pac up. Subban had a great tournament but I can name you scores of guys who have had a great WJC and have gone on to do nothing in the NHL. Its still junior hockey. Sergei Kostitsyn had 91 assists in his last year of Junior.. He is a good player, but the pros are different and PK needs a LOT of work on his D. While I certainly wouldn’t want to trade the future for one shot, you only need look down the road to Ottawa for what happens if you keep waiting for that next year and don’t win when you have the chance. Lecavalier would make us an instant contender. I think Bob has to do what he can to make this deal a reality. I just hope he can keep Gorges, as our defense gets somewhat weak after him on the depth chart.

  6. #6 Habs 4 life says:
    January 15, 2009 at 11:06 am

    It’s the most exciting news we’ve had in a while but I just don’t see it happening, despite what the “experts” at TSN are saying, I just don’t see the Habs giving up D for this trade, especially when we’re scoring a ton lately. I think it would be a mistake to give up Gorges.

  7. #7 Donnie says:
    January 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Apparently, the latest is that TB wants Markov as part of the deal. I’ll keep my comment to myself on this one…but whatta you guys think?

  8. #8 Zerntz says:
    January 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    This sort of thing comes up every year. Bob Gainey is shrewd and tight about not selling out the team. I would like the deal to happen, because it just seems that against Boston, we need a serious game-breaker to match up with their depth right now. Still, without the lame penalties and Price back in net we could have burst their bubble, and make no mistake, the bubble WILL burst very soon for the Bruins.

  9. #9 Mats Naslund says:
    January 15, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think Gainey moves Markov. It doesn’t even really make sense for Tampa in that Markov is already 30 years old and makes just under 6 million per season. If getting younger and cheaper is their goal (the only conceivable reason to get rid of the face of their franchise) I don’t see why they would trade for an expensive (even though he’s worth it) and soon to be aging player. Why ask for Markov at 5.75 mill per season when you could have Gorges at 1.1? While nothing in TB surprises me anymore, this new addition would be a head-scratcher. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of trading Gorges either.. but I don’t see the benefit of Markov to Tampa’s rebuilding process.

    One thought that I do have is : IF Tampa is asking for Markov, it could be a way to ensure the deal falls through in order to save face in the media. If talks break down, Tampa ownership could turn to their fan base and tell them that they were never seriously shopping Lecavalier. If Gainey does have a list of players he’s not willing to trade, you have to believe that Komisarek and Markov are at the top or near the top of the list.

  10. #10 Mats Naslund says:
    January 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    I’ve been looking at the Cap situation for the Canadiens as far as this trade goes (in terms of contracts for this year). It seems to me that since Lecavalier makes almost 7 this year and 7.72 (cap hit)for the next decade, a deal with TB would almost have to include approx 6 million in salary to fit our cap. I’m no expert by any stretch, but..

    The proposed deal of: Plekanec, Higgins, Groges, Subban, Draft picks = 4.5 million in salary which is too little given that we only have just over 1 million in cap space. We would have to give up another roster player in order to match dollars. No matter where that roster player comes from we’ll be effecting our depth.

    This is why I think that any deal for Lecavalier is going to have to include at least one of the following players: Markov, Kamrlik, Tanguay, Koivu, Kovalev, Lang, and Andrei Kostitsyn. If I’m Tampa(unless you want to take on an expiring contract to free up space for next season), there are only two names on that list that I’m interested in: Markov or Kostitsyn.

    This is what makes me nervous about the Lecavalier deal. I would love to see him come to Montreal, but I can’t see a deal in which Montreal doesn’t lose one a high impact player at another position. I have heard rumors that Lang may be a part of a deal in which case Lang, Higgins and another roster player could make up the salary, but I don’t think this is realistic unless Tampa is trying to shed all of the contract space for next season.

  11. #12 Donnie says:
    January 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    I don’t think Markov is going anywhere…like Al Stratkin said last night about this…..Montreal have already let Souray and Streit go, we let Markov go also for Vinnie and we’re gonna start having the same troubles as Ottawa, power up front and nothing in the back. Personally, I think this deal is not going through for many reasons…this being one.

  12. #13 Senet1 says:
    January 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    You cannot give up your strength if you plan to be a serious contenter for the cup this year. That is why any of our impact players cannot be included in this deal. What is the point of upgrading at one position and downgrade at another position.

    Correct me if I am wrong but since the season is half over, the cap space actually doubles for the rest of this year. Then next year we will have to adjust to the new cap.

  13. I’m really on the fence with this one. It would be awesome to have a legitimate superstar forward in Montreal for the first time in decades, but the price is awfully steep, and would really hurt the club’s depth.

  14. #15 Joseph says:
    January 16, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    The Habs need a Lecavalier, regardless of the price. It’s been the missing ingredient.

    It would be something though if Gainey could pull a Craig Patrick to land Lecavalier. I think that that was a special talent however, and one which eludes Gainey.

  15. #16 Senet1 says:
    January 16, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Joseph, I do not think it would elude Gainey I just think there are not that many stupid GM’s out there that would make that deal. Especially with the cap the way it is, it is difficult to make a trade even if you want to because of the cap.

  16. #17 Groundworking says:
    January 16, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Markov for Vinny in a one-to-one trade, let alone with all the other draft picks that Tampa is asking for. Markov is a top 5, if not top 3, defenceman.

    Tampa has a chance with Vinny to unload salary, build for the future (like Boston), and get a couple of solid support players who are paid a reasonable salary.

    5.5 million for Markov, 10 million for Vinny. C’mon, it’s not even close.

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