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- Senet1 : It will be interesting to see how Sutter does because to me the Oilers are not his kind of team, but then again neither were the Flames.
- goalie : I don't know when they'll announce it but the Oilers will be signing Sutter (Flames ex-coach) to coach their team - that's why Kevin Lowe chose him to coach in the World's. That was the world's worst kept secret.
- Senet1 : I guess I wish we could get it done so all the speculating was over and we can get to building out team.
- goalie : I can't type.... what a faux pas on my behalf...
- goalie : I just realized what I said adn didn't say yesterday. What a fayx as on my behalf. Regarding coaching Randy Cunnyworth MUSDT stay as an assistant- he deserves at least that after the tremendous job he did in the latter part of this past season. I'd still mlike to have Robinson, Carbo adn Allard on the staff also.
- Avatar37 : I agree Senet, my choice if we can't have Cunneyworth would be Crawford, Robinson on defense, Cunneyworth for offense, and Carbo as offense/faceoffs .
- Senet1 : I think if I had my choice it would be Crawford and see if he could get Carbo and Robinson as assistants. That would be my idea coaching team.
- goalie : I witnesed Marc Crawford MANY times when the Avs, etc. played against Oilers and let me tell you - he is constantly on the referees asses virtually game after game. He is the complete OPPOSITE of J. Martin. Crawford is calm on TSN but he is one excited coach behind the bench. A friend of mine who was an NHL linesman for 26 years said they dreaded Crawford he was so tough on the officials!
- goalie : You know, I've bee thinking about the coaching situation. I'd be really excited if the Habs had Hartley as head coach and Carbo adn Robinson as his assistants. I also read it somewhere about a month ago that Toronto's goalie coach Allard (?) wants to relocate back to Montreal where he has his goaltending school/business. Add him to the mix and I'd say the Habs would be in great shape coaching wise.
- Avatar37 : Well, from what I recall, Hartley didn't do all that well with the Thrashers. But, I don't know enough about him to judge one way or the other. Crawford I do know, and he always seemed to be a good, level headed coach to me.
- Senet1 : even Pacioretty two years ago did not impress any of us. Younger players have to play and make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If they sit in the press box they are learning nothing.
- Senet1 : Of course if he have some good assistants like a Larry Robinson to teach the young defence and someone like Carbo to teach faceoffs etc. then your coach does not have to be as good at teaching. If Hartley fits the bill you get no argument from me. My only previous point is that if he is impatient with your younger players to the point that he does not play them, then we are right back where we were with Martin. Martin was a good coach too, but how he handled Emelin, PK and even Pacioretty two
- goalie : I would like to see the Habs sign a coach who realizes that our team isn't tough enough (we need to get bigger and somewhat more nastier),the coach needs t be a great TEACHER and be a coach who can get the players to understand and buy into his system. Other than that I couldn't care what lingo he speaks. I wnat to see our team become a ligitimate contender fast!
- HabsLoseAgain : Well we dont know if he is or is not a teaching coach. I woukd just hate to paint Hartley something that he is not. There will always be questions but if Hartley was hired as the habs new bench boss i for one would not be overly upset.
- Senet1 : My thoughts are not that he is or is not a good coach but rather that when he won the cup he had an experience team of superstars on that team. Where as we have a group of young inexperienced players, is he a teaching coach or a tactical coach or both? I am not question whether he is a good coach, but my question therefore is he the coach for us at this point in the deveopment of our team?? Not sure we are all purely speculating at the moment?
- Senet1 : Something happened to my first post. I will try again.
- Senet1 : That is why I said I am not sure he is the coach for us at this time? Right now we are all speculating including yourself, because non of us know for sure?
- HabsLoseAgain : Crawford also won a cup with Patrick Roy so would you say he is a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best goaltenders of alltime?
- HabsLoseAgain : Senrt so please give me some reasons why you think Hartley is not the coach the habs need right now. What is it that you do not like about him or his coaching style?
- HabsLoseAgain : Well all great coaches had great players playing for them so i guess you you add a a pile of other coaches to that list including Bowan......
- Senet1 : Hartley, was he a good coach or did he just have great players and one of the best altime goaltenders of all time. I am not sure that he is the type of coach that this organization needs right now. Unless of course we sign a ton of free agents.
- Avatar37 : However, my feelings may completely be wrong, Hartley may turn out to be a good fit.
- Avatar37 : I didn't say Hartley was unknown, I said we demoted a good coach in Cunneyworth and now have an unknown quantity because we don't have a coach. I don't have that great a feeling about Hartley, I'd be much more comfortable with Crawford.
- HabsLoseAgain : In my opinion i think he might be a good fit in montreal. Oh and he also likes to have a tough team.
- HabsLoseAgain : Also this year he coached the ZSC Lions to the swiss championship title.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol the so called "unknown" won a cup in 2000-2001 with the colarado avalanch.
- HabsLoseAgain : lol Bob Hartley is not an unknown lol.....sheesh.
- Senet1 : I think he has until the trading deadline to show us that he deserves to be on this team. If he does not get back on track then he could be simply a 2nd round draft pick to whoever we can trade him to.
- Avatar37 : Bourque reminds me of Pouliot, size, skill, and invisible. He needs to get back to playing a physical game and bang people around and maybe he'll start getting some of those garbage goals again. Need to get to the front of the net. I hope he can find his game again.
- Avatar37 : We had a good coach in Randy Cunneyworth. Now we have an unknown, with Bob Hartley rumoured to be the front runner. I'd rather have Cunneyworth.
- goalie : A player like Rene Bourwue has al the physical attributes of what would be a beter than average player. Hwever, he certainly didn't play that well especially after being in Montreal about three weeks. We NEED players like Rene to play hard AND produce points on a REGULAR BASIS in order for us to be competitive.
- Senet1 : MONTREAL – Rene Bourque had a rocky start to his career as a Hab, but he’s planning on using the next four years to make up for it. After arriving in Montreal under less-than-ideal circumstances in January, Bourque spent the following 38 games hoping to find the spark he needed to rekindle his offensive production. Despite flanking Tomas Plekanec on the team’s second line to close out the season, the 30-year-old sniper suddenly found himself firing blanks in his new NHL home.
- Senet1 : I think we have to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Let's get a strong management team in place, make a good choices in the draft get a good coach and then see what we need at the free agent market. I will not be too disapointed if we miss the playoffs again next year if it means a long term team success. We have the opportunity to make some major strides over the next two years at the draft table. Then we fill in the holes.
- goalie : I certainly agree that we need to get some impact forwards who will sign for 5 years, not for a season then walk away. That's not going to help us.
- goalie : I wouldn't trade PK for Ovetchkin no matter what. He is a coach's NIGHTMARE and a poor team player.
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January 14, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I think the chances are very good. I heard on TFP radio today that this is the strongest trade rumor, coming from so many different places, that they’ve heard.
IF it does happen, though, we won’t be thinking afterward: “WOW! What a steal!” We’ll have to give up good players, our best prospects, and our best draft picks to get him.
But I agree with those on the forum who say that the Habs need something to get out of the East.
January 14, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Anytime to can get an impact player you have to do what it necessary to get him. Tampa Bay need a roster player or two but they really need to build from the ground up again. They have some good tools already in the organization and with a few draft choices they could build a contending team that they could curtainly afford. Personally, I do not think they can afford to keep Vinny and don’t be surprised if St.Louis is gone too.
January 14, 2009 at 7:50 pm
I hate to give up Plex, and to be truthful I would rather give up Koivu but I am sure TB would not want him because of his age and status. The one thing we do not want to give up are the two best defenceman we have in the minors, just in case we cannot sign or keep our best defenceman. Hope Bob makes the deal.
January 15, 2009 at 12:01 am
Apparently, Montreal have made a “firm” offer for Vinnie. Guessing that means TB will ask for a little more and Bob will say no. Hard to say if that would be good or bad. I’m right on the fence with this one guys.
January 15, 2009 at 12:09 am
PLex is a great player but Lecavalier is an incredible upgrade at that position. Higgins doesn’t even really have a spot if we want to keep either D’Agostini or Max Pac up. Subban had a great tournament but I can name you scores of guys who have had a great WJC and have gone on to do nothing in the NHL. Its still junior hockey. Sergei Kostitsyn had 91 assists in his last year of Junior.. He is a good player, but the pros are different and PK needs a LOT of work on his D. While I certainly wouldn’t want to trade the future for one shot, you only need look down the road to Ottawa for what happens if you keep waiting for that next year and don’t win when you have the chance. Lecavalier would make us an instant contender. I think Bob has to do what he can to make this deal a reality. I just hope he can keep Gorges, as our defense gets somewhat weak after him on the depth chart.
January 15, 2009 at 11:06 am
It’s the most exciting news we’ve had in a while but I just don’t see it happening, despite what the “experts” at TSN are saying, I just don’t see the Habs giving up D for this trade, especially when we’re scoring a ton lately. I think it would be a mistake to give up Gorges.
January 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Apparently, the latest is that TB wants Markov as part of the deal. I’ll keep my comment to myself on this one…but whatta you guys think?
January 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm
This sort of thing comes up every year. Bob Gainey is shrewd and tight about not selling out the team. I would like the deal to happen, because it just seems that against Boston, we need a serious game-breaker to match up with their depth right now. Still, without the lame penalties and Price back in net we could have burst their bubble, and make no mistake, the bubble WILL burst very soon for the Bruins.
January 15, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Gainey moves Markov. It doesn’t even really make sense for Tampa in that Markov is already 30 years old and makes just under 6 million per season. If getting younger and cheaper is their goal (the only conceivable reason to get rid of the face of their franchise) I don’t see why they would trade for an expensive (even though he’s worth it) and soon to be aging player. Why ask for Markov at 5.75 mill per season when you could have Gorges at 1.1? While nothing in TB surprises me anymore, this new addition would be a head-scratcher. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of trading Gorges either.. but I don’t see the benefit of Markov to Tampa’s rebuilding process.
One thought that I do have is : IF Tampa is asking for Markov, it could be a way to ensure the deal falls through in order to save face in the media. If talks break down, Tampa ownership could turn to their fan base and tell them that they were never seriously shopping Lecavalier. If Gainey does have a list of players he’s not willing to trade, you have to believe that Komisarek and Markov are at the top or near the top of the list.
January 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I’ve been looking at the Cap situation for the Canadiens as far as this trade goes (in terms of contracts for this year). It seems to me that since Lecavalier makes almost 7 this year and 7.72 (cap hit)for the next decade, a deal with TB would almost have to include approx 6 million in salary to fit our cap. I’m no expert by any stretch, but..
The proposed deal of: Plekanec, Higgins, Groges, Subban, Draft picks = 4.5 million in salary which is too little given that we only have just over 1 million in cap space. We would have to give up another roster player in order to match dollars. No matter where that roster player comes from we’ll be effecting our depth.
This is why I think that any deal for Lecavalier is going to have to include at least one of the following players: Markov, Kamrlik, Tanguay, Koivu, Kovalev, Lang, and Andrei Kostitsyn. If I’m Tampa(unless you want to take on an expiring contract to free up space for next season), there are only two names on that list that I’m interested in: Markov or Kostitsyn.
This is what makes me nervous about the Lecavalier deal. I would love to see him come to Montreal, but I can’t see a deal in which Montreal doesn’t lose one a high impact player at another position. I have heard rumors that Lang may be a part of a deal in which case Lang, Higgins and another roster player could make up the salary, but I don’t think this is realistic unless Tampa is trying to shed all of the contract space for next season.
January 15, 2009 at 3:47 pm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jim_kelley/01/15/lightning.lecavalier/index.html?eref=sircrc
I hope Gainey takes this approach to negotiations.
January 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I don’t think Markov is going anywhere…like Al Stratkin said last night about this…..Montreal have already let Souray and Streit go, we let Markov go also for Vinnie and we’re gonna start having the same troubles as Ottawa, power up front and nothing in the back. Personally, I think this deal is not going through for many reasons…this being one.
January 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm
You cannot give up your strength if you plan to be a serious contenter for the cup this year. That is why any of our impact players cannot be included in this deal. What is the point of upgrading at one position and downgrade at another position.
Correct me if I am wrong but since the season is half over, the cap space actually doubles for the rest of this year. Then next year we will have to adjust to the new cap.
January 15, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I’m really on the fence with this one. It would be awesome to have a legitimate superstar forward in Montreal for the first time in decades, but the price is awfully steep, and would really hurt the club’s depth.
January 16, 2009 at 5:08 pm
The Habs need a Lecavalier, regardless of the price. It’s been the missing ingredient.
It would be something though if Gainey could pull a Craig Patrick to land Lecavalier. I think that that was a special talent however, and one which eludes Gainey.
January 16, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Joseph, I do not think it would elude Gainey I just think there are not that many stupid GM’s out there that would make that deal. Especially with the cap the way it is, it is difficult to make a trade even if you want to because of the cap.
January 16, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I wouldn’t trade Markov for Vinny in a one-to-one trade, let alone with all the other draft picks that Tampa is asking for. Markov is a top 5, if not top 3, defenceman.
Tampa has a chance with Vinny to unload salary, build for the future (like Boston), and get a couple of solid support players who are paid a reasonable salary.
5.5 million for Markov, 10 million for Vinny. C’mon, it’s not even close.